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New X-Men #118

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The Natural Way

21:57 / 29.10.01

No, I haven't read it yet; just thought I'd set up a thread ahead of time. Actually I've read loads of it, cause between marvel.com and comicscontinuum you can read no less than 9 pages - that's NINE pages! Damn these overeager fanboy eyes.....

Regrettable Juvenilia

10:12 / 30.10.01

There's even more of the issue here if you scroll down and click on the panels to the left.

The art is... starting to show its limitations. It's not bad, by any means, but maybe just a little ordinary? Hard not to imagine also what, for example, the panels featuring the new Angel waking up in her 'cocoon', surrounded by U-Men, might have looked like had FQ drawn them...

[ 30-10-2001: Message edited by: Flyboy ]

The Natural Way

10:42 / 30.10.01

You. Utter. Bastard.

I'm going to have to read those panels now.

The Natural Way

10:45 / 30.10.01

And now I'm going to have to concede wrongness re the whole annual thing.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

11:17 / 30.10.01

I can't remember, were you trying to say that the annual was after 117? I guess you would be wrong, re: "We closed down your Hong Kong operation and we intend to close you down, you greasy little stain of a man."

Ronald Thomas Clontle

11:36 / 30.10.01

ha! this has got to be my single favorite panel of New X-Men thus far, the top right corner of this page:

Yes, Miss Frost!

[ 30-10-2001: Message edited by: Flux = RAD ]

The Natural Way

13:01 / 30.10.01

I like that too. I have seen the face of evil and it is the schoolgirl hive mind.

yawn - thing's buddy

13:09 / 30.10.01

tis a good panel. well spotted. you are special. perhaps even a mutant.

'yes, miss frost' - (sub/dom wank fantasy strand?)

Ronald Thomas Clontle

13:29 / 30.10.01

now, assuming that Grant is pulling the old fiction suit trick in New X-Men, and he could possibly be using the female characters as models for potential girlfriends/sexual partners, I'm wondering who it is Grant is fancying, Emma or Jean...they go off in such different directions. Perhaps his girlfriend is a little bit of them both...

yawn - thing's buddy

13:38 / 30.10.01

looks more like frost, seems more like jean.

honest.

bumbed into grant and kristan on buchanan street glasgow the other day (as you do). grant was quite small - kinda king micro mob and kristan was as described.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

13:43 / 30.10.01

I think that Grant Morrison is the only celeb type person who that I feel as though if I met them, I would be a tongue tied mess in the throes of hero worship.

But to my credit, I felt the same way about meeting Stephen Malkmus, and when I did, I did just fine. But that may be because I wisely kept. my. mouth. shut.

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:45 / 30.10.01

quote:Originally posted by yawn:
'yes, miss frost' - (sub/dom wank fantasy strand?)

I've been amazed at the amount of sub/dom stuff in NXM so far. "You can't form a single thought"... "Your nasty auntie Emma"... "Time for you to learn the basics of life as a domestic pet"... Emma and Cassandra = good dom/bad dom? Hmmm.

There was a lot of this subtext/text in Claremont's stuff though, from what I've seen, so it's hardly surprising. Emma Frost and the rest of the Hellfire Club were always blatantly raging perverts.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

13:54 / 30.10.01

what does it say about the current state of the X-Men franchise that the theme pops up in each of the three core comics...Emma is a dominatrix from the Hellfire Club in New X-Men, ditto Tessa in Xtreme X-Men, and Uncanny X-Men features a mutant prostitute named Xstacy.

13:55 / 30.10.01

What's up w/ the Hellfire Club these days? Didn't they have their own school a few years back that squared off against the New Mutants?

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:58 / 30.10.01

Sentinels killed them all (almost all, anyway). It was feeling guilty about this that first made Emma Frost turn to the side of good, I believe. Not that the New Mutant survival/success rate was very high...

14:01 / 30.10.01

Did they kill off the Mastermind? Would love to see Morrison's take on him.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

14:07 / 30.10.01

Yes, Emma headed up the Massachusetts Academy, where she taught the Hellions, who were the New Mutants rivals. The Hellions were slaughtered by Sentinels from the future in the story that introduced Bishop. Emma drifted around for a while, popping up frequently in Uncanny X-Men, and psychologically torturing Iceman. She then started up a new version of the Mass. Academy with Banshee, and that was the Generation X comic. That operation somehow collapsed, and she got a teaching job in Genosha, and then came to teach at Xavier Institute.

I do like that nearly since the beginning, Emma has ALWAYS been a teacher. and a dominatrix. Chris Claremont must have had some pretty naughty schoolboy fantasies...

The Hellfire Club still exists, but isn't quite what it used to be. A lot of personal ambition in the 'inner circle' led to some of them dying (like Donald Pierce), and some of them going off to do their own thing (like Sebastian Shaw).

Mastermind did die, of the Legacy virus.

The Natural Way

14:20 / 30.10.01

I'd love to see Grant's take on the Hellfire Club, but it might be a bit predictable: vere la costeish with lots of leather, more ruthless ambition and courtly intrigue.

