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X-Men 116 (Spoilers of course!)

 
  

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Ellis
13:21 / 20.08.01
I got this today when I wandered down to my local retailer to ask if he had a shop in London (there are 4 luckily, all bigger than the one in Swindon).

Yea, so spoilers are in here.

This issue is absolutely brilliant.
The worst thing is the embarrassing Quitely cover of the White Queen.

The X men go to Genosha, look around, find The White Queen holding the body of the fabulously named Negasonic Teenage Warhead in her arms.

Back at the mansion, Cassandra Nova is revealed to be some kind of meta mutant, the next thing after mutants and that the human race will die out in 5 generations.
But... we dont find out why she looks so smiliar to the professor.

"Magento is dead, Scott." Xaviers face and dialogue throughout this issue is brilliant.

Cassandra Nova escapes and tries to find Cerebra so she can use it to kill all mutants on Earth, but is near killed by the White Queen and then shot to pieces by Xavier.

Who then comes out as a mutant, while Scott moans about having En Sabah Nurr (Apocalypse) in his head, Jean complains about no sex in five months.

Wolverine shows a good use of his powers in this issue too after having hsi arm stripped by Nova.

What I love about this issue apart from the art and writing of course and the inking which seems much better than in previous issues, the way the X Men have become proactive and are concerned with protecting all of mutant kind. Xavier has stopped being so much of a dreamer and more of a realist, killing Nova because if he didnt she would have killed the entire mutant race. The X Men have become... hardened, you get that idea in the annual too when the X Plane is blowing up the Chinese base, Logan "So we're aloud to do stuff like this now?" Cyclops: "We just did Logan, lets see who complains."

Maybe they have become a bit similar to the Authority, but when its so well written, who cares?

Shame Magneto is dead though, because I would have loved to see how Morrison writes him.

But what happened to the giant Sentinel??

And when will we get to learn more of Cassandra Nova?

I just wish Quitely was pencilling it all, I have no problems with waiting a few months for him.

Incidentally, the "E for Extinction" trade comes out in November.

[ 20-08-2001: Message edited by: Ellis ]
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:58 / 20.08.01
Man, I wish I hadn't read that.

It is good to know that it will actually come out this week, and that the next issue will be out within another few weeks. I'm dying for my next New X-Men fix. It's a shame we've got to wait another three months to get a glimpse of a Frank Quitely-drawn Xorn...
 
 
Jamieon
17:14 / 22.08.01
Who, hopefully, will not have a child's drawing of a star for a head.......
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
17:39 / 22.08.01
quote:Originally posted by runt:
Who, hopefully, will not have a child's drawing of a star for a head.......


It occurred to me that the light coming from his head should be so bright that not only his body should be obscured, but so should everything around him.

I read the issue a few times already today...wow is not strong enough a word. This New X-Men thing gets better and better...I love Grant and Frank's Emma Frost, the definitive death of Magneto, the demise (or is it?) of Cassandra Nova, Scott's description of his possession by En Sabah Nur at the end (thanks for not calling him Apocalypse, Grant...), Jean's pacifist attitude, Xavier's outting himself...the dialogue was great, everything...

Wow.

and if I hadn't already committed to the Flux name, I'd be calling myself Negasonic Teenage Warhead around here...

maybe I can start a band called that...

[ 22-08-2001: Message edited by: Flux = RAD ]
 
 
sleazenation
18:05 / 22.08.01
slightly off topic but since ellis mentioned it there are many comic shops in londong with 5 located within ten minutes of each other one located in camden and a fair few others further out...
 
 
klint
02:33 / 23.08.01
I just read this and the annual today (had the pleasure of reading the annual after 116). I'm very impressed. While I liked the first two issues, I remained skeptical of how interesting this book was going to be. But DAMN. This issue was intense. I doubt Nova is completely dead yet. But even still, I'm sure we'll be finding out more about her. Emma has become a cool character.

Up until now I didn't like Quitely's art in X-Men. I mean, I like his art, but it seemed out of place. Now I think either I have gotten used to it, or he has gotten the hang of it, because this issue was awesome. I really liked the scene where Scott and Jean are in the bedroom watching TV.
 
 
CameronStewart
02:36 / 23.08.01
That first page is bloody amazing.

I'm usually not one to cite "detail" and "realism" when assessing artwork, but god damn. The rendering in the drawing was bloody marvelous.

