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The Marvel Universe - Who Can You Trust?!! (SPOILERS)

 
  

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Alex's Grandma
17:45 / 15.06.07
Following on from this month's revelation in 'New Avengers' #31, then;


(Which you should read before you go any further.


No, you should.


You should, you should, you should!


Go on! You know you want to!


You know you do!


Even though it's arguably just twenty odd pages of a dragged out fight scene, with a nebulous pay-off at the end - a brief look at the current Brian Michael Bendis interview on Newsarama might put you in the picture just as well, for the purposes of this discussion.)

Still now that's out of the way, on with meat!


Who do you think is, and has been for some time, a skrull? And why?

It's not mandatory, of course, but if everyone could show their working a bit, this will hopefully turn out to be a more amusing thread.

I'll begin by saying that I don't like the look of the new, mainstream, version of Frank Castle. He seems to be someone that's behaved out of character, in both 'War Journal' and 'Civil War'.

On the other hand, that may just be down to some fairly weak writing ...

Anyway, over to you!
 
 
Mario
17:49 / 15.06.07
Tom Brevoort.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:35 / 15.06.07
I don't know this Tom Brevoort is!

How would he measure up in a fight with Wolverine? Or The Invisible Woman? Or one of my other suspects?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:45 / 15.06.07
MODOK's totally a Skrull. It's those shifty eyes. But not baby MODOK, baby MODOK one-hunnert-percent red-blooded American Killing Mental Organism Designed Only for Killing. Baby MODOK should get his own twelve-part miniseries as he takes out dubious possible Skrulls or Skrull sympathizers with super-action A.I.M. brain cannons.

Why do you think Invisible Woman's a Skrull. Is it because she failed to support Reed's harebrained Fascist Registration antics?
 
 
Dark side of the Moonfrog1
20:14 / 15.06.07
Professor Xavier would probably be a good bet. Disappeared after House of M, then suddenly reappeared minus any powers. (Maybe cos, unlike physical based powers which can be mimiced with genetic tampering, psychic powers aren't that easy to replicate..?) Plus, Bendis has hinted that one of the Illuminati is possibly a Skrull.

Not sure if that works with all the recent X-Men in space stuff though... Also, with the X-Men crossover coming up, i'm not sure they'd make such a high profile mutant a Skrull..

(On a slight tangent, I'm soooo convinced that Marvel's promotional material for this event will be Skrull versions of 50's style US anti-communicm posters... Beware the Green Menace! etc.)
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:33 / 15.06.07
Basically, yeah.

I think that since at least one of the Four is likely to be implicated in the Skrull conspiracy (it's too good an opportunity to miss, really) and seeing as the Thing just seemed to wander about the place aimlessly during Civil War, and the Human Torch was in hospital for most of it, and that it might be a bit obvious if Reed Richards was the problem here (a skrull, rather than a flawed, stretchy, bendy scientist, with morals to match!) I suppose the Invisible Woman would, be default, almost have to be the Fifth columnist.

And then there's her flirtation with the Sub-Mariner, who I'm fairly sure isn't a skrull - seeing as big theme in all this appears to be not just political, but sexual betrayal (Luke and Jessica, etc) and seeing as the Sub-Mariner's one of the Illuminati, wouldn't it really destroy Namor if it turned out the Sue Storm who he'd loved for all these years, uselessly, then turned round and returned that love? And then she turned out to be one of Them? Namor would presumably be a bit gutted when the truth about the evening/wedding/night of passion came out, which might arguably interfere with his ability to run his kingdom, which, in turn, would conceivably be a result for the skrulls, I suppose.

I also think Aunt May might be a skrull, but please don't ask me to explain about this for at least twenty four hours.

My powers are weak, now.
 
 
Feverfew
20:58 / 15.06.07
Wolverine was a skrull a short while ago, before he was killed by, er, The Real Wolverine albeit as Death, right?

So Wolverine can't be a Skrull, unless there's a skrull who's Wolverine. Or Maybe the entire Howlett family were in fact Skrulls.

In point of fact, wouldn't a sweepstake have more luck on who's not a) been a skrull or b) is a skrull these days?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:59 / 15.06.07
x-post, there - the above in reply to Papers.

I just feel the scenario outlined might force Namor to go Speedo-tonto on the surface world and ... Oh well.

I should be eatin' ribs, smokin' fine Cuban cigars and hangin' about in Gentlemen's bars with John Byrne, really, at least in a notional sense. And not sitting in here, all alone, with only 'Mary Jane' to keep me company.