Actually, this must happen.

14:23 / 30.10.01

Maybe involve the Morlocks in some way. Or did they get killed off, too?

14:23 / 30.10.01

i don't think it will happ just cos it would be a bit predictable... there so much other stuff... [/LIST]

Ronald Thomas Clontle

14:26 / 30.10.01

Well, he probably will touch on it, just cos Emma's there it may come up. Maybe not as a full-on story, but as an element of one.

Hm. Maybe he'll work it into the story with Jean becoming a 'goddess', like a top-to-bottom reworking of the Dark Phoenix story...he's got the Shi'Ar in the story now too...

man, I wish he'd just take every good idea Claremont had back then and throw in Kitty Pryde while he's at it.

14:31 / 30.10.01

Has there been talk of him writing other characters (Nightcrawler, Storm, Kitty Pryde, etc)into it? Or is he sticking w/ the folks he has now plus some new ones (Xorn, et al)?

Ronald Thomas Clontle

14:45 / 30.10.01

From what he's said, Grant is sticking with his core faculty line-up (Charles, Logan, Scott, Jean, Emma, and Henry) plus new characters like Angel, Xorn, and the new Islamic chick.

Nightcrawler 'belongs' to Joe Casey in Uncanny, Storm and Kitty are Claremont's over in Xtreme.

I think Grant's group is well chosen for group dynamics and very likeable, I just wish that Nightcrawler and Kitty were in, like, y'know, a READABLE comic just cos I've always liked those two a lot.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

14:51 / 30.10.01

quote:Originally posted by aaron:
Maybe involve the Morlocks in some way. Or did they get killed off, too?

ha! only about a million times over!

I would say that the Morlocks are a well-flogged concept, especially in the light of them getting their own miniseries or something soon, and Casey putting Morlock-equivalents in the tunnels under London in his last story.

I don't think Morlocks figure into Grant's "we're here, we're [s]queer[/s] mutants, get used to it" approach to mutant politics...

Regrettable Juvenilia

14:54 / 30.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Flux = RAD:
I would say that the Morlocks are a well-flogged concept, especially in the light of them getting their own miniseries or something soon...

Oh, the geek urge is strong, and I can't help myself... Where did you hear/read this? And <whisper>is this the thing with Marrow in it I've heard about</whisper>?

Ronald Thomas Clontle

15:31 / 30.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:

Where did you hear/read this? And <whisper>is this the thing with Marrow in it I've heard about</whisper>?

oh, I read about it in Wizard or something like that. it's a miniseries that follows a Morlock sect in Chicago or something, and deals with their little quirks or somewhat. No Marrow, though.

I didn't really read Alan Davis' run, because whenever I would look at them they would look so Kurt Busiek-retro-crap I felt dirty just thumbing through them...didn't Marrow die or get seriously ill in his run?

I loved Joe Kelly's Marrow though. He wrote Dr. Reyes, Maggott, Cannonball, Beast, and Storm very well...

and I should add that I've always found Storm horribly boring and pointless.

15:43 / 30.10.01

Even during her punk rock phase? Also, are Storm and that Forge guy still together?

Ronald Thomas Clontle

16:15 / 30.10.01

quote:Originally posted by aaron:
Even during her punk rock phase? Also, are Storm and that Forge guy still together?

nah, Forge has been waaaaay out of the picture for years now. Storm never really gets any, really.

16:37 / 30.10.01

Too bad, he looked like a keeper.
Thanks, Flux, (through this and many other posts) for getting me up to date on the last 15 years or so of X-men history.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

17:12 / 30.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Flux = RAD:
Chris Claremont must have had some pretty naughty schoolboy fantasies...

Mastermind did die, of the Legacy virus.

Claremont is fairly notorious in some NYC BDSM circles apparently. It's been a theme in his work for ages and ages. Apparently he got into it as a side effect of his work with the Golden Dawn in the late 70's.

Unconfirmed sources claim that CC enjoys a good fisting from time to time...

ONLY NICE THINGS

17:58 / 30.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Flux = RAD:
Perhaps his girlfriend is a little bit of them both...

(There is the sound of a cork popping, and something resembling iguana spittle sprays a signed copy of Sebastian O, fortunately sealed in lucite)

God, I love it when we discuss the possible characteristics of comic writers' girlfriends. Between that and the mental image of Chris Claremont getting fisted (thank Christ I don't know what he looks like), I am certainly in no sense ashamed to be at least partially a human being.

[ 30-10-2001: Message edited by: The Lower Haus ]

18:33 / 30.10.01

He's a fatbeard Haus.

Enjoy the imagery.

19:04 / 30.10.01

Enjoy...

ONLY NICE THINGS

19:23 / 30.10.01

Fuck me. I wouldn't put my fist up that if my veterinary practice depended on it.

20:17 / 30.10.01

two flippant comments

1) If Claremont enjoys being fisted then whyever did he leave Marvel in the 90's when Editorial seemed to be fisting their writers and artists on a daily basis
2) Judging by the expression Claremont might be being fisted in that very photo

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