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I want my Flex Mentallo!

 
  

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Krug
04:02 / 16.04.04
Everytime I see this thread my heart wails

"I WANT MY FLEX MENTALLO!"

Well the same thing happens when I see a Doom Patrol thread.
 
 
scratch_uk
10:45 / 16.04.04
Flex + Scanner + Fileshare = Happiness for many. I dont want the comics, I just want to ingest the story. Obviously not biologicaly though.
 
 
Andrew Hein
23:54 / 18.04.04
Not to flog a long dead horse I just wanted to add a little bit of news.
I asked Bob Wayne from DC about this during the Texas Wizard World a couple of months ago. He said they have no plans to ever republish this stuff. Why? They're afraid of the lawsuit coming back again, and they just don't want to waste there time on it.
 
 
■
18:56 / 19.04.04
Can I also point out that on the cover of every issue it says very clearly NO REPRINT. I really can't ever see this coming back, guys. Shame, as after a quick re-read it's even clearer on GM's supercontext philosophy than the Invisi.
Shame.
Now, if it's been made really clear that there is to be no reprint (ie. ON THE COVER OF EVERY ISSUE) then there is a clear indication that this will never be reprinted. If that is the case, then surely there can be no loss of income to any of the parties involved in the copyright if it is copied by whomever the hell wants to.
Just a thought. The same should really go for a series in which the first letters page gave explicit instructions to destroy the product.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:24 / 19.04.04
Er...

"No reprint" = "All-new material."

And it's only on the covers of #1 and #2, by the way.
 
 
sleazenation
20:28 / 19.04.04
If memory serves, the last time there was a link to scaned pages from Flex Mentallo on this site, Kirsten emailed politely asking the links to be removed, stating that Grant hadn't given up on Flex Mentallo being collected.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:33 / 19.04.04
sleaze> That's this very thread. Tom's post, six down on this page.
 
 
NezZ the 2nd
20:40 / 19.04.04
Fuck DC and fuck Charles Atlas. I went on a file sharing programme, and had all 4 issues in ten minutes.

Boo, hiss I hear, well I stopped paying more than a fiver for comics ages ago, and I am reluctant to spend more than £15 on a tpb. So there is no way I am gonna buy the single issues.

But I do own over 300 tpbs and thousands of comics, so it is not like I am hurting anyone's wallets (except my own :P)

I would buy it straight away if it was re-released as a tpb. It is a great story, and I will not labour how stupid the whole situation is, because everyone knows.

What would be good, was if there was some way to vote, to create a statistic of people willing to buy it, so then DC can go "hmmm, so X thousand people are willing to buy this, maybe we will make a profit"
 
 
sleazenation
20:50 / 19.04.04
Lull -

That's all very well but the issue isn't that Flex Mentallo wouldn't make a profit, its that it would leave DC open to potential legal action from the estate of Charles Atlas and while the odds remain good that DC would win again, that result is by no means certain and DC as a small division of the far larger media conglomerate that is Time Warner see it as a virtue to get themselves into any potentially messy and costly legal battles that may prompt those higher-up in time warner from reassessing the very structre of DC itself...
 
 
■
21:42 / 19.04.04
OK, just checked, and Randy's right, it's just the first two. Still, I say that there has never been any intent to reprint. Added to that is the legal grief that doing so would entail. This will never be reprinted. No-one will ever benefit financially from Flex _ever_ again.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:47 / 19.04.04
It just struck me, what with all the Flexcitement on this thread and the interest in the online annotations. I wrote a pretty substantial academic paper in 2000 on Flex Mentallo for a conference in Brisbane. I think it's finally going into a book in the near future.

Anyway, as this thing's been sitting on my hard drive in publication limbo for so long, I'd be glad to send it to anyone who wanted to read it. I won't be offended if I get no reply, but it just crossed my mind -- it's one of those scholarly articles written by a fan and someone here might get something out of it.

SO feel free to message me if you want it. And while I'm here... if there's any place on Barbelith for publishing that kind of thing (I'm 3 days new on here) I'd also be happy to have it up in some corner on this site. Pertinent to the above discussion, as a fairly-extensively published author myself (of pop cultch academia) I would far rather have people read my stuff than have it just stuck on my PC.
 
 
sleazenation
22:06 / 19.04.04
Cube - it would appear that the author of Flex Mentallo/his webmistress would disagree with you. Perhaps you might want to put your case to them?
 
 
■
18:34 / 20.04.04
I'd love it to be true, and I'm sure all involved would genuinely like to see it come off, but I'll only believe it when I see a copy hit the shelf and not a moment before.
 
 
NezZ the 2nd
18:39 / 20.04.04
What I was implying was that DC would still make a profit AND be able to sort out the legal issues with Charles Atlas. Surely they could just mark up a trade by a few dollars, and give those to charles atlas and co. I mean it's not like Charles Atlas has made much money through his "send off for some crap and get muscles" since the sixties (a guess ) so I am sure they should be more than happy for the money.

I might buy out the remaining wondermuscle-atlas stuff and hulk out and go stomp their asses. Just a thought.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:18 / 20.04.04
>> I'm sure all involved would genuinely like to see it come off, but I'll only believe it when I see a copy hit the shelf and not a moment before.

All together now: Clap your hands if you believe in fairies and believe that the Flex Mentallo DC/Vertigo paperback will eventually see the light of day (and the shelves)!!! I do believe, I do I do I do!!!

It can happen if we believe hard enough, folks...isn't that the Grant Morrison way?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:22 / 20.04.04
Shoulda bought it when it came out. S'yer own fault suckers... heh heh heh.
 
 
superdonkey
00:25 / 21.04.04
flex is easily available via bittorrent and other programs.. I recently got the whole thing and re-read it for the first time since it came out. It is of course really really great.
 
