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Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
16:54 / 28.07.07
Wally came back, not Barry (although it's hinted that someone else snagged Barry) in the irredeemably shit "Lightning Saga".

And yes. Fans hated BartFlash that much. Of course, part of that may be because they handed the Flash relaunch to the guys who did the old Flash TV show and it was truly dreadful. Really, really horrible.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
16:59 / 28.07.07
Well - Barry isn't necessarily officially back yet, although it seems the Pre-Crisis Legion have probably got him trapped in a bottle in a state that isn't quite dead. Wally definitely is back, but he was never dead - just sort of nebulously missing, without much explanation of exactly what has happened to him. This will probably be explained in the next few issues of the Flash.

With regards to Bart - I don't think he was terribly unpopular as a character per se, but his Flash series was easily the worst pile of tosh I've ever read from the big two - and this opinion seems to be a fairly popular one, so this might have something to do with what happened.

On the other hand it seems Didio now claims that this was planned all along and had nothing to do with the response to Bart's title - which if true seems a pretty brutal sacrifice of a great little character in Bart.
 
 
garyancheta
01:59 / 30.07.07
A re-thinking about the Lightning Saga:

Is it me or did anyone else get a weird 12 monkeys/Philip K. Dick vibe from this story. There's definitely that feel of heroes going back through time to valiantly change the future and merely just fulfilling the future.

This reminds me similar to the New Romanticism music in the early 80s and Emo subculture today. The heroic ideal in Romanticism is prided over everything else. Great men and women should be heralded in the face of an accelerated culture. Emo does something similar, where emotion is prided in the face of accelerated culture that seems to dehumanize others.

The Legion seemed to exemplify this ideal when we look at Lightning Saga as a whole. The Legion had come back through time to basically die. We have 7 heroes with emotional ties to each other. Dawnstar and Wildfire are two characters that have a very emotional relationship that can never succeed. Jeckie and KK have a doomed relationship...even from Jeckie's standpoint. Starman and Dreamer have a doomed relationship. Heck, even Braniac 5 had a doomed relationship with Supergirl.

These are all doomed relationships that is going to end with death. There seems to be this death urge in these characters. None of them have solid relationships or even relationships that are good for them. This isn't Garth and Imra's relationship...they all have very dark relationships to each other.

They go back through time to die. That's the overall purpose for this series. They are going to do something ultimately heroic for a greater purpose. From this respect, this is very emo hardcore or very new romantic: emotional people who are young that aren't meant to have happy lives.

While I read the story, I kept thinking about how much they are sort of like the "Endless" from the Sandman series:

When the Legion were sent back through time, they seem to embody different parts of the Endless =

* Destiny: Dream Girl...she can see into the future and is the most cryptic of the Legionnaires.

* Dream: Sensor Girl...she can give people their desires and their nightmares through illusions.

* Destruction: Wildfire...he creates a link from the past (Red Tornado) and can create or destroy with this energy bursts.

* Desire: Dawnstar...the hottest of the Legion in the past and she seemed pretty hot and heavy with the Thanagarian.

* Despair: Timber Wolf...he despairs for a life he can not have in the world (i.e. racing with Apes).

* Delirium: Starboy...both are completely insane and see the truths of the world in unique ways, but never seems to make sense.

* Death = Karate Kid...he's a killer in hand to hand combat and he died.

The Sandman series gave us an archetype of the Emo subculture (and, posibly, Goth too). Is this Legion meant to be an emulation of this archetype too? And for what purpose?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:23 / 30.07.07
I'm afraid I have to reject your analysis of the Lightning Saga, g, because according to your take on it, the Death figure is not a kooky Goth babe who would really like me if she met me.

Some things are canon, you know?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:55 / 30.07.07
I dunno, Karate Kid's pretty cute too. And super-fit!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:39 / 07.08.07
COUNTDOWN TO ADVENTURE starts up this week, as opposed to Countdown, Countdown to Infinite Crisis, et cetera. Starring the "space-heroes" of 52 -- Starfire, Animal Man, and Adam Strange -- whom many felt were the real boring plot strand in that old weekly comic (despite, hello, the horror of the Luthor/Steel story-argh). Will anybody be picking this up? Will you be boycotting on the grounds that they should have just called it Adventure Comics? This bland Forerunner girl, who is presumably going to have all the cultural impact of Waverider, has a back-up feature that leads to Godwin's Earth, Earth-10, Nazi-conquered super-heroes. Wonder Woman done up in swastikas and the like.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
14:59 / 07.08.07
Hmmm - the creative team on it doesn't look terrible exciting. But then on the other hand I'm still buying Countdown just because it's featuring the Pied Piper. So the chances of me resisting picking up a copy of a book starring Animal Man, if there's still a copy on the shelves are not terribly high really.
 
