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Karasu
07:21 / 16.01.02
odd jest on horn: Cheers mate.

Damm good article. I'll nick some of that for a talk I'm doing on comics at college.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:18 / 23.02.02
Remember someone asking - in another thread, it seems - where they can get some of Moore's stuff on CD from.

You can get The Highbury Working and Angel Passage here.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
17:30 / 23.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Captain Zoom:
True enough. Has anyone read any of Moore's Image stuff from the 90's. He did some Spawn and WildC.A.T.S. and some other stuff. Is it any good?

Zoom.


He only did one issue of Spawn and a couple of tie-in miniseries that were goofy sort of fun and his WILDCats was very good, with incredible art by Travis Charest.

It just doesn't equal his other stuff. As for me, I liked V for Vedetta MUCH better than Watchmen, and From Hell about the same. His Swamp Thing doesn't have the impact it once did since so many sad hacks have come after, stealing the best bits (Cary Bates doing elemental stories anyone?), but it's still a very good comic series if you keep the historical information in mind.

BTW, his best work? The Last Superman Story. Amazing in how it worked, and I'm very glad it was drawn by Curt Swan.
 
 
Sandfarmer
03:01 / 26.02.02
Adding additional votes for Promethea and Leauge of Extrodinary Gentelmen.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:57 / 03.09.02
I just read Top 10 (bk1) and I loved every second of it. Looks like I know where my non-existent-money's going for the next few months.
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:08 / 03.09.02
What's The Birth Caul? What's it about? Any good?
 
 
DaveBCooper
07:07 / 04.09.02
The Birth Caul was a CD (Alan’s first, IIRC) of a reading done in about 1996 or so. It was out on charrm records, I believe.
It was also adapted into comic form by Eddie Campbell – if you’ve heard the CD first, it’s interesting to see how Eddie’s interpretations of the images turn out.

As for theme, put in appallingly basic terms, it’s about how Alan was born with a ‘birth caul’ – a thin membrane covering the head at birth (easily removed, I understand, not dangerous) – historically, these were seen as a sign of being a seer or somehow having ‘special sight’ or the like. From this premise, he develops the themes of childhood and adolescence in a very personal way. It’s not something you can listen to in the background, but it’s certainly worth your time, I believe.

DBC
 
 
doglikesparky
11:33 / 04.09.02
I've got both From Hell and Watchmen and have yet to read either. Does anyone have an opinion as to which I should read first or does it really not matter?

In the meantime I'll register a vote for Promethea which every month, just leaves me breathless.
 
 
deja_vroom
11:55 / 04.09.02
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The Natural Way
14:06 / 04.09.02
The caul itself is a highly charged symbol of childhood, through which the shaman conjures up his experience, in the hope that something in it will speak to us all.... Actually, the thing starts off in a deeply individual/personal vein, but, as it pro/regresses from adulthood to the womb, it becomes more and more Universal in scope....
 
 
Axel Lambert
13:08 / 05.09.02
robotman: what is this talk of Moore having av alter ego (Green goblin)?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:41 / 05.09.02
Robot was playing silly buggers.
 
 
sleazenation
14:00 / 05.09.02
Alan moore also did an issuee of Sam Kieth's maxx (issue 21)
 
 
Axel Lambert
17:31 / 05.09.02
Ah. Silly robot. My favourites would be Swamp Thing, From hell, Top ten, and League of extraordinary gentlemen.
 
 
arcboi
19:30 / 05.09.02
I guess I would go for Marvel..oops! I mean Miracleman, V For Vendetta, Watchmen and LOEG.

Interesting points about Tom Strong. I also gave up after a few issues. I think he's actually supposed to be Moore's take on Doc Savage.

I thought Promethea was interesting, but I haven't been reading it as a regular title.

I thought Volume I of LOEG was quite novel and fun, but so far Vol. II is fan fucking tastic.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:40 / 05.09.02
I think [Tom Strong is] actually supposed to be Moore's take on Doc Savage.

*blinks*

Gee, ya think?
 
