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The Spirit

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:41 / 28.04.08
Was it? I thought Breathless Mahoney was the key phrase...

More and more, MY CITY SCREAMS boils down to MY PARENTS ARE DEAD for the Spirit. I can't stop thinking about it.
 
 
grant
18:20 / 28.04.08
More on comic book writer/directors - has anyone seen Mike Allred's movie?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:10 / 28.04.08
Astroesque? No, but I feel as though I should. I have no idea if it would be any good or not. It tied into his "Red Rocket Seven" comics, which were those big-ass things that I looked at but never bought.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:16 / 28.04.08
James Robinson has made the jump to directing, albeit a "quirky" "indie" "comedy." (I've seen it—it really was pretty terrible.)

This is true, although James Robinson then made the move back to scriptwriting, and it's only as a scriptwriter that anyone outside the five people who saw Comic Book Villains has encountered him in films. I don't really think we can say with confidence that a majority of scriptwriters want to be directors, or indeed are competent to be directors. I'd rather watch a good film based on a comic book property directed or indeed written by someone who had never touched a comic book than a bad one directed or written by a giant of the comic book world. That might just be me, though.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
21:32 / 28.04.08
Not just you, Haus. I agree with you a %100 on that.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:22 / 28.04.08
I don't really think we can say with confidence that a majority of scriptwriters want to be directors, or indeed are competent to be directors.

From my own experiences doing it, I was more interested in cinematography and editing alongside the scripting, rather than the actual direction.

And frankly, directors who have no preconceptions about comics would tend to have it easier, transitioning to a completely different media...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:58 / 28.04.08
As long as The Spirit beats the living crap out of anyone who looks at him funny in this film, on what level can it fail to triumph on?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
01:01 / 29.04.08
EVE MENDES HOT CHIXX NOT POINTT
 
 
Mug Chum
01:20 / 29.04.08
Actually I think the point should be that it is indeed (and sadly) the point.

We're constantly exposed to Miller's point. If you get my point.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
02:26 / 29.04.08
Bearing in mind that 90% of comics published, like, EVAH, are reactionary adolescent wishfulfillment fantasy with violence solving all problems and women being degraded as mindless sexbots or reduced to two-dimensional sidekicks with alliterative names, I think Miller probably is the posterboy for comics in general. This is not a good thing, obviously. Just because there's been some truly great and groundbreaking comics in the other 10% doesn't validate the remaining shitbox toss the medium's made it's name on.

Superhero comics are entertaining nonsense. This film looks like entertaining nonsense. Could be a laugh as well as being laughable... and expecting a faithful Hollywood adaptation of The Spirit is pretty laughable in and of itself. They've only hired Miller to do this in order to obtain exactly what it appears he's gonna deliver.

Personally, I think he should have done The Question instead, at least Vic Sage has an aura of cool about him with the whole faceless thing that might work better with this treatment... and the revamp has him getting zen/kung fu training from a guy called Richard Dragon. Miller would eat that shit up.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:48 / 29.04.08
good point, Jack. Miller is Miller, whether you sell him to kids or adults. [scroll down for the case of UK Batman reprint]
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:11 / 29.04.08
Bearing in mind that 90% of comics published, like, EVAH, are reactionary adolescent wishfulfillment fantasy with violence solving all problems and women being degraded as mindless sexbots or reduced to two-dimensional sidekicks with alliterative names, I think Miller probably is the posterboy for comics in general. This is not a good thing, obviously. Just because there's been some truly great and groundbreaking comics in the other 10% doesn't validate the remaining shitbox toss the medium's made it's name on.

Er -- doesn't this describe a great deal of Western pop culture beyond the shallow waters of comicbookery, Jack-darling? Well, except maybe the alliterative names which seem to be quite often a comicky thing (even when done other places, it always feels like a reference). But, really: can't we have aspirations? Can we not aspire to things?

