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New X-Men #122

 
  

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Mr Tricks
09:52 / 19.02.02
On Names:

On Grant's premiere issue Logan & Cyclops are chatting while on the plan & Logn refers to him as scott...or slim.

Cyclops responds something to the effect of:
"call me by my mutant name when we're on a mission, it keeps things from getting confusing."

The use of their "mundane" names seems apt for a school setting...

"Mr Logan" that was great!!!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:52 / 19.02.02
Um, I really don't know what to say - other that if someone tried to write something like this as a parody of the worst sort of fanboy, it would never quite be this funny, terrifying, and tragic all at once.

It seems that Sweet Jane has supplied us all with a hyperlink to insane fanboy hell....

[ 19-02-2002: Message edited by: Flux = Rad ]
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
09:52 / 19.02.02
Ah yes Flux, I was gonna link to that article. But to be honest I got too scared halfway through reading it. But it's good to see some people still care about comics.

Um...
 
 
Trijhaos
09:52 / 19.02.02
Oh the horror! the horror! Grant's not following continuity. What's the world coming to? What do we tell the children?

People like that make me laugh. Comics are supposed to be fun not something you get all angry about when the newest in a long string of writers doesn't follow continuity.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:52 / 19.02.02
Well, there seems to be a big flaw in his argument - Grant has been writing the character Jean Grey as a total full-on peacenik pacifist. He is arguing that the retroactive logic of making Jean the Phoenix would make her a mass murderer while possessed by an alien spirit.

So on one hand, let's humor the guy and say "Okay, Jean Grey killed millions of people" - but she's a pacifist now, she's become a shining example of flawless morality! Forgive and forget, eh?

On the other, the guy is jumping to conclusions - Grant hasn't said that Jean Grey is the Phoenix. It's a mystery so far - there's no answers just yet, and probably won't be for at least another seven or eight months. I do seem to recall Grant saying in an interview that one of the future stories would be about what would happen if Jean Grey really did become a Goddess - and I don't think genocide is in her future, really.

Look, now he's dragged me down with him...
 
 
Trijhaos
09:52 / 19.02.02
How do you explain the full page phoneix pic in issue 120 if Jean isn't the phoneix. Is that just an outward manifestation of Jean's current powers or is it a sign of things to come?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the whole phoneix force thing was mentioned in the run before Grant took over so if you look at it from that perspective Grant is indeed following continuity.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
09:52 / 19.02.02
Don't do it Flux! You're better than that!

But basically, you can completely deconstruct the guys whole argument (not hard admittedly) - hell, his whole life - and he'd never admit to it...

Oh, blessed ignorance

(note: I'm being silly.)
 
 
Jackie Susann
09:52 / 19.02.02
Did anyone follow the link to his previous column? It's hilarious. And even scarier. But he gets points for coining the phrase 'creator chaser' as an insult - it's like 'player hater' for comic geeks (kind of).
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:52 / 19.02.02
Well, I guess one way to look at it that is fairly logical is that a) Jean Grey is tremendously powerful and b) pretty creative and emotional. She was just calling on a past experience and unconciously expressing it creatively - note that she wasn't really aware that she had done the whole Phoenix thing. The character did more or less exactly the same thing when Steve Seagle/Joe Kelly was writing it about four years ago. The guy can look on the bright side, that Grant is actually clearing up a continuity issue that was brought up by them but quickly shuffled away because of editorial interference.

Anyway, that guy just gives me the creeps. He's the kind of person who really doesn't care what the stories and comics are like so long as they are faithful and anal retentive in keeping with comics Chris Claremont was writing and probably just throwing out any old shit that came into his head at the time. The guy wasn't even consistent with himself, how can you expect other people to be that way?

"Creator followers"? That's so crazy - because of course, our first loyalties should be to corporate properties, and not to writers and artists who appeal to us, right? Oh god, what this guy must think of creator-owned work...


quote:Mostly because the new writers of today, in my opinion, have raped any life from the characters with their revolutionary ideas that connect readers with the writer or artist instead of the character

Whoah!

This guy REALLY needs to settle down, especially when he's deluded himself into thinking anyone 'hip' is reading something like Alias.

But I don't think there is any saving this guy:


quote: I can tell you that Captain Marvel and Batgirl have proven to me that it is still possible to discover that literary joy from my youth as a comic fan.


[ 19-02-2002: Message edited by: Flux = Rad ]
 
 
Professor Silly
09:52 / 19.02.02
Granted, I only read 2/3 of the article...and I don't find it scary so much as boring.

blah blah blah

the rational speaking about the imaginative
ruach blowing wind about Binah

I think I'll just sit back and enjoy the ride as guided by Mr. Morrison....
 
 
Ganesh
10:36 / 19.02.02
I bet he only flies Quantas...
 
 
Sandfarmer
14:51 / 19.02.02
quote:Poor fella. You just want to send him off to a clinic somewhere and maybe they can help him...

There's got to be some money in that. A comics rehab farm.
I've met a lot of guys like that. Guys who got into the the X-Men because of cartoons. Then bought all the horrible X-Men comics that came out after the title split in two and for some reason think that those comics are what all comics should be. Hand them a copy of the current X-Force and their heads explode. Its messy but fun.
 
  

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