 
Axel Lambert
19:49 / 05.09.02
Miracleman is indeed great, but I find V for vendetta a bit, I dunno -- dated. I stopped buying Tom Strong a while ago, because I thought it was too cute. Promethea is great but loooooooooooong with endless strongling around in wonderland cliché landscapes. It out-sandmans sandman, really. But love the Doll.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
21:59 / 05.09.02
On a sort of side note, the first collection of Moore's Supreme is (finally, tentatively) scheduled for November.
 
 
arcboi
00:31 / 06.09.02
..er sorry for not mentioning I was referring to the comments in Randy's original post Mr Fear ;-)

I've heard good things about Supreme but yet to check it out. I guess I'll add it to the ever-increasing list....
 
 
Sebastian
11:43 / 06.09.02
Uhmm, I am looking for some sort of tele-psychological support. I admire Moore. I actually enjoyed many of his works. I am actually delirious about his LOEG 2. But the fact is I was given this thing, Watchmen, as a birthday present two maybe three years ago, and I found it to be -at least until when I last browsed it months back- sort of able to take me in a few pannels to my own private pinnacle of boredom. By the way, I have not read V, which I rather regret these days. But Watchmen is impossible for me. De Jade, you seem to love it, I've read the reviews, anyone out there, great work, great insights, but in short, what's the fuzz?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
13:13 / 06.09.02
It's a cute commendation of Moore's writing that a post asking what his best work is is answered with a list of just about everything he's done.

Watchmen is the standard text, mcglinchy, which, along with Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, modernized the field of superhero stories. So yeah, it's a great place to start, but keep in mind that it's more timely than classic -- V for Vendetta & Swamp Thing are classics, I think -- and might be a little dated, what with a sort of counter-revolution happening against it now (and Moore himself one of said counterrevolutionaries). And, you know, in the broad scope of Big-C Culture, superhero stories are really a niche territory, anyway. Aside from the superhero stuff, it's a very good philosophical detective story, pretty well-layered and with some unforgetable characters. Personally, I think From Hell is a little advanced. I'd've said almost exactly the opposite as Big Talk, that From Hell takes some work, but Watchmen opens right up.

Random followups:
Doc Savage & Superman aren't that different, from a character-oriented POV. One has big powers & the other has... well, big powers, but more "realistic" ones. Anyway, Tom Strong is a decent gloss on both.

V for Vendetta is a little dated in some technical ways, but I think the examination of identity & moral action is pretty well timeless (though time will tell, I guess). I imagine there's a nice little paper for some lit critic in plotting a course from Ozymandias through V and John Constantine to Promethea -- heroes willing to destroy the world in order to save it. Not to mention Miracleman, whose utopia-built-on-the-bones-of-innocents popped up in another thread recently.

Sebastian, I think we'd need to know more about your reactions. As it is, it's hard to tell someone that no, Watchmen is not boring. I mean, if you're bored, you're bored. However, you could be reacting against the 'gritty realism' -- which is, of course, a total illusion. Think of Adrian Veidt as a magician. Both Moore & Gibbons put a lot of work into arranging coincidences throughout the book that you might find appealing, once you start finding them.

The "grimoire" aspect of Promethea can be a little tiresome, I think, though I love Promethea. I'm waiting for him to finish introducing us to his Big Ideas and get on with a story -- something that happens a lot with these Brit writers, actually. And the non-violent problem-solving of Promethea & Tom Strong, while commendable, does tend to rob the stories of tension (Grant Morrison does it, too). I no longer believe that any threat appearing in either story is really very dangerous. I mean, Watchmen featured a creative outside-the-box solution, too, but Rorschach still had to...

Well, that would be telling.

Anyhoo. I've never read Moore's Supreme, though I hear good things. Pleased to hear it's being collected.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:40 / 06.09.02
The "grimoire" aspect of Promethea can be a little tiresome... I'm waiting for him to finish introducing us to his Big Ideas and get on with a story...

You're far more patient than I: I dropped PROMETHEA at around #9.

As for the "story"--frankly, I don't think it's ever gonna happen. Moore is far too skilled a writer to be sidetracked by secondary concerns—if he was really interested in moving the "plot" along, he'd be doing so.

I became convinced early on that PROMETHEA, the comic book, is primarily didactic in purpose—a guidebook through, and apologia for, Alan Moore's own belief system and magickal techniques. Nothing I've heard or read in the interim has convinced me otherwise—that he narrative, such as it is, has any aim but to serve the book's instructional purpose.