Hell, I don't really expect a faithful Spirit movie, and I never did. I wanted one, though, where it doesn't feel like Frank Miller's writing crossover Batman/Sin City fanfics. I mean, that's awkward, right? When people write fanfic about their own stuff?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
16:20 / 29.04.08
Er -- doesn't this describe a great deal of Western pop culture beyond the shallow waters of comicbookery, Jack-darling?

Certainly not to anywhere near the same extent, but even if it does, that's not really my point - the only reason I mentioned that is because Frank Miller's Spirit is likely to be pretty representative of the majority of comics published over the last god knows how long. A lot of people buy the kind of comic this represents, and to a lot of casual readers of comics or people only aware of, and them through Burton's Batman, Singer's X-Men or Raimi's Spider-Man, this is comics... which is why they've hired Miller to direct it. All of which means that you're not the target audience. I loathed Ghost World, thought it was pretentious drivel, and American Splendor was only saved by Giamatti being kind of a genius... but then I probably wasn't the target audience either.

But, really: can't we have aspirations? Can we not aspire to things?

If you like, but it's not you making the movies, so it doesn't really matter much what you aspire to. I don't mean any offence by that - it's just that you pretty much get to vote with your wallet by not going to see the movie, and that's it. Hollywood aspires to make money. Even here, I doubt they see this as a cash cow... it's being released in January by Lionsgate, so it's a reasonably low budget flick compared to the big tentpole superhero flicks. I really don't think it's that big a deal - either it sucks and is dull, or it sucks and it's fun, but you're unlikely to see it anyway, right?

Hell, I don't really expect a faithful Spirit movie, and I never did. I wanted one, though, where it doesn't feel like Frank Miller's writing crossover Batman/Sin City fanfics. I mean, that's awkward, right? When people write fanfic about their own stuff?

Definitely, and it's certainly a creatively bankrupt endeavour... kind of what you'd expect from Miller these days. Have to say though that I think a really faithful Spirit movie would be dull beyond belief. What, a masked two-fisted crimefighter in a domino mask bringing criminals and arch-enemies to justice with a secret lair in a cemetary? Eisner's old comics are only really remembered fondly because he's a comics storytelling genius. The concept - the property itself - is dull as you like. Pulp/film noir gubbins. At least Miller's version might be mindlessly entertaining... might watch it when it comes on Sky Movies if I've nothing better to do and (as is likely) a hangover. :}
 
 
FinderWolf
21:35 / 31.05.08
Article from Newsarama highlighting Miller's statements about the black suit for The Spirit:

>> We’ve all seen Frank Miller’s upcoming adaptation of The Spirit compared, unflatteringly, to Sin City, right? Well, so has Frank Miller.

And in the latest entry for the movie’s production blog, he addresses concerns about the look and feel of the production — “The Spirit is, and will always be, Eisner’s Spirit” — and, yes, the disappearance of The Spirit’s trademark blue suit.

After a brief overview of the comic-book printing limitations that traditionally meant everything intended to be black had to appear as blue, Miller gets down to brass tacks.

“In tests — and we did several — the blue made the Spirit look like an unfortunate guest at a Halloween party,” he writes. “Going to black brings back his essential mystery, his Zorro-like sexiness. It also makes that red tie of his look very, very cool. So I made the call, with all respect to Eisner’s creation, and most importantly, to what I perceived as his underlying intention. It was an easy call for me to make. The Spirit dresses in black, and looks much the better for it. As I said, my desire was never to slavishly follow the rules of ’40s printing into campy oblivion, but to reintroduce Eisner’s creation, via modern technology, to our brave new world.”

He also notes that, despite the impression given by the movie’s teaser trailer [making it look very SIN CITY], The Spirit is in full color.
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Although as I might have mentioned earlier, I've never seen anything on record saying that Eisner intended the suit to be black and couldn't achieve that because blue highlights "stood in" to communicate 'black' because of printing & color limitations back then. While the blue/black thing about printing from the 40s to the 90s is true (witness the still-occurring 'blue highlights in Superman's black hair' motif for example), I'm wondering if Eisner actually said what he intended as far Denny's suit.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:39 / 31.05.08
But what if I put my black suit in with the white washing, by accident, with bleach? WHAT DO I DO THEN? WHAT DO I DO THEN?

