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The Marvel Universe - Who Can You Trust?!! (SPOILERS)

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22:29 / 17.06.07

Bendis pointed out that Cap didn't turn into Skrull form when he died, and Brubaker has gone so far as to show us a grisly autopsy scene. So Cap was for real, and he's really dead (even though he's coming back in a year and half, since Bru. has said he has a 2 year plan for the return/how the world deals with Cap's death story).

And it's far too obvious to make Tony Stark a Skrull, Bendis has said. Marian Sharpe, however, who prodded Tony to do the whole registration thing, is another matter...

00:15 / 18.06.07

I don't want to hear that the baby was always fake.

Well a child's still a child, half-skrull or not half-skrull, surely? Doesn't a new-born baby deserve a chance, FW? Even in the harsh, cold, post-apocolyptic world you seem to see, in your despair, as the final fate of the human race?

Not to worry about this, though - if the world does end whenever it's supposed to (quite soon, I gather), I will not hold it against you.

05:01 / 18.06.07

Well a child's still a child, half-skrull or not half-skrull, surely?

I'd assumed the baby was full Skrull. Like an adult Skrull posing as a baby. From the way the kid opened its eyes, I thought we were supposed to take away that it had been spying on the conversation.

Also, rather than reaching the solution that Jessica is a Skrull because of the breast-feeding comment, I think (or at least I am hoping that) Jessica knows her baby is or has been replaced by a Skrull and is just keeping friends close and enemies closer. And, y'know, would you want to breast feed a Skrull if you knew what it was?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

05:51 / 18.06.07

John: Like an adult Skrull posing as a baby. From the way the kid opened its eyes, I thought we were supposed to take away that it had been spying on the conversation...And, y'know, would you want to breast feed a Skrull if you knew what it was?

The Acid House, by way of Marvel Comics. *shiver*

Keith, like a scientist

15:03 / 18.06.07

huh, I knew there was a book I missed last week. Oh well.

Anyway, how come no one has mentioned Tony Stark yet (unless I missed it somewhere)? Isn't he a prime candidate due to Civil War and his current overlordship. Fomenting a Civil War among superheroes sounds right up Skrull Alley, especially making sure that one of your guys ends up in charge at the end of it.

Keith, like a scientist

15:04 / 18.06.07

er, sorry. Of course I noticed Finder's post righ after I posted.

Still, who cares what Bendis says. Stark makes sense, unless it's someone else that convinced Stark to do the Registration Act stuff? Civil War has to be a part of it.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

16:11 / 18.06.07

I think the general (or possible) consensus among us failed and listless precognitives (O Woe!) is that Stark probably tried to implement the Registration Act as an excuse to look for potential Skrulls. At least, the implication was there at the beginning of Mighty Avengers.

16:32 / 18.06.07

I totally think Bucky is a Skrull. He's the skrulliest of them all.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

16:58 / 18.06.07

"And, y'know, would you want to breast feed a Skrull if you knew what it was?"

Please don't make me answer that.

17:04 / 18.06.07

Well, in the interview with Beneece over at Newsarama the not so tacit suggestion was that Civil War is unlikely to retconned in anything like a Tony-is-a-skrull way. Personally I think it would be a very obvious, very dull thing to do, that would really, really get on many, many people's tits. That said, I think Finder's point about whatsername is a very, very, very good call. I mean, why does that character exist? She's pretty much superfluous. I mean, if they wanted to give us the human face of Stamford they could've done it any number of other ways.

18:07 / 18.06.07

I can't claim credit for the idea that Marian/Miriam/whatever her name is Sharpe is a Skrull, that rumor was floating around on the net right before the final issues of Civil War. (back then the rumor was not that she was a Skrull, but that she was the Hate-Monger in disguise or something like that)

I like the idea that's been put forth that Tony knows about the Skrull invasion and formed the Registration Act to better figure out who's a Skrull and who's not.

if Jessica is a Skrull, how to explain Dr. Strange's spellcasting in NA #30, which revealed that no one in the group had any malicious intent...? (the baby even passed the test while giggling and laughing, to which Strange said "A baby: there's nothing purer of spirit")

19:38 / 18.06.07

Yes, that was quite the worst entire bit of the post-CW New Avs, I feel.