Which is fine, for what it is. But it means that the characters are, at heart, no more important than Dick and Jane from the old primary-school readers. And I'm not sufficiently interested in magick to read a textbook for pleasure, no matter how engagingly-written and beautifully-illustrated that textbook may be.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
14:07 / 06.09.02
No argument from me, Fear. Promethea's a great character with a great supporting cast, and we know that Moore can write the Big Story that these characters want to be a part of. I find the textbook aspect interesting enough to keep buying the collections, but I do wish he'd have the confidence to publish a textbook without cluttering it up with Dick and Jane -- and cluttering Dick and Jane up with it.
 
 
Spaniel
16:32 / 16.09.02
I can't believe how little Watchmen has been mentioned on this thread. For the comic literate and illiterate alike this is a must read for a thousand million reasons - that my lazy brain won't allow me to go into here.

Interested in how fiction impacts reality and vice-versa? Read Watchmen.

Interested in the most thorough and worthwhile deconstruction of comic books ever? Read Watchmen.

Interested in witnessing absolute mastery of the comic book form? Read Watchmen.

Interested in the limits of fiction? Read Watchmen.

Interested in skill comics? Read Watchmen... NOW!
 
 
Jack Fear
16:36 / 16.09.02
Not interested in superheroes?
Don't read WATCHMEN.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
17:41 / 16.09.02
What does 'the limits of fiction' mean? And how did Watchmen 'impact reality'? And didn't you notice all the people mentioning Watchmen in this thread?

???
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:34 / 18.09.02
I do wish Moore would stop being so 'clever' in his ABC books. Take 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' for example, stopping the comic four or five pages early so we can have a dense 'look at the breadth of my intellect and knowledge of 19th century literature!' puff piece. It was the same with Tom Strong. I did quick like Promethea and Top 10 though, but there was that element of insincerity.

I want the guy that wrote Swamp Thing back, if you think you're too good for comic books then don't write the things...
 
 
The Natural Way
11:41 / 18.09.02
What "insincerity"?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:17 / 19.09.02
Damn, my reply doesn't seem to have made it, let's try again.

Too often the ABC line reads to me like Moore isn't writing any of it because he wants to do comics, he's writing it for the money. I see Tom Strong as the absolute nadir of this and LoEG at the other end. So he's writing any old tat because he knows his name on the top is shifting this, if he'd done it anonymously then I think the line would have folded by now, with perhaps Vertigo trying to see if they could get LoEG or maybe Promethea. So he writes in things like steam-powered robots but doesn't come up with a better idea because 'that'll do'.

However, having said that I realise I generally like LoEG (though Season 2 will hopefully start around issue 3 or 4), Promethea and Top Ten, so don't think I'm wholly negative about the project.
 
 
deja_vroom
18:27 / 19.09.02
Sebastian: Oh my god oh my god oh my god.

Watchmen is so great nothing anyone say will make you understand it. You HAVE to read it. It takes some time setting up the story, but once it's in full gear, there's nothing like it. The moral implications on the character's actions, the clever resolutions to the conflicts portrayed, the poetry in "Watchmaker", the feeling of increasing paranoia...
Do yourself a favor and start reading it soon, Sebastian.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:53 / 20.09.02
Then read 'From Hell'. Then invent a time machine so you can go back in time and make yourself read both at an earlier age. If you have any time after that you may like to go back to a grassy knoll in Dallas and shout "Oy, John-boy, on the head!"
 
 
The Natural Way
11:11 / 20.09.02
Hmmm, I don't like the idea that 'From Hell' is better when you read it as a teen. For loads of reasons.......
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:18 / 20.09.02
Well, late teen perhaps. I wasn't aware of how old Sebastian was...
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:35 / 20.09.02
1963 is great fun, esp if you're a Marvel 60's head like me.

Supreme... see 1963, but i suppose it operates on other fronts as well. VERY pleased that it's coming out in trades. Just cannot find anything in stores for back issues.

Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is pretty fun.

His Spawn issue was... written in a very dark period. He hadn't written squate in years and Spawn was no pearl.

I am very lucky to have the Watchmen hardcover and it features all kinds of background material, sketchbook stuff, etc. So I guess I love that series, but have a soft spot for Swamp Thing.

Can't be bothered with his ABC stuff. Very dry to my eyes.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:42 / 20.09.02
Info on the Supreme collection(s) can be found here (pre-ordering direct from the company begins today).
 
  

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