Then again, is 'Mary Jane' all that she seems?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:29 / 15.06.07
See, but they've already done the "One of the Fantastic Four Family is a Skrull!" bollocks with Lyja.

I want Skrull MODOK and baby MODOK and a MODOK FAMILY series.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:33 / 15.06.07
Black Bolt! Black Bolt is SKRULLY as they come! Look at the evidence:

1. He was one of the Illuminati captured by the Skrulls, an excellent opportunity for them to pull the old Skrull switcheroo.

2. He recently declared war on the US government. Skrull!

3. He just got smashed by the Hulk with ease. Surely the real Black Bolt wouldn't have gone down so quickly. But a Skrull would!
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
21:37 / 15.06.07
I want Skrull Kill Krew.

I don't care who is a Skrull, as long as they show up.

Although, I think it would be cool if Spiderman was revealed to be a Skrull, and then Peter Parker could be all "See, I was never Spiderman, he and I were both captured by the Skrulls and they hatched this plot in order to something something"

Then Romperstomper would hit the fake Spiderman with a hammer.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:44 / 15.06.07
We do need more positive racist role models in our comics, definitely.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:44 / 15.06.07
Would it be premature to rule out any character who's had an inner monologue recently? Why would a Skrull monologue in character?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
21:52 / 15.06.07
In all honesty I just couldn't recall the name of any of the other members of SKK, and apparently did not remember his name properly (it is Moonstomp according to the wiki).

I did, however, just learn that the infection that gave them powers was slowly killing them, a detail I had forgotten, so I suppose they are all dead by now, even if they were part of actual continuity.

I still stand behind my Spiderman prediction.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:59 / 15.06.07
Unless Marvel are doing the whole not-smart thing, Spiderman, won't be a Skrull
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:55 / 15.06.07
I still stand behind my Spiderman prediction

Fair enough, but could you expand on this a bit more, Mr E?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
23:48 / 15.06.07
Robbie bloody Baldwin had better be a Skrull.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:54 / 15.06.07
Would it be premature to rule out any character who's had an inner monologue recently? Why would a Skrull monologue in character?

It'd be complete personality conditioning, probably with a "Go all Skrullish" trigger. Brainwashing. You know, all those telepaths running around, they'd probably want a very complete disguise.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
00:22 / 16.06.07
Some of them are programmed to THINK they are human, you mean? And they have a plan?
 
 
John Octave
01:17 / 16.06.07
I don't think very many superheroes WILL turn out to be Skrulls. I don't even imagine anyone on the Illuminati will be revealed as one. Not only because of the potential for negative fan reaction, but for story reasons as well.

The Skrulls would really only need to replace maybe four or five superheroes. Just enough to get everyone good and paranoid and fighting with each other. Why bother replacing Tony Stark with a Skrull when everyone's convinced he already is one?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:35 / 16.06.07
Can I put in a vote for Jimmy Olson being a Skrull? It's the last direction of attack they'd expect? I don't think you need to worry about things like monologues being in or out of character, I doubt Marvel were thinking this far ahead when they started Civil War. It'll be Reed and Tony Stark being Skrulls, they'll be revealed and then everyone can have reset button sex and Speedball can go back to being Speedball rather than a dick.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
08:42 / 16.06.07
Ms Marvel's seemed a bit aggressive lately, hasn't she? And then there's her from SHIELD.

From what we appear to know so far, about Jessica and Elektra (both strong female characters, both skrulls, apparently) would it be too much of a leap to imagine future issues of The Avengers in which the guys on the team are hiding out somewhere up in the mountains, having Iron John sweat lodge bonding sessions, led by Wolverine and Tony Stark, on the subject of how you should never trust a girl, not even your mother, because she might be a skrull?

Such bonding sessions perhaps echoing the Marvel plotting retreats that Bendis talks about in the interviews, with Joe "I don't give a crap what you think, lady" Queseda as Tony Stark, Mark "Nobody's allowed to go to the toilet until I've finished what I'm saying, else I'll pop me claws!" Millar as Wolverine, and Bendis himself hanging upside down from the ceiling, making with the funnies, all the time. And everyone else just sitting there quietly, looking listless, and under a certain amount of stress.
 
 
Rachel Evil McCall
13:19 / 16.06.07
As I've predicted elsewhere: Everybody who died and came back is a Skrull.

