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Star Trek (2009 film)

 
  

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jebni
10:23 / 12.04.09
I saw Star Trek last week at the Sydney premiere, and lo, it was very, very good. I exchanged a couple of incoherent words with John Cho (Sulu) and director J.J. Abrams afterwards, even! They were gracious, and also seemed genuinely excited that they were onto something, uh, actually good.

The film manages to stay pretty true to established Trek continuity, but also stakes out a mandate for Abrams and writers Orci and Kurtzman to follow their instincts and do whatever the hell they want. Basically, they both have their cake and eat it, managing to honour both the letter and spirit of Trek while being quite selective about what that might mean. It's a cross between a remake, a reimagining, a reboot and an unerringly canonical Trek movie. And through sheer chutzpah, it works.

And yes, Star Trek is all about chutzpah. It emphasises the brash, swaggering aspect of Trek over the elements of wonder and lyricism that are usually balanced alongside it; it's as if the film was made to answer one question: "What if we could take Shatner's Kirk seriously, and without irony?" This means emphasising some of the dodgiest aspects of the original series: a throbbing phallocentrism; essentialist ideas about "humanity"; a somewhat dubious politics of race and species; ridiculous green-skinned Orion women, etc. While technically unironic, this claptrap is still delivered with such verve and good humour that as with Trek generally, it hasn't dampened my overall enthusiasm. Basically, the unreconstructedness works much better than in Transformers. (And on the topic of humour, there was a lot of slapstick, and it wasn't terrible. It's the funniest Trek movie since, well, ST:IV. And possibly the best Trek since The Wrath of Khan.)

The new film uses the same "franchise surgery" strategy that Nicholas Meyer pursued in Khan. Spock's human half is unduly emphasised, which makes Zachary Quinto's casting make even more sense -- there's now a constant sense of suppressed rage to the character. I wonder how Quinto will refine his approach over successive films -- and yes, I think sequels are a no-brainer. And that refinement-of-the-future is my main worry, overall: will the franchise stay in hyperkinetic, spectacular overdrive mode, or will it also make room for the more stately and chin-stroking aspects of Trek? Time will tell. Also: little to no mindfuck. Generally, this is high-adrenaline, low-ideas Trek. Abrams' instinctive preference for Star Wars over Trek is consistently on display, but it's done with such panache, and the writing so loving, that I'm willing to forgive this. There is one huge opportunity for trauma and melancholy, slightly lost amongst this film's many explosions, that will hopefully be explored in the future, possibly much as Ron Moore's Galactica mined what the original so often repressed.

A grab-bag of observations: Classic catchphrases (and a fair few sound effects) from the original series are strewn everywhere, and somehow feel new. (Lots of "Dammit, Jim," communicator beeps, etc. Fans were greatly outnumbered at the premiere by glitterati, but the whole theatre seemed to cheer at the right moments.) Stuff that felt wrong in the publicity stills, like the bridge looking like a Christmas tree, work fine on screen. The idea that the Enterprise has lower decks that look like lower decks also works in context. Eric Bana's Romulan villain unfortunately had very little to do, as if he'd stepped off the set of the last movie, but the film's not really about him. Nimoy = slightly impish in his vintage years. The film also makes a retroactive co-option of slash, which is eyebrow-raising, but also undermining (in a heteronormative way) to the whole basis of Trek slash. Phaser pistols have a nice, mechanical action to them. The film's idea of Starfleet meritocracy completely stretches credulity, but you'll want to accept it. Certain aspects the TOS "Balance of Terror" continuity seem to be inexplicably circumvented, but fanwank should take care of that. A cinematographic emphasis on in-yer-face closeups made everything bold and fiery -- you could see Chris Pine's acne scars in their full glory! Alas, I found Pegg's performance as Scotty to be of variable quality. Kobayashi Maru! Kobayashi Maru! Kobayashi Maru! You also find out who originally programmed the Kobayashi Maru scenario! Given Abrams' enthusiasm for the endless Enterprise reveal in The Motion Picture, there was a puzzling lack of "Enterprise porn", despite its good looks -- it's all about the people. (And I'm not talking about depth of character, here. It's more about classic archetypes.)

Also, something you'd never guess would work in a Trek film, but somehow does: a soundtrack that features the Beastie Boys.

So despite some reservations, I was utterly charmed by this film.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:10 / 13.04.09
I think everyone involved with this film should be publicly executed.

And who, honestly, in their heart of hearts, can possibly disagree?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:21 / 13.04.09
Okay, I haven't seen it, but I'd still rather go through the nightmare of generating children, and then killing, frying up, and eating them (possibly going a bit far here, but ideas have their own logic, I fear, so ...) and then boiling up the resultant waste as a milk substitute, or something, than watch the appalling shite that everyone knows, for sure, that this film is going to be.