 
SiliconDream
04:19 / 01.09.07
Spoilers on Countdown to Adventure:
[+] [-] Spoiler

It's actually a very entertaining read. Paying for it kind of feels like paying drunks to fight for your amusement, though.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
05:38 / 01.09.07
I don't think it was intentional, but Buddy's behaviour towards the unconcious Starfire seemed to me to even outdo running around pissing on his lawn and shouting 'Buttocks and Heart' for sheer creepy weirdness.
 
 
Evil Scientist
06:52 / 01.09.07
Hang on, blue skin and pointed ears?

Bloody Sheeda get everywhere don't they?
 
 
SiliconDream
07:16 / 01.09.07
Hang on, blue skin and pointed ears?

Bloody Sheeda get everywhere don't they?


Hey, didn't think of that. Maybe the Sheeda invaded the ruined Earth, wiped out all the lost alien soldiers, and colonized the planet--then made up the "we're your hybrid children" story to win the affection of the other planets. A changeling species!

Well, probably not. But it would make more sense than the current explanation.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
12:51 / 01.09.07
Okay, anybody read Amazons Attack #6 yet? Okay, so the whole series was awful (following the '1) Bad thing happens involving Wonder Woman 2) Circe did it' formula of every single WW story since the OYL jump) but it contains something pretty damn important for Countdown...

[+] [-] Spoiler
 
 
Triplets
15:06 / 01.09.07
Spoiler no worky, Phex.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
16:14 / 01.09.07
Noted. I've submitted a mod request and a Mod request (one being a request for moderation, the other being a request for a somebody on a Vespa in a sharp suit eating cheap speed).
 
 
Captain Zoom
17:35 / 01.09.07
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but Final Crisis is also the title of the final installment of "Crisis on Infinite Earths". Be cool if Grant's story ties right back to the original.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:41 / 02.09.07
yeah, basically the lowdown is that Countdown still sucks, you're not missing anything by not reading it. I just glance at online summaries and each time I do, I think 'Wow, this hasn't gotten ANY better, has it...?'
 
 
PitrPatr
21:14 / 06.09.07
In response to some comments a few pages back about Jimmy apparently knowing who Jason Todd is:

Has anyone else noticed a trend in mainstream DC growing over the past few years, basically since Identity Crisis, where everyone and their mother knows everyone's secret identities? Over in Meltzer's JLA, the names "Bruce" and "Clark" get tossed around like it ain't no thang. I guess it's all part of trying to humanize the characters? or integrate the superhero community? or something?

In this vein, I don't buy it when they say that Jimmy's knowledge of Jason's s.i. is "intentionally wonky". I think they've just gotten carried away and everyone knows who everyone is now, which sort of takes the fun out of it, no?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:50 / 06.09.07
In lieu of actual moderation, I hope this works...

[+] [-] Phex's Spoiler?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:00 / 06.09.07
Yeah, I dunno what happened with Phex's earlier spoiler post-- no mod request went through that I saw.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
05:32 / 07.09.07
In this vein, I don't buy it when they say that Jimmy's knowledge of Jason's s.i. is "intentionally wonky". I think they've just gotten carried away and everyone knows who everyone is now, which sort of takes the fun out of it, no?

This may or may not be correct - but it should probably be noted that even if it was a cock-up initially they've now incorporated it into the plot - Jimmy inexplicably knows the secret ID's of many major characters now.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:58 / 07.09.07
I presume that had something to do with His Olsenness manifesting Silver Age Earth-1 Jimmy super-powers. On at least occasion, he manifested telepathy that let him guess that Superman and Clark were the same person - which he does shortly before he tries out for JLA this time 'round, right? I think I byrne-stole that. I assume they'll use that as an explanation for him totally salting other heroes' games.

Although, it would amuse me greatly if all the secret identities were for show, by this point--people just going through the motions for the sake of super-hero etiquette. Like using fish knives to eat fish and the like.
 
 
Jamie
13:55 / 07.09.07
Although, it would amuse me greatly if all the secret identities were for show, by this point--people just going through the motions for the sake of super-hero etiquette. Like using fish knives to eat fish and the like.

I would liken it more to professional wrestling, where (almost) everyone knows that the person you see in the ring is not the person you would meet walking down the street. Plus, there's more spandex and violence involved in wrestling than in eating fish.

It would make an interesting Elseworlds, but I wouldn't want it to be the status in the mainstream DCU.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:52 / 07.09.07
Plus, there's more spandex and violence involved in wrestling than in eating fish.

Clearly, you're eating fish incorrectly.
 
 
Jamie
21:15 / 31.10.07
Want to see an example of what's going wrong with DC's multiverse-spanning event on the creative side? Go check out this thread on the Comic Book Resources forums -- as an exchange between Scott Shaw! (artist and co-creator of the Captain Carrot Countdown tie-in) and Keith Champagne (author of the upcoming Countdown: Arena beat'em-up) reveals uncertainty about which Earth is which.