Hank McCoy as Hamlet.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
02:36 / 23.08.01
SPOILERS for future storylines...


Cassandra Nova isn't dead. Apparently she comes back in charge of the Shi'ar empire (big alien army)...
 
 
Ellis
10:34 / 23.08.01
Slight thread bump so people don't see the spoiler on the "Todays active topics screen".

Incidentally, in the first of Grant's issues Cassandra says something along the lines oof "Hello again Charles" so they obviously hhave a past together...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:26 / 23.08.01
Can I just say: the Black Bug Room - eek!
 
 
quinine92001
11:54 / 23.08.01
I just have one question: Is Negasonic Teenage Warhead the new Moslem character who was present with Emma? The character that was pulled from the wreckage certainly looked a lot like the teen who was trying to warn the students of Genosha's demise. Maybe Cassandra is from the future and she has returned to the past after absorbing Xaviers DNA. That is why she looks so much like him and has kick ass telepathic powers.
 
 
Ganesh
12:22 / 23.08.01
Woo hoo! Things I liked about this issue:

- the first page; like Cameron says, lovely, moody artwork. Love the detail of the skeletal mother and baby, the bones fused together and the bird skeletons. Hank's thighs are getting nice and meaty too...

- Emma Frost's archness ("I intend to have myself valued", "Lucky for you, this is a Louis Vuitton"); Patsy Stone with "top class breeding"

- Logan's dry humour ("They're trying to ruin the dramatic atmosphere, Hank, ignore 'em")

- The Black Bug Room - reminiscent of 'insectoid' portrayals of depression throughout Morrison's work, from his Doom Patrol 'Tea Shop of Despair' to Jolly Roger's nightmare vision of The Invisibles' Outer Church

- Cassandra Nova's armour/exoskeleton, again reminiscent of Miss Dwyer in The Invisibles

- Wolverine's healing arm (like Willoughby Kipling in Doom Patrol, or am I taking this comparison thing too far?)

- the fact that good ol' Wolvie always finds a reason to lose his shirt...

- Ms Nova's Lovecraftian/fractal green Cerebra-tentacles

- Scott doing the whole weird separate beds routine with Jean (is that a condom she's telepathically reaching for in the bottom panel? A none-too-subtle hint?)

- Chuck's outing of himself; must be about as surprising as Michael Stipe's...

To me, my Barbeloids!
 
 
Chuckling Duck
12:46 / 23.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Ganesh:
... The Black Bug Room - reminiscent of 'insectoid' portrayals of depression throughout Morrison's work, from his Doom Patrol 'Tea Shop of Despair' to Jolly Roger's nightmare vision of The Invisibles' Outer Church...


Morrison’s X-Men has one more trope in common with his Doom Patrol--their paraplegic leader seems to be keeping some sinister secrets from the team.

Cassandra Nova clearly had some personal connection to Charles Xavier, but he artfully dodged questions like “Why does she look like you?”. When Cassandra climbed into Cerebro, she said she was going after just one mutant, by which I assume she meant Charles. In an uncharacteristic display of marksmanship, Charles gunned her down . . . to silence her?

Also note that Charles is displaying some very Chief-like egotism. “To me, my X-men!”

Now, I don’t think for a moment that Professor X is going to hatch a world-destroying secret plan, but I suspect he’s covering up something very nasty in his past.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
12:51 / 23.08.01
I have a big question about the E Is For Extinction story...

after 115, what the hell happened to the Sentinel army? Where did they go? Are they still on the loose, slaughtering mutants? Or are they dormant without follow-up commands from Cassandra Nova?

I'm dying to know what the connection between Charles and Cassandra is... and that tip about the Shi'Ar is especially odd. What was that she said in the first issue..."the first, oldest, and last enemy" or something?

I like that the X-Men's new arch-enemy is a tiny skinny old woman so badass that she killed Magneto almost as an afterthought...
 
 
sleazenation
13:08 / 23.08.01
I'm betting the Charles is not a mutant at all but the next stage up, just like nova a kind of mutant-mutant. interestingly enough some of the x-men are starting to mutate themselves at the moment...
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:49 / 23.08.01
While that theory kinda works out, why doesn't Charles have the same kind of every-mutant-power-under-the-sun thing going on that Cassanda has?

