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New X-Men #118

 
  

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Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:44 / 30.10.01
I have now seen the god of all fatbeards.
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:45 / 31.10.01
so... um, you think NewXmeN will be on the 'stands tomorrow?

and as for word about Mr. XXX-man....

none!!!
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:45 / 31.10.01
if it is - someone start a nice clean thread will ya? Remember y'all stateside; we don't get the damn rag till thursday.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:45 / 31.10.01
Beyond a shadow of a doubt: it comes out tomorrow in the US. I was at a shop a few hours ago, and it was behind the counter, they refused to sell it to the actual street date.

the bastards.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:45 / 31.10.01
quote:Originally posted by aaron:
Too bad, he looked like a keeper.
Thanks, Flux, (through this and many other posts) for getting me up to date on the last 15 years or so of X-men history.



well, I'm glad that 14 or so years of my geekiness can be of some use, honestly. I would hate to think that I remember all this stuff for nothing.
 
 
adamswish
13:46 / 31.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Flux = RAD:

nah, Forge has been waaaaay out of the picture for years now. Storm never really gets any, really.


Last I saw Storm was hooking up with the Black Panther.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
18:18 / 31.10.01
Forge always looked like an unwell gay club owner, I think it was his weedy moustache that did it. I liked the way he broke up with Storm (due to the necessity of a lingering plot thread involving Destiny and Mystique) then, five issues later they got back together again...
 
 
The Natural Way
18:19 / 31.10.01
The thing is....

If Marvel want to get all their 'Nuff Said' stuff out in December (and then, of course, their Manga stuff out in January) then they've got to start meeting their deadlines. The 'Comics Onsale' section of their website is hopelessly fucked, but their 2nd to last mailer contained updated shipping dates. After this'n, 119 should be available on the 21st and 120 on the 8th of Dec. This will enable them to free up late December for the silent ish, and then they'll be back on track. Time will tell, but I choose to remain optimistic because it makes me smell nice.
 
 
Captain Zoom
18:38 / 31.10.01
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Right, so I've read it.
Question: Scott and Emma?
"She kept me awake all night."
Are we to assume that Emma's conversation was so interesting that Scott put off sleep, or did they knock boots?

Also, the attack on Beast. Does anyone else think it's weird that they wouldn't have security cameras or something down in their high-tech world?

I enjoyed the issue and I'm glad to see the 3rd Species guys moving into the spotlight. This issue obviously comes after the annual, so where do you suppose Xorn is?

Zoom.
 
 
tracypanzer
18:59 / 31.10.01
What I thought was fucking eerie was when Cyclops handed Jean the kleenex and said how everyone had the flu. The timing w/ the anthrax scare/symptoms is creepy. Or I'm reading way too much into things cause I'm all freaked out right now...
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
19:57 / 31.10.01
I think it is pretty obvious that SOMETHING is going on between Scott and Emma.

I didn't think about the lack of security cameras, but hey, that's some necessary suspension-of-disbelief stuff there...

the art was shaky...some panels would be really impressive, others would look very amateurish. Why does he draw EVERYONE so stiff? Why does Emma have a different face in every panel?
Why does Angel's dad, who is apparently black, NOT look at all like a black man?

Loved the 'Jean talking sense to the protesters' scene. Finally, the 'pacifist' thing comes out in the open.
 
 
Tamayyurt
20:18 / 31.10.01
I freaked when I read the flu thing and of course thought ANTHRAX! But, then again, I live in florida where you hear that word every second... damned hypersigils!

This issue was great but ended way too quickly and had way too many ads.

Xorn? He was in a chinese prison for 50 years... I'm sure he's learning english, fucking like a bunny, and taking a nice loooooong showers. He'll show up just let him chill for once in his miserable life!
 
 
The Natural Way
11:18 / 01.11.01
I don't know how long I can hold out. It's in my bag, along with the final ish of Stray Bullets, Snakes and Ladders & Promethea, and the anus is fit to burst...........
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
12:45 / 01.11.01
you know, after having read it twice, I really don't like the opening sequence of 118. it's just so damned contrived, the dialog is a bit too...Joe Casey?...for my tastes, it doesn't sound at all like Grant wrote it.