If the creators of two of Countdown's tie-ins can't keep this stuff straight even as they're coming out, what does that bode?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:41 / 31.10.07
I nearly picked up the first issue of Crime Bible today because - you know, Question - but the art looked terrible. And I nearly thought about buying the Countdown to Mystery because I like Justinano and there's something about it when I flipped through that reminded me of those Doctor Fate back-ups Keith Giffen used to do 'round about the three-hundreds era of the Barry Allen Flash. But, you know, pride.
 
 
FinderWolf
06:42 / 01.11.07
Anyone actually reading Starlin's DEATH OF THE NEW GODS? I applaud Didio wanting to do something with these characters, but man, I flipped through the first issue of Starlin's stuff and it just seemed so lackluster and uninteresting.
 
 
This Sunday
07:23 / 01.11.07
How did this end up requiring so many spin-offs? It's not like they have a fiat or a plan for the main book, right? It's not got to be adjusted or fluctuated to keep in line with the OYL business or anything like that. So, is it just for the extra cash they might get?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:15 / 01.11.07
I applaud Didio wanting to do something with these characters

What by killing them? Yeah good ol' bloodlust Didio!

I presume they're only being 'killed' in order for Uncle Grant to bring them back in some new form during 'Final Crisis'. Least I hope so otherwise it's a fucking shame. I heard that


SPOILERS



Barda died. Wow DC reaaaaaaally don't like their happily married couples do they.
 
 
Mario
11:14 / 01.11.07
Check out the text pages this week. There's a relevant section about Final Crisis and the "Fifth World".
 
 
Grady Hendrix
13:00 / 28.11.07
So out of boredom I read the latest issue of COUNTDOWN and...HOLY SHIT! I don't understand! It hurts my face! It burns my skin! My eyeballs are blistering!

There's an evil Superman? And he spends the whole issue torturing Mr. Mxyztplk? And then Mr. M asks him to look inside his pants and check out his penis? And then Mr. M pukes on the reader? And Zatana cuts his heart out? And apparently people at DC think 19-year-olds talk like 6-year-olds ("Help me get rid of all these dumb earths. I'm sick of trying to figure out which one sucks more.")

Has DC gone insane?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:03 / 28.11.07
Yes. And not in a good way.
 
 
Spaniel
13:36 / 28.11.07
God, it really is the appalling, isn't it? It's so tedious and lifeless and nonsensical (in the worst possible sense of the word).
 
 
Haus of Mystery
18:43 / 28.11.07
I think DC in general is a fucking horrible mess at the moment. They totally fudged the opportunity to relaunch their core titles post Infinite Crisis (witness: the balls up of Wonder Woman, Flash and Superman), and seem tatally insistent on alienating new (and old) readers with convoluted crossovers and lifeless spin-offs (I mean 'Countdown Presents: Lord Havok and The Extremists' - are you sure? 'Four Horsemen'? - really?). It's fucking appalling, and it seems to be because Dan Didio wants to recreate the eighties period DC he dearly loves. I hate to be 'enraged Fanboy' but the man needs to step the fuck off.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:04 / 29.11.07
There's an evil Superman? And he spends the whole issue torturing Mr. Mxyztplk? And then Mr. M asks him to look inside his pants and check out his penis? And then Mr. M pukes on the reader? And Zatana cuts his heart out? And apparently people at DC think 19-year-olds talk like 6-year-olds ("Help me get rid of all these dumb earths. I'm sick of trying to figure out which one sucks more.")

I looked at that in the shop and was bemused (out of self-protection) that he flies through space, thinking about how's he's suddenly all buff and manly and can not be in any way construed as a Superboy, thereby dealing with any potential lawsuit shenanigans. I kept expecting him to stop and examine himself in the mirror, running a hand over the black spandex fetish Superman suit he picked up somewhere...and enjoying it a little too much...

Then I sat down and gently rocked back and forth that paper was being wasted in mass-producing this shit.
 
 
Jestocost
04:07 / 01.12.07
I've come to think of it all as the DC Emo Universe, honestly. That way I can still have fun while reading it. "Black" Mary Marvel is not that far from the whining Superboyman Prime sulkfests, to save you some backreading.

The Starlin mini on the New Gods, I'm undecided for now. It begins to look like one of those gimmicks to introduce The New Megavillain Of The Universe (TM) things. I mean, you already have the AM, the Sinestro Corps, Parallax, Grannie, Ultraman, etc etc (I honestly think they haven't left any stone unturned in the throw-it-on-the-BBQ-too department by now... who's left? The guy who killed Batman's parents comes back from the dead too?).
 
  

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