I liked that Cassandra, as the next step after the mutants, has a wide variety of the mutant powers that tend to manifest themselves as singular traits in individuals.
The next step in evolution would be to become all-out gods...
 
 
sleazenation
14:11 / 23.08.01
i think charles may well have other powers but either has yet to display them even to his most trusted xmen or he uses his telepathic powers to erase everyones memory of his other powers...
 
 
CameronStewart
14:52 / 23.08.01
While I still think the NewXMen annual was a disappointment, it at least makes a bit more sense now that I've read this issue. I didn't understand the line "Xavier outs himself as the mutant Ghandi," or how Emma Frost suddenly showed up. Now I do.

Clearly this was meant to hit shelves before the annual - I wonder why they didn't hold it back until next week...
 
 
quinine92001
15:02 / 23.08.01
Xavier erasing people' minds to hide his powers? Ol' Chuck doesn't strike me as being that unethical. Was anyone else reminded of King Mob when charles shot Cassandra? A bullet in the right place can change the world....
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:06 / 23.08.01
quote:Originally posted by quinine92001:
Xavier erasing people' minds to hide his powers? Ol' Chuck doesn't strike me as being that unethical.


Ah, but he's wiped people's minds before (he did it to Magneto), and in Millar's Ultimate X-Men he pulls shit like that all the time. Grant isn't the first writer to suggest that Xavier may be willing to do slightly unethical things when necessary (or not...), not by a long shot.
 
 
MJ-12
16:20 / 23.08.01
The really scary thing was that he wiped our minds so that we didn't remember reading about it.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
17:16 / 23.08.01
Haven't got it yet, but it sounds good. I thought I ought to point out, though, for those who don't know, that 'Negasonic Teenage Warhead' was the title of a monster magnet song, released around '95. Just re-listened to it, and I can see why Grant would name a character after it...
 
 
Ellis
18:06 / 23.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Chuckling Duck:


Also note that Charles is displaying some very Chief-like egotism. “To me, my X-men!”


The only time I remember Xavier saying this before was during the Onslaught storyline where he called them to him before going all wacko.
 
 
The Packard Goose
19:37 / 23.08.01
quote: I thought I ought to point out, though, for those who don't know, that 'Negasonic Teenage Warhead' was the title of a monster magnet song, released around '95. Just re-listened to it, and I can see why Grant would name a character after it...

Yeah, great tune. Love some of those lyrics:
"Shut me off, 'cause I'll go crazy with this planet in my hands."

Off of MM's Dopes to Infinity CD, which is chock-full of comics references ("Ego, The Living Planet", "Vertigo", et cetera).
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:38 / 24.08.01
Brilliant issue...I'm still digesting it...

So MANY Invisible themes at play... Proff-X as King Mob, Cassandra Nova as Ms. Dwyer, the Black Bug Room (dreamt of it last night YIKES)...

Memorable Quotes...

Beast: "yes i know I look like a special effect..."

Prof-X: "May postarity forgive me."

Emma: "may our dry cleaners forgive you..." (sounded very Lord Fanny there)

Person: "you have no official status."
Jean Grey: "please..."

Wolvie shouts in trouble: "TEAM!!!"

Wolverine: "hard core Chuck."

it goes on...

Cassandra Nova:
After this Reading I'm almost convinced she's Charles' twin. It's pretty common for mutants to come in twins it seems.

Charles may be a mutant while she's a meta mutant.
(though I like the idea that they are both Meta-mutants, but that would mean Charles would have instinctively known about human extinction all along... this opens a whole other bag of questions:
Charles has been trying to ease humanity's extinction via his dream.
He doesn't have the variety of powers (healing factor) because he refuses to prey on other Mutant consciousnesses.


Or the Meta-mutation (some disembodies Green tenticled thing)could have read the DNA of Charles' sister Cassandra, early upon the onset of their mutation (early puberty), thus the first, oldest enemy.
Remember her last words..."do it now charles!!!" She was hoping to either Kill Charles or be killed by him...
It would run inline with the "possessed by a force of evil" theme that GM's been playing as a subtext.
My guess is as a meta-mutant her "powers" evolve in relation to the Mutant minds she encounters. This would explain the variety of powers manifest in relation to those mutants she's encountering... i.e A Healing factor after encountering Wolverine.

The art was exquisite... excellent use of a Photoshop filter!!!