 
Baz Auckland
05:56 / 23.04.04
As mentioned above...

Download DC++, follow the advice in this post, and voila! Flex is yours!
 
 
Spaniel
09:10 / 23.04.04
Yeah, run and get the crappy e-version, kids. Heh, heh.
 
 
advancedplastics
15:54 / 23.04.04
i was reading through this thread, and i'm surprised at Grant/Kristan's response to the sharing of Flex Mentallo via the internet. i understand that its a strange time for the distribution of art, for the industry and the artist, with the advent of easy file transfers, p2p networks, etc. (we all know the story: napster, RIAA, dvd, etc.) but i would hope that of all people, GM would be able to to say 'fuck it' and embrace the change.

before i say anything else, let me state that i've been buying GM products for a long time. almost 15 years now. i have most of his work, and i've always urged others, even non-comic ppl, to get his stuff. i am all for Grant getting lots of money, fame, respect. i owe at least that to him for the stories.

having said that, i believe that the current structure we have for the distribution of art is becoming obsolete, as is our understanding of it that process, and maybe our relationship to art.

metallica got pissed off cuz billions of ppls were trading around their songs. i downloaded their songs. i also have them all on cassette tapes that hardly work anymore. even if i hadn't, i'd have known the majority of their songs through the radio, or MTV, or hearing other play it, etc. my point is that its already out there, in culture, and i've already downloaded it (shite, tho the quality may be) into my personal memory. 'justice for all' is no longer james hetfield's property, intellectual or otherwise. he gave it, through both grace and duty, to us. once the memes are out there, you can't take them back, you can't keep a tag on each of them, charge fees on them.

trust me, i realize that artists need to survive, and they deserve our support. but i think that its come time that everyone needs to reassess their position in the creation/distribution/consumption of art and culture.

maybe i've been wrong about all this, but i think this is what Grant has taught me.

Flex Mentallo is a great comic book. i'm not the first to say that it could change your life. i say 'fuck it'. if you want Flex Mentallo, download it. make high quality prints, and GIVE them away. the e-versions kinda suck. the most rewarding thing to do, of course, is just look for the originals. it gives me great pleasure to look through the bargain boxes, and i've been lucky too many times to list. maybe you will too.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:54 / 03.05.04
Grant can't say fuck it, especially about work for hire on characters he doesn't own. We've had situations where people on web-boards have been unguarded in their criticism of other creative people and it's rebounded on their ability to get work, go look through the last few years of All The Rage and Lying in the Gutters for examples. If Grant were to openly advocate that we steal this work from the net and DC were to find out, they might wonder why they should give work to him if he's going to suggest to people that they steal it from DC without paying.

However, he might not be so concerned if there was no chance that the stuff might be professionally reprinted some time in the next few years.
 
 
bjacques
13:08 / 03.05.04
I'm *still* looking for someone with a spare #2 & #3 to trade for my spare #1 & #4. Anyone?
 
 
THX-1138
21:47 / 07.10.11
Solicited in October Previews.
OCT11 0285 FLEX MENTALLO MAN OF MUSCLE MYSTERY DLX HC (MR) 02/01/12 SRP: $22.99
 
 
Rev. Jesse
20:48 / 11.10.11
Sweet.
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
00:29 / 01.11.11
Dude
 
 
Poke it with a stick
21:45 / 01.11.11
New Frank Quietly cover here.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:08 / 07.11.11
Bump
 
 
yichihyon
13:34 / 17.02.12
Flex Mentallo in book format type print finally! Yes!!!!
 
 
Analogues On
21:44 / 12.04.12
So finally, against all expectations back when this thread started in the olden days of 2002, Flex Mentallo gets a glossy paged, Deluxe Hardcover, annotated release...
And perhaps just as hard to believe when re-reading the posts above, is that no one is around to mark the occasion, compare notes, trade views and dig the vacuum.

I was never a consistent presence here, tending to read more than write, and content to watch other more thoughtful and opinionated para-personalities interact in well parsed lines of text.

My favourite moments though were always those that bubbled up and exploded around the mid-week release dates of new Morrison comics, when wild theories, vague understandings and genuine excitement won out over well-rounded views and oneupmanship. In these moments the board seemed to become that most magical and unheard of things, a shared space where people you barely knew helped each other feel around in the half-light and grasp for familiar forms. The board became a sacred place where monthly comic book releases shone like emanations of pure imagination, amazing artefacts to be peeled back and penetrated, explored and then colonised collectively, like Nanoman and Minimiss disappearing into the quanta of the fantastic.

The recent release of Flex (in itself the ultimate celebration of the joyful creativity of comics?) seems more like a wake here.

So in the interests of not acting like a crazy person and annotating into the darkness (too late, too late) I'll just say that the trade is a wonderful thing for people denied too long it's humour, sadness and spectacle. The art is of course amazing (and differently coloured which works best in issues 3 and 4), and the ending (or series of endings) add up to the best Morrison ever created. It's a journey into the heart of comics, the very fabric of creativity, that reveals not a hoaxer's meta-game but a lightning bolt of truth and a sky filled with wonders.
 
 
THX-1138
23:09 / 24.04.12
Yes it is wonderful.
 
 
■
22:24 / 25.04.12
Well, after eight years, you can spank me and tell me I'm wrong. Form a queue.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:16 / 31.05.12
Yes. Great uber-detailed new cover for the HC by F.Q.
 
 
end times
23:40 / 03.01.13
Any controversy over the recoloring, here? It's possibly more consistent but also less entertainingly day glo.
 
  

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