Why is a guy who just shot someone in front of a bunch of other kids going off on a long, long, long monologue? Why isn't anyone cutting him off? Why is his dialogue so fucking hokey? Why is the front splash page drawn with absolutely no sense of composition? Why is it that the angle of that hand that takes up so much of the page not the same as what I would assume would be the same hand on the guy lying dead on the floor on the next page?

If those are the dead guy's eyeballs, why does he still have them? or is it that some other guy he shot? why is that not clear?

so sloppy.
 
 
Captain Zoom
12:50 / 01.11.01
The flu symptoms was one of those things I think Grant threw in that will blow up in about 10 issues, just when everyone thought it was nothing.

Newly engineered strain of Legacy virus?

Nah.

Virus mutating mutants back into humans, just as humans are using surgery to mutate into, well, mutants? Now that would be neat.

Zoom.
 
 
Captain Zoom
12:52 / 01.11.01
Also, can I just say how fucking great it is to have a new GM comic every month to discuss like this. I really, really missed this stuff.

Zoom.
 
 
tracypanzer
13:03 / 01.11.01
Yeah, the whole flu thing smacks of foreshadowing. The timing of it creeps the hell out of me though. Anyone want to start a petition saying from here on out Morrison will only write about cute little puppy dogs or something? See what kind of an effect that would have on current events...
 
 
The Natural Way
17:31 / 01.11.01
Actually I quite liked the twart at the beginning - the eyeballs were funny and then...you know, just when you were thinking, "C'mon, you'd better fuck off now, Twart", he gets a bullet in the head. Very satisfying. In fact, this ish was big on the funnies: Emma's girls, "Genosha's mutants tried to start a war with the world!" and the mass bliss out, Sublime's statues depicting man arising from the ooze and, finally, his limp wristed, new-age ascent to the stars, the newscaster's tittycow milking fantasy, Angel's cliched, Jerry Springer style homelife.....

And then there's the other little details:

1. Olympic Athletes refusing X gene tests, suicide notes written in luminous blood, references to mutant "styles" and "ideas" becoming trendy, human's seeking to transcend their limitations by recuperating mutant organs.... This story arc (and Morrison's run in general) is one massive brain storming session re: what the guh? would happen if our world collided with an insane, mass incursion of novelty. And I love it.

2. Magneto as the new Che Guevera. Of course. The spectacle claims us all in the end.

3. Beast is massive. Massive beast. The naysayers can fuck off; Morrison's taken charge and Hank McCoy is everything he always should have been. Did you notice him carving the "X" into his bedsheet. Wuh? Do you think he's trying to tell them something? Eh? Eh?

4. Emma's irreverence: Her insistence on calling Prof X "Charles Xavier". She's no man's lacky, and nobody is above reproach. And all that.

5. Yeah, the pacifist thing.

6. But also the militancy. Unrecognised by the power elite, the mutants have started to play by their own rules.

7. Angel. A cipher for what mutantdom should be all about - miraculous and disgusting. Sublime.

8. And just like a fly, confused and frightened by the swatter, she fries herself.

9. Is that a voodoo mutant brain?

"Something in my head..."

10. Evil, evil John Sublime. I'm sure you noticed the U Men van outside the institute, right?

11. Snikt. Sciver's good at the cliffhanger panels, isn't he?

But not at much else. And that's my main complaint. While I don't completely hate the art, it belongs to that Chris Weston school of "Attempting realism/naturalism but failing miserably". Sciver's Cyclops looks like a twat, and everyone, like in a Weston strip, has funny morphing heads. And everything Flux said. Splash panels SHOULD NOT look that crap.

And I don't agree that it was too short. As in all of Morrison's new stuff, the plot moves at a breakneck pace, but loads happens.

[ 01-11-2001: Message edited by: young runt ]
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:07 / 01.11.01
Felt it to be both FAST & PACKED....

seems to me the art's improving though yes there where rough spots... I'm hopeful it'll evolve.

Loved the carved X... those are some SHARP claws...

EMMA!!! woah!!!

Jean's so damn mature, Mutant's go home indeed!!!

I don't think Scott Summers would simply have avoided Jeans question... I don't think they've bumpt uglies.... (yet?)

Has anyone noticed how many (pre-)pubicant mutant girls Wolvie's always hanging out with???

How did those U-men sneak up on emma?

does anyone know if FQ's drawing the next issue??
 
