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New X-Men #117

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Ronald Thomas Clontle

10:48 / 03.10.01

Agreed.

The only thing that doesn't match up is Hank being in great shape, and no one being particularly worried about the Cassandra/Charles situation. (though Hank's beatdown may not have been all THAT severe, he probably does heal quickly...and Cassandra might have mind-wiped him or something...)

Also, these things may have been glossed over in the interest of reader accessability, and not wanting to spoil 117, since it may have been known that the annual would ship first.

The Natural Way

10:50 / 03.10.01

Why would it be lame? Remember, Cassy could've wiped his memory and pinned the blame on The Beak. It would be typically cruel Cassy behaviour. Esp when you consider her words to the bird boy:

"How could you do this to the Beast....etc"

The Jean on her own thing seems really persuasive to me - would she have been left alone to look after the school unless Xavier had made her Headmistress beforehand? Would she have even needed to stay if Xavier was around?

11:05 / 03.10.01

A couple of years ago, Dark Horse put out a book called The Art of Comic Book Inking by Gary Martin. It had all sorts of tips and tricks of the trade as far as inking goes (and it showed how various inkers would ink the same drawing differently).
Plus you can marvel at the various drawing styles of the extremely talented Steve Rude (who did a good number of the examples in the book).

[ 03-10-2001: Message edited by: Bio K-9, the Judgmental Jigger ]

deletia

11:13 / 03.10.01

Thanks, but I'll stick to How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way.

11:28 / 03.10.01

It wasn't an in house production, they just published the damn thing. Its not like it was How to Ink StarWars vs. Predator vs. Aliens vs. Terminator vs. Robocop vs. The Buffy Bunch or anything.

And get out of my sisters wardrobe you little sick-o.

11:45 / 03.10.01

>>>Thanks, but I'll stick to How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way. <<<

I'm not sure if you're making a joke but that's actually a great book - I studied that book relentlessly when I was a kid and learned a lot from it.

13:48 / 03.10.01

I learned fuck all from it.

But then I was 8, maybe I should dig it out again..

Our Lady of The Two Towers

14:11 / 03.10.01

All I can remember is Stan Lee saying "just draw Dr. Strange from a weird angle- look! Immediate suspense!"
But it had that nice book smell, so I don't mind.

The Natural Way

16:46 / 03.10.01

I love you guys.

But stop fucking on the thread.

I was having a nice chat about the annual in relation to 117, and then this......

And I'll probably have to repeat myself, now, because the threads been so utterly rotted.

23:00 / 03.10.01

quote:Originally posted by young runt:

And that brings me to the gooood stuff:

The Royal Guard in the teleporatation Beam. Fucking great. Morrison knows drama: if you have no idea who they are, it's like "who the fuck are those hard looking bastards?", but if you do know what they're about it's the same: "who the fuck are those hard looking bastards?" They've never looked so good. So, kudos to Sciver for pulling that off.

I totally agree with you: that final panel is fucking great...

And, as someone who never read X Men before Morrison, I'd really like to know who are those mean-looking bastards... please?

deletia

07:08 / 04.10.01

The Shi'Ar Royal Guard - a group of elite soldiers dedicated to protecting the Shi'Ar throne, and thus whoever happens to be sitting on it. They're bad guys when Deathbird takes over, as she often does, ambivalently good guys when Lilandra is kicking around.

The big guy with the mohawk is Gladiator, what the Authority would call and Alpha-class superhuman and a clear Superman piss-take. Nobody has respected him since he got beaten by Cannonball shortly before that whole Onslaught farrago, and who can blame them? Remember, kids - never face off against somebody in their own book. Other worthies tend to include B'nee and C'cil, a robot double-act, a telepath and precog called Oracle, anothe double-act called Binary, and so on. Spentr a lot of time scrapping with the Starjammers, a group of aliens with equally fucking ridiculous names led by Cyclops' dad, who is officially the worst father in history, but nobody ever seems to mention it.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

18:53 / 04.10.01

Those mean looking bastards are the Shi'Ar Imperial Guard, who are group of intergalactic superhero/warrior types, they are kinda like a cross between the Legion of Super Heroes and the Avengers. They are all tough motherfuckers, their leader, the guy with the mohawk, Gladiator is powerful enough to kick a guy like The Mighty Thor's ass.

They are oldtime X-Men villains, they show up in any story involving the Shi'Ar Empire. Their job is essentially to protect Empress Lilandra (Charles' girlfriend), and the rest of the Empire.