Damn straight.
 
 
jebni
08:11 / 13.04.09
J.J. YOU RAPED MAH CHILDHOOD!!!!

Not really.
 
 
grant
17:31 / 13.04.09
Spock's human half is unduly emphasised, which makes Zachary Quinto's casting make even more sense -- there's now a constant sense of suppressed rage to the character.

That's actually accurate to the show - in the pilot ("The Menagerie"), the old under-Christoper-Pike Spock was a little more off the handle. He shouted out coordinates and glared a lot.
 
 
buttergun
18:33 / 13.04.09
>>It emphasises the brash, swaggering aspect of Trek over the elements of wonder and lyricism that are usually balanced alongside it;<<

In other words, it's like all of the other rehashed shit we're inundated with in this miserable age -- all bluster and forced drama and style, but zero substance.
 
 
This Sunday
19:09 / 13.04.09
all bluster and forced drama and style, but zero substance.

Star Trek! It is you!

(also: Khaaaaaan!!!)
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:34 / 13.04.09
I liked the bit where buttergun quoted jebni and managed to claim that ze was saying exactly the opposite of what ze actually was.
 
 
buttergun
17:07 / 14.04.09
>>Star Trek! It is you!<<

Ha! So if I'm Star Trek, then that makes you...what? "Hannah Montana: The Movie?"
 
 
Spaniel
17:28 / 14.04.09
I think DD meant that that quote describes Star Trek, rather than you, to a tee.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
19:12 / 14.04.09
Ha! So if I'm Star Trek, then that makes you...what? "Hannah Montana: The Movie?"

OOOOOOOOH BURN!

or, as we used to say, FACE!
 
 
This Sunday
05:03 / 15.04.09
I think DD meant that that quote describes Star Trek, rather than you, to a tee.

I did, but it's worth the misinterpretation to be called out as Hannah Montana.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:21 / 15.04.09
Awful, isn't it, DD? To be compared to a film centring around a woman?

You got schooled.
 
 
jebni
06:12 / 15.04.09
That's actually accurate to the show - in the pilot ("The Menagerie"), the old under-Christoper-Pike Spock was a little more off the handle. He shouted out coordinates and glared a lot.

Very true, but I read Menagerie-Spock as impulsive, whereas there seems to be something pathological about Quinto-Spock. (Trying to steer away from spoilers, but there's a scene involving his tortured childhood. O mean Vulcan kidz!) Of course, I could be over-reading.

In other words, it's like all of the other rehashed shit we're inundated with in this miserable age -- all bluster and forced drama and style, but zero substance.

There's not much I can really say to this, except to note that I must exist wholly outside what appears to be your reactive and unfulfillable nostalgia for a nonexistent past of purity and depth in Hollywood science fiction blockbusters. I'm also puzzled by your unwillingness to consider that things might be elegant, well-wrought and (shock) enjoyable without requiring said fantasies of morose weightiness. This movie's merits are certainly debatable, and its departure from Trek's (sometimes embarrassing) emphasis on Teh Moral raises questions about how thoughtful Abrams' ongoing approach will be, but to take such concerns out of context as fuel for knee-jerk, sweeping statements about the state of contemporary culture isn't something I can run with.
 
 
This Sunday
07:27 / 15.04.09
Awful, isn't it, DD?

It really is. I think I'll spend the rest of my life in shame.

In other more Trek-related news, this is the first big budget FX-y movie I've actually been excited about in too long. The bit in the preview with kid-Kirk and the car should, in its bare elements, annoy me like the Thunderbirds movie, but [i]it does not![/i]

I think, no matter what crew, what TV show, you prefer, when it comes to movies, these are the characters that have served us best.
 
 
Quantum
07:56 / 15.04.09
I can't wait to see it, and the inevitable new franchise- maybe it will expunge the memory of Bakula.
 
 
Spaniel
10:04 / 15.04.09
Yeah, I’m excited too. I’m not a big Trek fan but this looks fun and flashy and nostalgia pumpy and exactly the kind of thing I want to watch in these dark times.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:04 / 15.04.09
I will only watch it if the new Kirk talks.

Like.

The Shat.
 
 
buttergun
13:34 / 16.04.09
Look, my problem is moreso with the rehashed garbage we’re continually fed by Hollywood. It’s all remakes, remakes, remakes. And the sad thing is, there’s a large portion out there who just doesn’t know any better. For example, my wife is Malaysian Chinese and her family moved here to the US about 13 years ago. My father and brother-in-law are huge Star Wars fans…yet they’d only seen these ultra-shit “prequels.” That’s all they thought of when they thought “Star Wars” – of those cgi-laden crapfests complete with Jamaican patois-speaking cartoon characters. It was only after my urgings that they checked out the original, “real” Star Wars trilogy…and they still preferred the new ones. Why? Because they were new. Again, a vast majority prefers anything “new,” particularly in the Asian countries. Hong Kong audiences are notorious for not giving a damn about anything over a year old.