Maybe Doctor Strange is a skrull, FW?!

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

04:34 / 19.06.07

if Jessica is a Skrull, how to explain Dr. Strange's spellcasting in NA #30, which revealed that no one in the group had any malicious intent...? (the baby even passed the test while giggling and laughing, to which Strange said "A baby: there's nothing purer of spirit")

Solved in two moves: Kid Baby Skrull Person = Baby Skrull cutie-pie, not malicious spy to monger (because there's something way to Acid House about that otherwise, yeush). Jessica? Sure she might be a deep-cover Skrull agent, but either she's got the conditioning to forget her malicious intent or she's totally gone native and loves Luke, baby, and Avenger Pals too much to betray them at this point, she feels she's become Jessica, you're basic Lyja-marries-Johnny situation. Plus, as if they have bowling on the Skrull Homeworld, whereas she can do that ALL THE TIME with her Secret Avengers pals, even if has to be in total secret and WOULDN'T THAT STOP YOU from being an evil agent? I could see them revealing that she's been a Skrull for a long time now but has settled into a dream-life that she has no desire to give up for the random boring invasion of doom plan that her "superiors" expect.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

05:42 / 19.06.07

There's an EVENT comic I want: Who wins in the Avengers Assembled Bowling Championship? Mighty Avengers of New Avengers? Filmed in Pseudo-Claremont X-Baseball Pastiche Vision.

06:12 / 19.06.07

Dr. Strange is an excellent bowler. I know this about him. As a person.

09:41 / 19.06.07

Could you call him... friend?!?

13:09 / 19.06.07

Since Bendis created Jessica Jones, though, and loves the character, I doubt he'll say 'she's always been a Skrull.' There must have been a switch at one point.

and yeah, that makes sense that a baby Skrull isn't thinking "KILL ALL HU-MANS AND TAKE OVER EARTH," it's thinking baby thoughts, happy goo goo ga ga, that sort of harmless stuff.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

14:47 / 19.06.07

Or maybe it's thinking malicious KILL ALL HUMANS thoughts, but in an innocent, sugary, baby voice that confuses Strange's spells.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

16:37 / 19.06.07

Shape-shifting skrull confusion might give Spidey room to de-unmask. In fact this could fix a lot of things.

That is pretty much where my theory came from.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

16:48 / 19.06.07

"But! Mary Jane-- that wasn't you doing my laundry! That was a skrull!"

17:27 / 19.06.07

i'm not sure about Peter Parker being a Skrull. Stark had him in a suit of armor he designed himself, monitoring everything about Parker's abilities. Stark more than likely knows about the infiltration, hence the whole registration - assuring he had an army of 51 teams ready to fight the invasion once it started.

Jared Louderback

18:35 / 19.06.07

I hope it turns out the Bendis is the Skrull. And then he gets fired. And then they bring back some joycore marvel goodness, which the company has been lacking since they hired that guy.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

19:03 / 19.06.07

Of course Bendis is a Skrull.

And everyone is talking about "when the invasion starts" but from all the interviews, I'd say that the point may be that the invasion already started. And ended. And we lost. And nobody (save Stark?) knew.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

20:07 / 19.06.07

My guess for who's a Skrull. Xavin in Runaways. Almost certain about that one. But seriously I'm a little confused as to how Skrulls as the hideous, alien, otherly threat to earth really fits in with the very human-like Xavin over in Runaways. Especially as the gender stuff going on there with Xavin and Carolina is a million times more interesting than another mega-crossover could ever possibly be.

Regrettable Juvenilia

20:23 / 19.06.07

I think the point is that Xavin is not part of a conspiracy to take over the world. But sure, ze'll probably have to deal with a lot of anti-Skrull feeling. Meanwhile...

some joycore marvel goodness, which the company has been lacking since they hired that guy.

Always good to see another Fabian Nicieza fan on the board, Jared!

I suppose the way I feel about the word "joycore" reading your post is a lot like the way Hank Pym feels when he sees Ultron causing chaos once again.

