BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Battlestar Galactica- 'The Face of the Enemy' and Season 4.5 (SPOILERS!)

 
  

Page: (1)23

 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:07 / 15.12.08
So, anyone watching the webisodes? We've had episode one on Saturday and the remaining nine will be each Monday and Wednesday evening in a US timezone, if your computer knows you aren't in the US you'll probably have to go to YouTube like me because scifi.com will happily show you ads but not content.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
09:24 / 18.12.08
Link? Please? I can't seem to find it on Youtube...
 
 
dark horse
21:47 / 18.12.08
who do people think is the 5th cylcon?

there seems something weird and sinister about geetah to me...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:30 / 18.12.08
It's totally Adama, and he's a werewolf.

Or it's Harrison Ford.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:50 / 20.12.08
Episode One.

Episode Two.

Episode Three.
 
 
simulated stereo
07:21 / 20.12.08
I still think the fifth is Tom Zarek.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:34 / 20.12.08
It would give him something to do other than "being ideologically opposed to the President regardless of what's happening, except only sometimes if it serves the plot for them to team up."
 
 
Disco is My Class War
07:55 / 22.12.08
I think it's Cain.

But heeeeeey. Felix and his bf!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:39 / 22.12.08
Yeah, when we saw that, the Accomplice said, "One of them is going to be a Cylon." My response? "Only after they have a baby." They're cute, though I have a suspicion that Felix will be the Cylon.
 
 
Unencumbered
12:22 / 23.12.08
My own feeling is that the fifth Cylon is Ellen Tigh. Or is that just way too obvious to be the case?
 
 
DavidXBrunt
22:16 / 23.12.08
Mr Gaeta? A Cylon? Never. He's the hero of the show. The core. The beating heart the show revolves around. Wash your mouths out.
 
 
simulated stereo
21:23 / 29.12.08
Episodes 4,5,6,7,8, and 10 of Face of the Enemy are up on youtube. #9 won't be posted until January 7th, at least that's what I've heard.
 
 
Mistoffelees
12:53 / 17.01.09
I sure haven´t seen anyone predict that ze is going to be the fifth cylon. That´s going to be interesting.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
14:37 / 17.01.09
When Ellen was killed off my friend was adamant that she would come back as a Cylon. So much so that he had an over the top bet/argument with another friend for 100 bucks on it... You cannot believe the shock and whooping last night... sigh.

I think it's kind of lame in the grand scheme.... but the fault isn't so much Ellen is the 5th, the fault is the entire final 5 thinking in the first place. I could accept that Tigh and Tyrol's latent programming or whatever put them on the Galactica and that the Galactica survived the bombing (not to mention Boomer was on it, too...3 cylons among the crew??), but Anders shows the clear wrongheadedness of the the thinking that everyone of the final 5 had to be a character we knew already.

That all said, that's the reality of the show right now, and for me to just stick with it to the end (it deserves that much after all it's high points), I've decided that the Ellen/Saul story could be quite beautiful in the end.

Still they have some serious explaining to do over the course of the next 9 episodes. The story is not making a ton of sense at the moment.

Also, Starbuck? WTF. I still want to believe in the "unknown third-party" theory for this answer...
 
 
the Fool
19:05 / 19.01.09
There has to be a third 'unknown power'. I think the twist of the Ellen Tigh revelation is that Starbuck isn't one of the five, despite finding her own corpse on 'earth'. So, what the frak is she? Who dumped her ship and body on the planet and made a new ones to send back to Galactica? Is it even earth that they found?

I really enjoyed this episode. I think they handled what would have been a genuinely devastating discovery to the fleet very well.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
19:32 / 19.01.09
Lame? Maybe, but I'm begining to think that the final Cylon is all Humans. I'm begining to think that Earth may have been the First colony which spread out but the 12 colonies reversed their histories... it would explain why the colonies are named after Zodiac signs and their Gods are earth Gods. The cylons are human clones, with the final being revealed that all humans are Cylon. The webisodes illustrate that there is no good/evil/enemy/friend/human/cylon: It's all the same with the potential being latent for any of the above.

Cylon existance is a human cycle of birth/death/resurection.

God that sounds silly... Still.

Aside from that, the webisodes and first episode rocked. It was one mindfuck after another.
 
 
Mistoffelees
19:33 / 19.01.09
There has to be a third 'unknown power'. I think the twist of the Ellen Tigh revelation is that Starbuck isn't one of the five, despite finding her own corpse on 'earth'. So, what the frak is she? Who dumped her ship and body on the planet and made a new ones to send back to Galactica? Is it even earth that they found?

On a different forum, someone is pushing the Ship of Light guys rom the original series as the third power. And their ship has an uncanny resemblance to white star like structures that Starbuck painted.
 