I mean, this new Star Trek with its “swagger” and its Beastie Boys soundtrack – why does it have to BE Star Trek? Why couldn’t Abrams et al have made their own little sci-fi picture? This is what Joss Whedon attempted with “Firefly,” at least. I want to make this clear: I’m not even a Star Trek fan, so it’s not like I have a personal grudge against it. I’m just burnt out on this spate of remade shit. Seriously – the film versions of Bewitched, Mod Squad, Dukes of Hazard, etc – can ANYONE say they actually preferred them to the originals? But no, Abrams’ Star Trek had to BE Star Trek because otherwise the execs and studios couldn’t rake in the cash. Anything with “Star Trek” on it is guaranteed to make more dough than some “Star Trek-inspired” show.

But I think Hollywood needs to get with it and start remaking TV shows into movies…while the TV shows are still on the air.

Think of it! They could remake Lost…with Tom Cruise as Jack! Russell Crowe as Sawyer! Sandra Bullock as Kate! Jack Black as Hurley! I mean, just think of the cash they could make!

Oooh…and they could have the Beastie Boys on the soundtrack!
 
 
buttergun
13:47 / 16.04.09
>>I did, but it's worth the misinterpretation to be called out as Hannah Montana.<<

Sorry, Daytime Decadent, I misread your post and obviously jumped the gun.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
17:59 / 16.04.09
I would like to see more original stories and fewer remakes in film. But with today's gigantic film budgets, it does make sense to make things with a name that will bring more viewers, or to let a lower-risk medium, like books, try out new ideas to see what's popular before you make a movie.

the idea that some writer/director loved story X when he was a kid and wants to see what it could be with today's technology and budgets running behind it has some appeal to me.

I definitely prefer "remakes" like Star Trek and Nu Who, where they're using previously developed settings and characters but writing a new story, to actual remakes like Willy Wonka, which stood to gain almost nothing by being remade.

as for Star Wars - while the dialogue and acting were in pretty much everyone's opinion superior in the originals, and the comic relief was much less annoying, I think it's still pretty hard to introduce anyone to them after they grew up with the prequels. the fight choreography of the originals is almost as clunky as the computer GUIs. and while CGI is still not great at making cool aliens the way puppets and makeup can, it is very useful for designing battles that feel much more epic in scope.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:34 / 16.04.09
eriously – the film versions of Bewitched, Mod Squad, Dukes of Hazard, etc – can ANYONE say they actually preferred them to the originals?

YES! YES! YES! These series are masterpieces. They are the greatest products of our culture, and they must be PROTECTED!

Man. I really thought we'd seen the best of you as the pied piper of misogyny over in the Lost thread, buttergun, but you're just knocking them out of the park at the moment. It's like a rich vein of form has been uncovered.

While we're here, let's stake out the director of Get Smart on a nest of fire ants.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:37 / 16.04.09
Sorry, Daytime Decadent, I misread your post and obviously jumped the gun.

The buttergun?


Ahem, sorry. Kind of had to.

I'm really looking forward to this, as I quite like the sort of geek that JJ Abrams and crew are. Love Lost, love Alias (even the shit parts), and I have to say MI3 was a fantastic little action movie. Oh, and Cloverfield was a great monster movie. There is nothing lofty about his geekery, it's there for pure geek fun, throwing in all the shit that AICN readers like. I mean, FFS, the new Trek has Winona in it! That says it all right there.

It looks good, all the advance reviews have been ecstatic, Eric Bana rocks shit usually. And it's got big fucking spaceships shooting at each other. I'm down for some of that.

Just because it's a remake doesn't mean it automatically is going to be bad. That's extremely jaded and brings to mind things like "books" and "covers."

Of course I'm of the "Be excited until you are horribly let down" mindset with most things of this nature, so feel free to ignore me.
 
 
buttergun
21:06 / 16.04.09
>>pied piper of misogyny over on the Lost thread<<

You've lost me there.
 
 
buttergun
21:10 / 16.04.09
And to belabor the point -- my argument isn't even over the QUALITY of those old shows -- it's how they're just rehashed and chucked back at us as remakes. Especially with Star Trek...at one point there seems to have been several Trek-related shows on the air, but I assume they fizzled out. And the "Next Generation" movies too lost steam. So what do they do? I've got it -- let's remake the Star Trek that WAS popular! They might as well just go all the way -- why not a remake of Star Trek II, while they're at it? Dana Carvey could reprise his Khan portrayal from that SNL spoof in the '80s.
 
 
buttergun
21:17 / 16.04.09
Wait, I think I have it now on the "misogyny" comment. Are you STILL talking about that Ana Lucia thing? My god man, that was YEARS ago! And as I kept saying until I was blue in the face THEN -- I hated the character, not women in general! Let it go, man...I mean, I forgave you for The Return of Bruno!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:52 / 16.04.09
You've lost me there.