20:58 / 19.06.07

I hope it turns out the Bendis is the Skrull. And then he gets fired. And then they bring back some joycore marvel goodness, which the company has been lacking since they hired that guy.

Yes, surely this is antithetical to sense. Good sense, in any case. Common sense, the sense of the man about town.

What exactly about the Harras and DeFalco eras do you miss, J? The Clone Saga perhaps? Slim T DeF's work on Thor? Or perhaps indeed the annual x-over, which featured such 'joycore' (in the end, I think, we're all partially responsible - it's mebbe more like the Scarlet Witch) acts as 'The X-Tinction Agenda?

No, don't tell me... you want The Ponysher back.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

21:07 / 19.06.07

DAMN YOU, FALKE!

I totally clicked on that link expecting a My Little Pony dressed up as the Punisher AND WAS DISAPPOINTED.

21:40 / 19.06.07

Now I also am disappointed.

I have only this

which you have likely seen before.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

01:09 / 20.06.07

That Pony looks a little...Skrullish. *peers*

Twig the Wonder Kid

10:00 / 28.06.07

Ok, I've only a little tidbit to contribute to this, but it might be of interest.

I've just read Bendis's Avengers Disassembled (one word review - ghah) and in the scene where Hawkeye is offed there is clearly a single Skrull in the background in the two preceding panels, for no apparent reason. Make of that what you will.

I'm also speculating that the door to Aunt Agatha's room is going to be involved in all this skrulliness too.

12:29 / 28.06.07

ohhh crap! I had forgotten about the Skrull in that Dissassembled story. So they really HAVE been planning it for a few years, as they claimed... that's kinda cool. Thanx for bringing that up.

13:13 / 28.06.07

in the scene where Hawkeye is offed there is clearly a single Skrull in the background in the two preceding panels, for no apparent reason. Make of that what you will.

I think, given all the Kree invading at that point and the nature of the arc, which is allusory to Avengers his-to-ree it's really just supposed to be like the Kree-Skrull War.

20:54 / 28.06.07

I know we are supposed to be excitedly speculating on who is a Skrull, but I can't bring myself to care. At this point

I think the general (or possible) consensus among us failed and listless precognitives (O Woe!) is that Stark probably tried to implement the Registration Act as an excuse to look for potential Skrulls. At least, the implication was there at the beginning of Mighty Avengers.

21:01 / 28.06.07

I know we are supposed to be excitedly speculating on who is a Skrull, but I can't bring myself to care. There were a handful of characters in the MU that I didn't despise, and nearly all of them were in the New Avengers. And it wasn't enough that they had to be editorially mandated wrong and there just to fail, they had to make them evil too. Because obviously anyone who stands up for human rights instead of nodding and doing what they are told obviously have to be evil Skrulls.

So New Avengers joined the parade of Marvel titles that I've shed over the last few months. I'm now down to two mainline ongoings.

I think the general (or possible) consensus among us failed and listless precognitives (O Woe!) is that Stark probably tried to implement the Registration Act as an excuse to look for potential Skrulls. At least, the implication was there at the beginning of Mighty Avengers.

Of course, that makes no sense whatsoever. If you have a way of looking for Skrulls, you check Cap and then explain what you think is going on. If you don't have a method of detecting Skrulls, you don't put control of every superhuman in the US in the hands of a tiny group of people who can easily be Skrulls or replaced by them.

21:20 / 28.06.07

There were a handful of characters in the MU that I didn't despise, and nearly all of them were in the New Avengers. And it wasn't enough that they had to be editorially mandated wrong and there just to fail, they had to make them evil too. Because obviously anyone who stands up for human rights instead of nodding and doing what they are told obviously have to be evil Skrulls.

Can you expand on this please? Because, charitably put, your reading does not at present match mine. I can sort of see where you're going, re: Tony, but it seems to me his 'out' is very much still alive if his intent is to run the most powerful espionage outfit in a world presently conceivably overrun by undetectable alien interlopers. Who would, you'd think, attempt to occupy positions of high and/or momentary influence.

I guess what I'm saying is - I don't think any of the present New Avengers team are Skrulls, barring possibly Jessica Jones, and I don't really think Iron Man particularly thinks so either.

I love writing all this with a straight face.

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