DOES HE EXPECT ME TO FIGHT CRIME IN A SPLOTCHY BLACK SUIT?
 
 
Triplets
00:03 / 01.06.08
but to reintroduce Eisner’s creation, via modern technology, to our brave new world.”

Sounds like frank/Frank bollocks really.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
10:54 / 09.06.08
"do i look like a good girl?"

no, you don't, with cum dripping from your mouth. what an awkward poster.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
10:59 / 09.06.08
didn't mean to say girls with cum in their mouths = filthy sluts, mind you. the frank made me do it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:03 / 09.06.08
I've suddenly realised why it is that the black suit / red tie combination is so familiar to me.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
16:07 / 25.06.08
listen to the whispering women of the Spirit.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
02:59 / 15.07.08
1st full trailer

ahnnn... err... hm...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:21 / 15.07.08
Yeah, they ran the trailer in front of Hellboy 2 and all my MY CITY SCREAMS Frank Miller hardman grunty rage reared up, like a squealing, undead baby. Good old "Vast Urban Heat Island=Sexy Oedipus Complex."
 
 
Axolotl
11:00 / 15.07.08
That looks awful. Just awful.
 
 
FinderWolf
23:04 / 15.07.08
Hoo boy. Doesn't look all that Eisner... kinda looks like a trainwreck. And the domino mask on the Spirit looks weird, although I know it must be hard to make a domino mask work in real life/on film - but the domino mask on The Comedian in Watchmen promo pics looks good, and the mask on Chris O'Donnell in his film appearances as Robin wasn't awful, so I feel like the domino mask concept has been executed slightly better...
 
 
Mark Parsons
23:44 / 15.07.08
I kinda like it, especially the Big Lips. But I can totally see this blowing up in epic fashion too.
 
 
PatrickMM
16:06 / 16.07.08
I thought this looked pretty amazing, not in a coherent story and character kind of way, but in a over the top insane Goddamn Batman kind of way. It reminds me a lot of Dark Knight Strikes Again move out of the reality based community into a weird, hypernoir land that borders on self parody, but winds up as just over the top joy. I don't know that the film can live up to the trailer, but so far, so good.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:02 / 17.07.08
Looked. Fucking. RUBBISH!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:09 / 17.07.08
I mean...those sideburns.
Those sideburns.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
23:38 / 17.07.08
official version up at yahoo movies
 
 
Triplets
12:07 / 19.07.08
That looks fucking mental!

Possibly in a very good way, but it's like loading the Buckaroo mule with one crazy thing after another... it could go oh so wrong.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
01:14 / 20.07.08
It looked awful. AWFULLLLLL. Really. Clunking horrid dialogue, shitty overstylised imagery, and a complete disservice to the charm and wit of Eisner's baby. Plus no discernible film lurking beneath the gloss. I'm not a Miller basher per se (apart from when he's, y'know, shit or stupid), but this is going to be really, really fucking bad.
 
 
Neon Snake
05:57 / 20.07.08
The second trailer's missing the Donkey Kong sideways-scrolling action from the first one. Which was possibly the only good thing about it.
 
 
dark horse
16:17 / 21.07.08
omg how hot does scar-jo look in this though!

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20213200_2,00.html
 
 
dark horse
18:18 / 21.07.08
hi i just wanted to apologise if anyone is offended by that? i can't see why someone would be but i'm a "noob" here and i don't want to make anyone mad! i do respect scarlett johanson a lot as well as thinking she is sexy, anyway click click here to go to the link i posted and it has some other photos from the spirit movie.... i thought people might be interested, but here is the picture in case it would annoy anyone to have to follow the link:

 
 
HCE
19:08 / 21.07.08
Wow! Look at her glasses, so stylish! Anyone know where I can get a pair like that?
 
  

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