Happy to help, old chap! By repeatedly calling Ana Lucia a bitch, and then a latina bitch and a latina wench, you encouraged other little chaps with angry ants in their heads to call her a latina bitch, a latina cunt. Well done, old chap. Well done!

And then, better and better, when people suggested that maybe this outbreak of weirdness was maybe not reflecting well on those who would like in the future not to be thought of as having broken bread with a disquieting dick-end, you responded:

To claim the anti-AL sentiments on this board is misogynistic is tree-hugging of the vilest sort, because, well, she's not a real person. If I said the actress is a stupid bitch who deserves to die, then that would be misogynistic.

I can't imagine what you would have done if you hadn't liked Mr. Eko. Except, actually, I can, because I imagine you have a reasonable sense of what you could get away with. Even the simple fellows who happily took up the Latina bitch torch might have balked if you had unleashed the odd N-bomb, and then claimed it was fine because Mr. Eko wasn't real. Who knows, though? Who, ultimately, knows?

What is clear is that you don't think that there was anything wrong with what you did, and that therefore you reserve the right to do it again, presumably, and hang the tree-huggers. And, as your continuing toleration and interaction with by people like Boboss and _pin, who are good people, demonstrates, it's ultimately more important around here that people can talk about Lost than that Latina should not be a term of sneering abuse, and that women should not be called bitches. That's the decision that the people of Barbelith appear to have made.

Which is why it's so nice to see you obsessing weirdly about Star Trek and Robin... the Hooded Man. It feels like you've got a hobby. Very good things to have.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:57 / 16.04.09
As long as you don't dislike Lieutenant Uhura, I suppose. Then we're back in trouble.
 
 
jebni
01:39 / 17.04.09
particularly in the Asian countries

You don't really want to go there with me.
 
 
buttergun
13:47 / 17.04.09
Brucey, I don't know what's more sad, me for deigning to respond to you, or you for holding a forum "grudge" for three years.

The thing is, Brucey Wucey, people can change, right? Unlike you, we all aren't stuck in a static pattern of asshole-ishness. You are assuming my thoughts and comments on A-L all those years ago reflect my current state of mind. The fact is I was going through some tough times a few years ago, and it's possible I might have taken it out on a fictional charatcer. Again, who knows? The human mind is a strange thing.

And yet, of the two of us, I have been married for 7 years. I was raised by a single mother. I contribute both time and money to the Susan G Komen For the Cure Foundation.

What do you do, Brucey? Other than send out snide comments from your little ivory tower of moral superiority?

Always remember these things, Brucey.

1. I'm smarter than you.
2. I'm funnier than you.
3. I'm more successful than you.
4. I'm better looking than you.

And here's a demonstration of how easily you play into my grip. Another of your snide comments, upthread:

>>YES! YES! YES! These series are masterpieces. They are the greatest products of our culture, and they must be PROTECTED!<<

Exactly, Brucey. So why the need to make them into movies, then?

And Jebni, I lived in Japan and Hong Kong for 7 years. I do want to go there with you.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
14:38 / 17.04.09
And, as your continuing toleration and interaction with by people like Boboss and _pin, who are good people, demonstrates, it's ultimately more important around here that people can talk about Lost than that Latina should not be a term of sneering abuse, and that women should not be called bitches. That's the decision that the people of Barbelith appear to have made.

Haus, what exactly is your point with the above? Whatever it is, it would be nice if you would refrain from making backhanded insults on your way to arguing with someone else. You seem to be using this argument with buttergun to express your continuing dissatisfaction with the standard of Barbelith. Take it out of a thread on Star Trek and somewhere more useful. Smearing Boboss and _pin (and me, I suppose) is really uncalled for.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:15 / 17.04.09
none
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
15:18 / 17.04.09
The thing is, Brucey Wucey

I stopped reading.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:32 / 17.04.09
You misunderstand me, Keith. I mean, yes, you are certainly on record as having complained that the thread was much less fun when people were drawing attention to the violent language flying around about latina women. It's clear where you stood from day one. Others, however, have previously felt that misogyny was undesirable even when the consequences might involve a discussion about Lost being temporarily held up. Clearly they have made their own peace. They may believe in the basic good of man, although after that giant flame-out above it might be a bit of a stretch. Maybe they are just resigned to the way of the world.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:41 / 17.04.09
1. I'm smarter than you.
2. I'm funnier than you.
3. I'm more successful than you.


And yet the evidence of your own posts suggests otherwise.
 
  

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