"Does everyone feel a bit traumatised?"
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:40 / 24.08.01
P.S: who's Michael Stipe's???
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:40 / 24.08.01
REM singer.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
09:40 / 24.08.01
"Morrison’s X-Men has one more trope in common with his Doom Patrol--their paraplegic leader seems to be keeping some sinister secrets from the team."

So, did Cassandra just happen to free herself at the same time Wolverine was asking why she looked like Charles, or did Charles let her out. Was it Cassandra scrambeling Hank's mind or was it Charles?


Also the "To my my X-Men" bit is an old old old classic line. Xavier sait it in #1 and every time the team has reformed he has said it. It's classic X-Men.
 
 
the Fool
09:40 / 24.08.01
I think its quite interesting that Morrison seems to be using ideas from the much maligned Claremont 'revolution' X-men run. Ms Nova pretty clearly looking a bit 'Neo' with that green and purple suit. Also the mutant mutants thing that was a 'neo' idea as well.
 
 
Jamieon
09:40 / 24.08.01
Ellis, why does your post contain a plot synopsis?

And why did the cover embarrass you, old boy? Is it because someone might catch a glimpse of it and assume all comic readers are a bunch of sex starved dorks? Don't worry about it - stop feeling so guilty. I love the cover, it looks great. And if you expected the White Queen's cover to exclude the rudeness quotient, then obviously your interpretaion of the character differs from mine..... I've said it over on another thread and I'll say it again: That whole look? It's the Hellfire Club in a nutshell, the White Queen in a nutshell. And maybe, just maybe, the idea behind it has less to do with fanboy lust (although I don't rule that aspect of it out) and more to do with the character herself. The comic isn't about the pornographic exploitation of the female; after all, Jean doesn't receive the same treatment. And Wolverine is always getting his kit off...... Are you really telling me his body is normal? Christ, is any mutant's body normal? Their extended body, their powers, are easily sexualised (See Flex Mentallo/your libido).

But now onto the good stuff:

- What everyone else said about the art. Fantastic. And someone mentioned "Little Nemo": absolutely.

- The constant references to Cassandra Nova as "It" and "That Creature", etc. Her motives and physiology are as alien to Homo Superior as they are to Homo Sapiens. I've been mulling over her name.... "Cassandra", the woman whose prophecies were destined to be ignored, of Gk myth fame; and then there's the "Cassanova" thing - The Great Lover. What does this tell us about her relationship to Charles? Someone mentioned the Invisibles.......
Her multitudinous powers suggest the new race of mutant mutant's abilities may only be limited by their imagination: Super adaptive and superfluid like mind itself.

- Emma's whole gig: the way she hides behind a mask of vacuity and misanthropy, and the fact that Jean can see right through it:

"We need your strength and brilliance to help us recover from this."

Oh yeah, and the fact that she's going to get herself valued.

- Cassandra's silence, but deadly obvious murderous intent.

- The Horrorshow shit: The Black Bug Room, and Scott's horrid, confused attempts to convey the Bug's "insights" into his relationship with Jean, while she drools and splutters, caught like a mouse in Cassandra's mind trap. Urrgh.... Two horribly mentally injured people struggling to have a conversation. And our Cassy's last, feeble, snapped neck attempt to pick herself up and brush herself down:

"Auum....UmMa....UmMmmMmm...Charles...."

Yuck.

- Wicked bug battlesuits ahoy.

- The Mrs. Murphy story. Grant's not afraid to bring out the horrors of mutation - to illuminate the disgust and revulsion humans might feel (and quite rightly) when confronted with their school teacher laying a bunch of eggs. Grant has such a novel take on mutation: His X Men hail taxis with their minds; sense each others sexual arousal; read each others minds to get a clearer impression of the feelings they are trying to convey, rather than resorting to clumsy language; have microscopic suns for brains...

- Nesh got to the fractal tentacle thing before me. And I thought that was gonna be my cool observation.

- Grant's Wolverine respects and cares about Cyclops, defering to him as team leader and bigging him up to Domino, whilst resenting his relationship with Jean, etc. This is a lovely, emotionally complex situation, and I really don't get the feeling that this guy is the type to just jump Jean at the earliest available opportunity - just as I'm sure Jean wouldn't jump him. Grant's playing these guys as adults: It would be too easy, too "childish" and too obvious to have Jean and Logan leap on each other as soon as Scott's out the way. But Scott? I'm not so sure about him. I think he might need a good, no holds barred, no strings attached FUCK just to get some of that tension out. Doesn't mean he will, though......