Colossus, Magneto, Psylocke, Aunt May, Xorn, Hawkeye, Wonder Man... Skrulls.
 
 
Spaniel
16:08 / 16.06.07
Shape-shifting skrull confusion might give Spidey room to de-unmask. In fact this could fix a lot of things.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:09 / 16.06.07
It would certainly allow them to claim closure on the Grant Morrison Magneto/Xorn, despite the fact that explanation makes no sense...
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
18:23 / 16.06.07
Either Luke, Jessica or the Baby is. Probably Jessica. Cause of teh breast feeding thing. And solicits promise Luke Cage vs. Jessica Jones.

Elektra was... and in answer to the whole "when why would she have saved Foggy" argument, we could make Foggy Nelson a candidate.

It ain't Cap. I really doubt Iron Man.

All sorts of Shiled and Hydra types are on the possible list since the Shield/Hydra thing is part of this plot. Hell, how about Nick "I'm a gonna use superhumans to attack a foreign power" Fury? Lots of people have been bitching that when Fury died in the 90's, Wolverine verified the corpse.... well, maybe he did die?

And as far as "well, they wouldn't be able to duplicate X person's powers"... Illuminati #1 has the Skrulls well on their way to cracking ALL of the Illuminati's powers when the Illuminati eventually escape (leaving their genetic samples). And this happened a bit after the Kree/Skrull war, ages ago.

And yes, I don't care who is a Skrull, so long as there is a Krewe to Kill them.
 
 
Evil Scientist
19:04 / 16.06.07
Paibok, for sure.
 
 
matthew.
19:06 / 16.06.07
Do we actually believe this shit has been developed since "Secret War" (singular)? And since the beginning of "The New Avengers"? I think not. I love Bendis, but don't bullshit a bullshitter.
 
 
The Falcon
19:17 / 16.06.07
Yeah, uhm, maybe? I dunno, it's still hard to believe Echo was always supposed to be Ronin when we all think it was Daredevil. However, clearly the first New Avengers arc had two major plots that appear to have been intended as long-running items, one of which may not even be solved by this: i. who freed the supervillains from Ryker's? and ii. what the hell is going on with SHIELD and the Savage Land?

Also, there's stuff like the re-emergence of Hydra in various books now looks more patterned than it perhaps originally was and they did hold Jessica during the Secret War arc in The Pulse - could they have introduced some kind of rogue alien DNA then? Possibly.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
22:23 / 16.06.07
As I've predicted elsewhere: Everybody who died and came back is a Skrull.

Captain Marvel? That could part explain why Tony and Reed made him warden of their Fa$cest space-prison as opposed to giving him a ticker-tape parade.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
12:00 / 17.06.07
I believe him. Especially since Bendis has been saying since Day One that Secret War, Avengers Reassembled and whatnot were all part of one overplot. Seems like the simpliest answer is to believe him, no?

Sure, I imagine that That the Skrulled War will be used for painful retcons justified as "all part of the master plan all along" but I do not doubt the existence of said master plan.
 
 
Feverfew
19:26 / 17.06.07
Perhaps Bucky as The Winter Soldier is in fact a skrull, but the original Bucky was also a skrull, except that the original Bucky didn't, in fact, die, leading to some Bucky on Bucky action - except that the real Bucky has been tracking Imposter Bucky all along, because he didn't die either - who would you trust?

A situation only theoretically improvable by involving Bucky - Captain Bucky O'Hare, who goes where no ordinary rabbit would dare.

Seriously, though, it's going to be Retcon heaven. Current Marvel writer? Didn't like anything from the past thirty years? Either have Hulk smash the shit out of them, or turn them into skrulls, or, hey, both! Welcome to the Marvel summer!
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
21:08 / 17.06.07
Maybe, in a "surprising" twist -- Captain America was the Skrull.

So now he's not really dead.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:18 / 17.06.07
Seriously, though, it's going to be Retcon heaven. Current Marvel writer? Didn't like anything from the past thirty years? Either have Hulk smash the shit out of them, or turn them into skrulls, or, hey, both! Welcome to the Marvel summer!

You see, when you put it like that, it doesn't actually sound all that bad.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:27 / 17.06.07
my theory: Jessica Jones and the baby are now Skrulls. (as evinced from the breast feeding comment and the baby's green eyeballs)

Luke? Not a Skrull. He's far too gung-ho about uncovering the grand conspiracy. The question is: when did the real Jessica & baby get switched? I don't want to hear that the baby was always fake.
 
  

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