And if Cassandra/Charles tells them to kill the X-Men, they can and will.

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Ronald Thomas Clontle

19:01 / 04.10.01

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Haus of Correction:

Nobody has respected him since he got beaten by Cannonball shortly before that whole Onslaught farrago, and who can blame them?

hey man, lay off Cannonball.. I've always liked that character, especially when he was an X-Man. that was actually one of the best issues of Lobdell's run, the one you mention. Also, that story was after Onslaught...it was the issue before the Operation Zero Tolerance/X-Men in Space/Gambit is a traitor storyline that conclude Lobdell's run.

A lot of the Imperial Guard members you mention have been killed off, if I recall. Binary was Carol Danvers, who is in the Avengers now.

And a month or two before Grant took over, there was an ENTIRE issue of X-Men written by Lodbell about what a crap father Corsair was to Cyclops.

[ 04-10-2001: Message edited by: Flux = Rad ]

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

19:10 / 04.10.01

quote:Originally posted by The Knowledge +1:
[QB]I figure that he and Cassandra were experimental twins made in a lab somewhere.

QB]

I'm showing my huge fucking geek colours here, but:

There's already been plenty of evidence to indicate that Charles was the result of an experiment into mutations. His biological father, Brian Xavier, has been shown to have had ties to Weapon X and Mr. Sinister.

<geekoff>

Ronald Thomas Clontle

19:19 / 04.10.01

hey man, I think it's safe to geek out in the New X-Men threads. I feel safe, anyway...

I didn't know about Xavier's dad's connections to Weapon X and Sinister...where is that from?

That's a great plot twist...

deletia

09:09 / 05.10.01

Geeking out to the extent above, Flux, is unacceptable at any time. Besides, if memory serves, the Lobdell abortion at no point involves Scotty killing his father for failing to bother to see if either of his sons survived being thrown out of a plane with only one parachute (or whatever happened - don't smart with me, milkstinkers) and instead deciding to bang around space nobbing mink/human hybrids until they happened to bump into each other, at which point he clearly decided that, cold as the embrace of deep space may be, it beat the Hell out of hanging with the two unbelievable wankshandies his sons turned out to be.

"Hi, dad, I'm Cyclops. I hang out with a group of mutants who are feared and reviled by the entire human race, and yet still manage to be among them a figure of mockery."

"Hi dad, I'm Havok. I've managed to fail in literally everything I have ever done, but at least I no longer wear the nastiest headgear ever."

"LOVE US!"

Fuck's sake, Adam Strange is a better father.

09:09 / 05.10.01

quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Connection:
Geeking out to the extent above, Flux, is unacceptable at any time.

Sweet Baby Jesus, man. Have you reread your previous threads?

You reference The Shi'Ar Royal Guard, name most of their members including B'nee and C'Cil, go off about Sam Guthrie's lack of merit, mink/human hybrids, Havok's strange headgear and Adam Fucking Strange.

I own most of OHOTMU and I wouldn't be slinging that shit around in mixed company.

Hey Haus. Got Milk?

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deletia

09:09 / 05.10.01

I'm trying to communicate on the appropriate level.

And I bet you know the name of the human/mink hybrid. You're just itching to tell everyone. To show how cool you are.

Got milky milky?

[ 05-10-2001: Message edited by: The Haus of Connection ]

09:09 / 05.10.01

Hepzibah.

Take that, Rann-boy.

deletia

09:09 / 05.10.01

Kinda proving my point there, Mori old man.

What is the OHOTMU, by the way? Official History of the Marvel Universe?

[ 05-10-2001: Message edited by: The Haus of Connection ]

deletia

09:09 / 05.10.01

Not, I'd like to point out, that there is anything wrong with a bit of geeking out. But, simple fact, in the impoverished provinces of the United Kingdom there was simply no opportunity. We got Secret Wars (lucky us) on newstands, and that was pretty much it. Only when I moved to Oxford, with money and a room of one's own, did real milkomania become a possibility.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

09:09 / 05.10.01

I've got to say, Haus...you nearly lost me on the Adam Strange reference...even still, I'm having trouble trying to remember why he might be a bad father...all I remember is the silver helmet and the red tights...

deletia

09:09 / 05.10.01

Oh God....I am so milky at this stage it's not even true. I'd like to point out that I know of Adam Strange at all only through early Shamen.

Buuuut.