- I love the way, with each issue, it becomes more and more clear that Grant is commited to redefining the superhero genre. Firstly there's the stylistic touches: no speech bubbles, moviespeak, hyperkinetic action and plot development, condensed information download and an artist whose style redefines popular comics art. And then there's the content itself: New costumes that make the X Men look more like aid workers than superheroes; and the fact that they actually act more like aid workers than superheroes - rescuing mutants in distress from Sentinel attack; trawling through the wreckage of Genosha for survivors; opting against "war" and "domination" in favour of peace and co-operation. And, unlike the X Men of yesteryear, I'm sure Morrison will allow them to live up to this ideal whenever possible. Morrison wants to make this comic relevant to a whole new generation. The kids don't give a fuck about Byrne and Claremont and they certainly don't give a fuck about Superman. And before you say, "But kids don't read comics", I know a few that do. And I did. And many of you did.

Grant wants to make this stuff relevant because it's more fun that way, and because he has his own agenda - his own message he wants to get across to the kids: the idea that the old ways, the "human" ways are over. That the "individual" as we know it was out the moment someone uttered the words "quantum physics". In this new universe, the limits of gender, the body, sexuality and consciousness in general are limited only by the imagination. The old laws are out, as are all the old structures (brilliantly exemplified by Cyclops asserting his authority, his decisions, over Xavier's - "No formations, act on instinct!"). We have to bury the notions of what we were and accept the "mutations", beautiful and borrible.

I really like Grant's radical utopianism, and his attempts to introduce kids to the chaote, transeverything philosophies that inform his thinking.

[ 25-08-2001: Message edited by: runt ]
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:53 / 24.08.01
quote:Originally posted by runt:
Scott's horrid, confused attempts to convey the Bug's "insights" into his relationship with Jean, while she drools and splutters, caught like a mouse in Cassandra's mind trap. Urrgh.... Two horribly mentally injured people struggling to have a conversation.


All this, and he uses a Black Box Recorder chorus ("There are things we need to talk about", gotta be deliberate) for the second time in one of his comics (the first time was "Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it" in JLA).

quote:And our Cassy's last, feeble, snapped neck attempt to pick herself up and brush herself down:

"Auum....UmMa....UmMmmMmm...Charles...."


How's this for a theory (sadly not mine, but stolen): what she's trying to say is "Emma, I'm Charles" - because Cassandra successfully used Cerebra to take over that one mutant mind she wanted, dumped Xavier's mind in her old body, and then shot him.

I don't buy it, but... creepy thought.

quote:sense each others sexual arousal

Damn, that was going to be my cool observation about the Annual - I love the implication that Wolverine could smell that Domino fancied a shag...
 
 
Jamieon
11:15 / 24.08.01
That is one evil theory you've got there. I like it. It's quite twisted and persuasive. She really could be saying "Emma, I'm Charles" couldn't she? In fact, I think I like the idea so much, I'm going to decide she did.....

One thing I was meaning to ask:

Where did you get that "Cassandra Nova leads a Shiar attack on Earth" thing from?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:03 / 24.08.01
Oh, something Grant said at some comics convention or something. Was on Newsarama.
 
 
Jamieon
12:11 / 24.08.01
I knew the Shi'ar were gonna turn up. I didn't know they were gonna be led by Ms. Nova.

Ummm, if you're referring to that Shi'ar stuff that Ellis dug up on the "Grant on X Men" thread, then you've just got it wrong.

But that's great 'cause it frees up your cool plot idea. Afterall, how can Cassandra Nova disguise herself as Prof X and lead the Shi'ar army at the same time?

[ 24-08-2001: Message edited by: runt ]
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
14:33 / 24.08.01
Actually, it makes more sense that she would lead the Shi'Ar army in the guise of Charles Xavier, since Charles' girlfriend is the Empress of the Shi'Ar empire.

I love the 'Cassandra took over Charles' body' angle, becuase it makes more sense, and will make for a great story ride to come... I thought that Cassandra was saying 'Emma' too, but I didn't put together the 'I'm Charles' part...

It makes sense...it illuminates why Xavier would immediately come out as a mutant, it makes sense that the first thing he would say would be 'things have to change'.

I'm just hoping that Charles does not ever come back. the story is more powerful that way...
 
  

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