 
Captain Zoom
09:21 / 02.11.01
According to gm.com Scriver's on til 120, then FQ returns. 120 is the final part of "Germ Free Generation"

Zoom.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:07 / 02.11.01
How did those U-men sneak up on emma?

She carny be doing the psychic scan thing all the time, you know.

And, I repeat:

Is that a voodoo mutant brain?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:49 / 02.11.01
liked the transformation of human into fly - seemed the natural choice of mutation to put under the social, scientific and philosophical microscope.

Obviously:

a fly is considered vermin. Mutants are also considered vermin. (not by me, man - I think they're cool)

a fly is an insect - typically a symbol of rebirth (which is what the young 'ho' is undergoing - (she reminded me of that timid ladycop from police academy)). It's also grant's animal metaphor for higher dimensional intelligence. re: insectoid 4d armour suits in Invisibles, humans as larval spawn spread ascross multifarious dimensions. etc. blah)

But yeah - this was a very funny issue (see above comments by runt etc). The absurd freakish wonky insanity of the final few pages ( a pincushioned brain in a desk drawer! - the anaesthetising of the flygirl in the back of a van!!) had me hawking flem produced by a mighty skunk reefer all over this issue.

It's all so bloody post-invisibles!

Definitely not 'pre-jack'.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:08 / 02.11.01
let's for a moment break into song:

"I'm a human fly/ I saw buzz buzz buzz and it's just because/ I'm a human fly/ and I don't know why..." - The Cramps

"I am the fly/ in the ointment/ I can spread more disease than the fleas/ which nibble away/ at your window display/ Yes I am the fly in the ointment/ I shake you down to say please as you/ accept the next dose of disease" - Wire

[ 02-11-2001: Message edited by: Flux = Rad ]
 
 
bio k9
20:02 / 02.11.01
quote:Originally posted by F = R:
Why does Angel's dad, who is apparently black, NOT look at all like a black man?


Well...in their first panel the mom and little sister don't look black either. Mom looks like she might be something other than white in the next panel but maybe not. And then theres this: "She's not what you think. She's not yours. She's not even yours!" Dads not really the Dad so theres no reason he should be black.

Other than that I agree completely. And I wish Art Adams was the fill in artist.
 
 
bio k9
20:05 / 02.11.01
And why is Cyclops' neck so goddamn long on the cover?
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:18 / 02.11.01
Also there was that "Muuu" uttered in the back of the VAN when Wolvie enters...

...Did anyone else get a flash of that young mutant as a COW being lead to slaughter????

I wonder what "power" would be derived from that glowing pink liquid sucked out from said "voodoo Brain"

& Yes... nothing like a Skunk Spliff or a PHAT Bowl along with a GM read!!!
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:36 / 03.11.01
quote:Originally posted by aaron:
What I thought was fucking eerie was when Cyclops handed Jean the kleenex and said how everyone had the flu


Even Wolver-'Mr Healing Factor'-ine, so I'm not quite sure why they seem unconcerned.

And, although I agree the splash page was crap I liked the artwork, I think his Beast more succesfully captures what Morrison is intending than Quitely's.
 
 
rizla mission
14:02 / 03.11.01
Several blatant product placement gags in this issue - Jean eating Fritos, Cyclops using Kleenex.. reckon there's something up with that?
 
 
bio k9
14:32 / 03.11.01
Both Fritos and Kleenex are spelled differently (due to copyright law I'd imagine) so I'd say its safe to assume its an attempt to show the XMen interacting with objects in the real world rather than some sort of advertising scheme.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
20:47 / 03.11.01
I'm wondering why I'm the only guy who isn't convinced that the flu thing wasn't a big deal, and just Grant's attempt to say "hey, even mutants get sick".
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:28 / 03.11.01
The "even Logan" would suggest otherwise - it's a blatant "hint, hint". Plus, what's the title of this story again? Aha...

Relly good bits this issue (will try not to mention ones mentioned above unless they're extra special great):

1. Emma Frost, generally. You can tell that GM is having great fun writing her, and while the "ex-villain on side of angels" thing has been done to death, I like that she hasn't had a complete personality makeover - as she said in the annual, it's not always about "good" and "evil". I love the fact that she genuinely seems to love teaching, and her students, and that that's her redeeming feature - and her Midwich Cuckoos girls were great (the "bliss buttons" slightly less so, seemed a bit too "look what we can get away with now!").