Basically, Zeta-beam. Zapping him from Earth to Rann and back again periodically. So, not likely to be able to guarantee attendance at parents' evenings, school sports days and so on. Plus, wife died in childbirth, so single parent with really bad reliance not even on a Nanny, but most likely on his mad scientist father-in-law. Which is no way for a kid to grow up.

09:09 / 05.10.01

quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Connection:
What is the OHOTMU, by the way? Official History of the Marvel Universe?

The official HANDBOOK of the Marvel Universe... I've got'em all too...

My second comic ever was one of them <looks dreamily into the distant past> ...

deletia

09:09 / 05.10.01

Ye Gods....so, for the canonical account of whether the Grim Reaper could beat Mandrill in a fair fight, or something?

09:09 / 05.10.01

No quite. They invented a role playing game for that.

No, the handbook is more about scientificesque explanations of powers and machines and convoluted histories.

Then, of course, the whole MU went a bit pear shaped for ten years and no amount of explaining was going to make sense it.

I mean Heroes Reborn? What was that all about?

deletia

09:09 / 05.10.01

I really couldn't tell you.

So, anyway, I reckon the events in the Annual must take place after the events depicted here, which does rather suggest that Cassie has wiped Hank's memory, and left the Beak to take the rap. Which is pleasingly nasty...

I think it will be interesting to see whether the Shi'ar are used as a means to keep Charles out of the way for a bit, or as an invasion force.

Meanwhile, Gladiator, although theoretically a Superman-level metahuman, has a nasty tendency to get beaten by pretty well everyone. And, since his powers are linked to his self-esteem (cheers, Lobdell, ya WANKER), he mist at present be slightly less superhuman than me. Anyone recognise the others?

09:09 / 05.10.01

Not sure of the others. But I recoginsed most of them, so a quick look at my OHTMU should reveal all... except that I'm at work <doh!>

On a side issue, If Cassie Nova has invaded Charles' mind is Charles in her body or trapped in his own mind?

09:09 / 05.10.01

quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Connection:
Kinda proving my point there, Mori old man.

I'm not "kinda" proving your point, I am definitely proving your point. I enjoy this kind of back and forth geek out challenge.

Besides, I cheated. I had to check the trusty OHOTMU for the answer.

deletia

09:09 / 05.10.01

Wussy. Even I knew that one. The complement was rounded out by a big lizard in nappies called Ch'od, a neurotic robot dragonfly medic called Sikorsky, and a shit cyborg with pointy ears called something like Ba'hul. Who was just wank. Oh, and Binary was kicking around for a while, too.

All my memories of having seen men or women naked are hallucinatory, aren't they?

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Regrettable Juvenilia

09:09 / 05.10.01

Actually, they're false memories put in by those nasty scientists at the Weapon:Haus project...

deletia

09:09 / 05.10.01

Actually, my real secret shame is that none of this comes from having read the comics. Narratives interest me, shitty X-Men comics don't. This detail comes from reading *about* comics, which must make me a metageek...

Our Lady of The Two Towers

12:51 / 05.10.01

IIRC, Gladiator hadn't been beaten before Claremont left, though he was winded by Gambit doing an entire packet of cards into his chest (which has to go down as one of the coolest bits of artwork ever, even though it's Gambit).

And the entire Summers family is crap. Havoks' mutant power seems to be 'really easy to mind-control by anyone at all ever'.

22:11 / 05.10.01

UM... sO.

Does anyone remember when Cassy Nove Read the DNA of of what's-his-face the dentist Trask so as to be able to voice control the Sentenials...

What if the "creature" known as Cassy Nova (the Green Chuthulu looking green psi-thing) is the evolutionary leap that encountered a young Charles (& or his twin) read the Xavier DNA & assumed the form of a female twin (or took possession of Charle's sister)...

That could simply explain her being the evolutionary leap that charles is not... as well some of the ex-lover undercurrents their relationship seems to hold.

maybe it's just me but an evil-twin that also happens to be the next stage in evolution seems a bit thin...

and my vote is that the annual takes place after 117... it may also be that Beast Does remember... but the topic is not brought up in the annual because it's not relevant.

and doesn't the New ANGLE make her appearace with the Mr. Sublime story?

So 118 may have lots of Shai'r Kick Ass...?

Ronald Thomas Clontle

22:32 / 05.10.01

I would think the 'Shi'Ar kick ass' will take place after the silent issue, in the arch leading up to and including 125.

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