 
Mistoffelees
19:46 / 19.01.09
Pictures:








 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:55 / 19.01.09
I've been pretty sold on this theory for awhile. It's the only thing that will explain these myriad details with any satisfaction for me at this point.
 
 
Dead Megatron
23:56 / 19.01.09
So am I. I've been expecting to see the Ship of Lights since Season 3 or so. With the God of the Cylons living in it...

However, the fact people are especulating on it points toward the opposite direction in this show. We'll see in two months or so.
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:01 / 20.01.09
For a second I thougth Dee would be the 5th, and her what-the-frack-was-that suicide was her exit strategy. She was just waiting to get close enough to Cylon Earth to download herself into some hidden resurection machine, where she would proceed with some form of evil laughter

But then Starbuck found her own body and I was back to square one.

Also, this show is all about Cel. Tigh now, isn't it?
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:14 / 20.01.09
My apologies for the triple posting, but weren't the "star like structures" that Starbuck painted already revealed to be the damaged renegade Cylon Basestar? I mean, as I said in the first post, I'd like the Ship of Ligths to make an appearance, but will it?
 
 
the Fool
01:22 / 20.01.09
The painting she made has TWO star like structures. One the damaged basestar, the other might be one of the 'ship of lights'.
 
 
Mistoffelees
07:56 / 27.01.09
Oh my. Contains a huge spoiler if you haven´t seen episode 04.13 (Sometimes a Great Notion):

Worst Commercial Placement Ever
 
 
Bandini
18:44 / 01.02.09
I was quite disappointed by the revelation of the fifth Cylon and so far the seeming lack of any significance to the plot. first two episodes seemed a bit weak. But... Most recent episode ruled. Really liked the revolution and the way it questions the audience as to which side you agree with.
The return of Starbuck as a strong character blowing guys away was cool as well.
 
 
Bandini
20:46 / 10.02.09
What did everyone think of the resolution to the revolution; I didn't really agree with Felix but it's hard to fully agree with the ('ruling family') Adamas.

Also where the hell is Dean Stockwell!
 
 
the Fool
03:21 / 11.02.09
I thought the resolution to the coup was very powerful. I like that the sides are murky, and that realistically Gaitar was justified in believing this (the coup) had to happen. If you were in the fleet, not privy to the ins and outs of the Adama clan, I think you would be outraged at the suggestion that Cylons be given full colonial citizenship. Even if you were on Galactica, and aware of more of the goings on, I think you would be horrified by the level of cylon infiltration, and find the idea of making an alliance with the genocidal toasters as basically treasonous and completely unacceptable.

Still, firing squads for Zarek and Gaitar did seem barbaric, if unavoidable in the climate they helped create.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:10 / 14.02.09
Ok, spoilers about the Feb 13, 2008 episodes.

Let's see if I have this straight:

1. Life begins on Kobol with humans (and Lords of Kobol, no idea what those are still, except maybe the "beings of light" from the original series. note that Anders mentions angels at what point).
2. Humans create Centurions on Kobol
3. Centurions create skinjobs?
4. Exodus from Kobol
5. 13th tribe are skinjobs? who go to Earth
6. Earth skinjobs create Centurions, who kill them
7. Final Five are scientists that recreate Resurrection based on old Kobol tech
8. Final Five resurrect off Earth and go in search of the other tribes to warn them not to create Centurions, but they are too late because they used slower than light travel and were in suspended animation the whole time.
9. They find the Centurions and decide to create 8 new skinjob models but John (Cavil) is whacked out and suffocates them then reintroduces the Final Five as humans when they resurrect to the Earth population with new memories.

I think that's basically right but I'm hazy on the Kobol stuff a little.

Trying to parse all that from last night.
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:52 / 14.02.09
That sounds about right. And now with Daniel, the artist, we have 13 instead of 12 cylon skinjob models.

Plus, Starbuck now effectively has become a cylon because she was resurrected.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:09 / 14.02.09
Hmm, well the Final Five got their tech from Kobol... so I'm wondering if the Lords of Kobol are the "unknown third party/beings of light" that originally invented resurrection and that's who snatched her and sent her back. Because she was definitely sent back by someone with that new ship and all. We've got a good amount of the story now, but that's still a big question.
 
 
Dead Megatron
01:10 / 15.02.09
"I don't want to be human! I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear x-rays and I want to... I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly, because I have to... I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limited spoken language. But I know I want to reach out with something other than these... prehensile paws... and feel the solar wind of a Supernova flowing over me. I'm a machine! And I could know so much more, I could experience so much more, but I'm trapped in this absurd body. And WHY? Because my Five Creators thought that "God" want it that way..."

Amazing monologues this espisode...