2. "The X-Men is a volunteer rescue and emergency organisation."

"Unappointed by any recognised agency."

"...We kind of felt forced to appoint ourselves."

Brilliant. That's exactly what they are: not superheroes (what are *they* for, anyway?). They have a purpose, and it's one that we can understand, and admire.

3. John Sublime. There's something about Tony Blair about him: his smiling, reasonable but almost noticeable insincere mask of respectability... Underneath which he's a very nasty man. Also like the way he's quite right about Scott and Emma: those two anyway *are* a little swaggering and arrogant, and it's in part this cockiness that gets them caught out.

4. Angel. She's so... fly. Superfly.

5. The end sequence. Grant Morrison does what only the X-Men movie could do so far: make reasonable people think "Gut 'em, Wolverine!". Or maybe he's just giving us an excuse. Who cares? That panel of Logan on the bike in the rain is the best thing involving the character *ever*. And nice characterisation: "Stay outta my mind for awhile, Jean" - he's going to do the nasty stuff that has to be done... That and the ugliness of what's in the van: it's the kind of thing that makes Jack Fear quote Elijah Snow about wanting to kill these people.


Less than good things:

1. The entire first five pages. Geek-boy's dialogue clunks where it should click a bit, if you know what I mean. Reminded me a bit too much of Mark Millar - sacrificing naturalism to squeeze in the jokes/ideas, which sometimes works, but not in this scene. And then we get another big splash credits sequence - I can see what GM is going for here, and it worked very well at the start of 'E Is For Extinction', but this just seemed a bit unnecessary.

2. Is it me, or are the X-Men still a bit thick? Forget the whole Cassandra/Xavier thing, doesn't it occur to anyone that Logan having the flu is odd?

3. Where. Is. Xorn? Apart from "being held in reserve for a deus ex machine ending"? Tsk.

4. The art is... inconsistent. Both in terms of quality, and just generally in the way people's faces change. The odd panel can be really good - Angel's furious, tearful "There's nothing wrong with me!", Logan in the rain... okay, that's two. Far be it for me to tell a professional artist how to do his job, but is it to much to ask Van Sciver to decide what kind of face each character has, and stick to it? (Not that Quitely is great at this, but he has ways of distracting you...)

Enough for now - possibly too much. I actually liked this issue a lot more than I expected...
 
 
Hush
22:31 / 03.11.01
Because GM doesn't waste anything. It all carries the plot forward.

[ 04-11-2001: Message edited by: Luke Wing ]
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:08 / 03.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:
2. "The X-Men is a volunteer rescue and emergency organisation."

"Unappointed by any recognised agency."

"...We kind of felt forced to appoint ourselves."


Thunderbirds are go.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:39 / 04.11.01
>>> I can see what GM is going for here, and it worked very well at the start of 'E Is For Extinction', but this just seemed a bit unnecessary.<<<

Yeah, and we get two less pages of story, which is mildly irritating. He did the "roll call" thing in JLA also, but there at least it was down the side and didn't take up two entire pages.

I also wouldn't have minded so much if it was Quitely instead of Van Sciver. Van Sciver is competent, I guess, but completely unremarkable. With his issues I tend to skim over the artwork and only read the word balloons. When Frank's drawing, it takes me twice as long to finish the book because I get lost in the gorgeous artwork.

[ 04-11-2001: Message edited by: CameronStewart ]
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
15:23 / 04.11.01
you know which page really bugs me?

the one that has three panels, and Jean is walking around the mansion and notices the protesters outside...

can someone tell me why Van Sciver thought it was necessary to make the middle panel that looks at her from above
so extremely jarring in perspective?... ie, why is that angle necessary to begin with in terms of dramatic pacing -- ie, is she being watched from that angle? why THAT angle? And, it if was to be from that angle, why that orientation, it makes you have to flip the comic a bit to let it scan...

Van Sciver just maddens me...he is obviously a good draftsman, but his flaws just scream out to me...I figure that maybe five or six years from now, he'll be really impressive, but he's got a lot of learning to do...

and lord, does he ever have to get over his Neal Adams fixation...

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