Keith, you summary seems about right, but I contest two minor points:

1-It's not clear if the Lords of Kobol created Centurions of if they went straight to skinjobs (who could then created Centurions by themselves... though, the similarity in design does point to them being created by people of similar biology and psicology, i.e. "humans")

2- Maybe the Earth the Ancient Cylons inhabited was not the acutal Earth. We did not see any shot from the sky showing recognizable continental lines, except for Starbuck's vision, which could have been a different planet.

The fact there is a third party influencing everybody seems pretty much incontestable now, thoug who and what it is remains open. The easy, lasy answer, scifi-wise, would be "God did it", but since they have been hinting at it from Season One, I'd guess it's propably not it. Maybe it is the Lords of Kobol, who after parting ways with their Cylons, evolved into the "angels" who live in the Ship of Ligths, or something similar.

I'm pretty sure everybody is going to die trying, and failing, to discover who is it after all, except maybe for a man and a woman, naked by a tree at the end of the final chapter... But not before the humans and cylons engage for a little while in some very incest-like crossbreeding, leading to a part-machine, part-biological new species.

And they finally explained away the lack of a 7..., using this oversight from early in the series - before the concept of the Final Five was created - to paint the leader of the Genocidal Cylons, the 1, John Cavil, as a narcisitic, oedipian, fraticidal creep from the get-go. A character fully and almost solely motivated by self-loathing makes for a fraking awsome villain. (plus, it finally explained why he mindfraked Chief back when he pretended to be a pastor and Chief was having "dreams about being a Cylon")
 
 
Mistoffelees
08:36 / 15.02.09
except maybe for a man and a woman, naked by a tree at the end of the final chapter...

...and they´ll die in a cave where their skeletons will be discovered by Jack Shephard.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
14:28 / 16.02.09
Still trying to make sense of the timeline. I think this is more accurate:

1. KOBOL - Humans and Lords of Kobol (whoever they are). Lords create a bio memory transfer process that leads to the creation of "skinjobs." These skinjobs are the 13th tribe.

2. KOBOL - The great exodus from Kobol has to do with the humans resentment with the 13th tribe and anger over what the Lords did by creating them. Seems to be an allegory to Lucifer resenting the creation of humans and being cast out for rebellion.

**Alternately, perhaps the humans created the skinjobs and this angered the Lords of Kobol. I can't remember clearly, but apparently the history of Kobol said that the Lords became angered with the humans for stealing fire and that leads to the exodus.

3. EXODUS - 13th Tribe goes to Earth and other 12 found the 12 colonies.

4. EARTH - 13th tribe do 2 things: 1) create robotic Cylons as servants and 2) develop into a naturally procreating race, abandoning the memory transfer stuff.

5. EARTH - Centurions rebel. Final Five reinvent the memory transfer process and resurrect on their ship as Centurions nuke planet.

6. 12 COLONIES - Humans begin to create robot servants, who rebel. Centurions try to create skinjobs but only get hybrids.

7. FINAL FIVE - Travel at sub-light to 12 colonies to warn humans of the dangers of robotic servants.

8. FINAL FIVE - Come too late, so they go to Centurions and tell them that they will help them create skinjobs and resurrection tech if they stop war against humans.

9. WAR ENDS

10. FINAL FIVE create 8 models, the first of which is Cavill. He hates being flesh and corrupts #7 and suffocates the original five. When they resurrect, he implants false memories into them and seeds them into the colonies so they have to experience human life and ultimately die when Cavill re-starts war against humans.

11. DESTRUCTION of 12 colonies.

As for Starbuck's hijinks, that is probably linked to this stuff and the third party/Lords of Kobol/Beings of Light, but it's unclear. In any case, I think this is a more accurate timeline.

**EDIT - Been trying to parse the entire Lords of Kobol unanswered question. WTF were they?
 
 
Bandini
19:50 / 17.02.09
Anyone else think maybe someone in the 'third party' might be an actor from the original series.

I personally loved the moment in the new series with the original series centurions but I think Dirk Benedict turning up as God might cheapen the climax of the show a bit.

I'm sure they won't do something like that but speculations on original series actors turning up?
 
 
Spaniel
09:37 / 18.02.09
5. EARTH - Centurions rebel. Final Five reinvent the memory transfer process and resurrect on their ship as Centurions nuke planet.

6. 12 COLONIES - Humans begin to create robot servants, who rebel. Centurions try to create skinjobs but only get hybrids.


So where are the old school 12th Colony centurions? Also, I'm all for poetic license, but the parallel evolution of centurions on both worlds strikes me as a stretch. Am I misunderstanding something? I'm not a huge fan so it is more than possible
 
  

Page: (1)23

 
  
Add Your Reply