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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:17 / 04.05.07
As for post-mortem discussion of 52 shows signs of strain and distraction here, perhaps it's time to turn our attention to the new weekly comic book anthology series, Countdown.

Solicitations can be found here, with what looks to be a rather dull first cover -- generic "everybody rushing at the ready pose" -- rather than something like 52's bold "empty icons" first cover.

I'm concerned about the bit about it starting off with a character dying and the "ripples" being felt throughout the DCU -- have we learned nothing from Sue Dibny and Ted Kord? Is this just going to be the new event formula - kill off a (presumably) minor character and then bask in the glorious Internet squabbles? At least in the old days they'd wait until Issue Six or Seven and it'd probably be a Flash so you could predict it a little bit.

But we've got Jimmy Olsen and Mary Marvel among the viewpoint characters, hints at the Fourth World hoo-ha that's been building up. Will people be buying this come May 9th?
 
 
_pin
18:00 / 04.05.07
I will be, as a toe-dip into the wonderful world of being an idiot about comics, so can I reiterate my q' in DC's mythology thread about what are good titles to read along side this, and where are good places to pick them up (am in the process of getting and then reading the Crisises)? Other then All new Atom. And the titles with issues corssing over listed on the Wiki.

And related to that; why do all the Superman titles seem to run one plot between them?

And is anyone going to die stright out the bag?

And will there be another World War III?
 
 
Mario
18:17 / 04.05.07
I probably won't buy the series. At this point, it's too large an investment. But I'll certainly monitor the boards so I can keep track of the New Gods content.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:46 / 04.05.07
I will definitely be reading this; since I love Mr. Paul Dini's stuff for the most part ...I don't care much about Jingle Belle or his new femme fatale over at Top Cow, Madame Mirage, though, but his DC stuff is always either terrific or just solid. I have found that I like his writing more in animated DCU-land than in actual DC comic-land; something about the rhythm of his writing seems to lend itself more to animation than to a comic, I feel. It's like his comic writing can feel a little bit flat somehow on the page. Whereas with TV or video stuff, there's far less dialogue than there is in comics and more plot/action, and so Dini's clever plot ideas, witty remarks, excellent character insights, etc. are more distilled down to their primal essence somehow.

I know Dini's not writing all of it but I have faith in him as a 'showrunner.' And the other writers are decent. I'm especially curious to see what Sean McKeever does with DC character.

Not crazy about the Mary Marvel goes eeevil and gets possessed by Eclipso' storyline that they've teased in solicits, though.... haven't we already seen that in the recent Giffen/DeMatteis BWAAH-HAAA-HA miniseries? Also, if Jean Loring-as-Eclipso went away for a while and DC characters stopped getting Eclipsoed, that would be great for me. There's only so much you can do with 'oooh! aaah! This character is possessed/evil!!! Look out!'

They can't really kill Jimmy Olsen, but I guess they can try to make this character more interesting (along the lines of what Grant M. is doing with him over in All-Star Supes) and put him in increasingly perilous, hopefully-on-the-edge-of-your seat situations. Or they could "kill" him, I suppose, the way Superman and Captain America were "killed."

Also curious to see the Fourth World/Darkseid stuff.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:20 / 04.05.07
Plus, on Mary Marvel: the 'good, super-nice, squeaky-clean girl goes BAD and wears sexy clothes, gets all violent and stuff' is a pretty tired device, even for comics. If Dini can do something interesting with that concept, some spin on it or something that makes it different than the 1000 other times we've seen it, my hat's off to him.
 
 
Rachel Evil McCall
20:10 / 04.05.07
I'll probably be picking it up, if for no other reason than as an excuse to keep going to the comic shop every so often.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:28 / 04.05.07
Is Mary going to get a bad girl makeover, or is she just getting a Black Mary Marvel outfit as shown on one of the teaser covers?

Not crazy about the Mary Marvel goes eeevil and gets possessed by Eclipso' storyline that they've teased in solicits, though.... haven't we already seen that in the recent Giffen/DeMatteis BWAAH-HAAA-HA miniseries? Also, if Jean Loring-as-Eclipso went away for a while and DC characters stopped getting Eclipsoed, that would be great for me. There's only so much you can do with 'oooh! aaah! This character is possessed/evil!!! Look out!'

Well, based on those teaser posters, I expect we're going to get some "I can't believe it's not Claremont" sexy sapphic corruption, which is different...for DC.

Additionally, I can't help going back to THE DARKNESS WITHIN whenever Eclipso - any version - shows up. I thought that - hoped that - it would have been the last gasping climax of the Dark Phoenix Syndrome and whenever Eclipso shows up I'm catapulted back to that storyline, in the Nineties, when everybody had annuals and they all had to have a big crossover running through them. A big, lame crossover.

For my part, I'm hoping they somehow include Jimmy having an adventure in the Thirty-First Century, possibly all the Legion girls pretending to fall in love with him. Because Legionnaires should be jerks.
 
 
Bubblegum Death
23:11 / 04.05.07
The first half of issue 51 is up at Myspace.

I enjoyed 52, but haven't decided about Countdown yet.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
01:08 / 05.05.07
The Jimmy Olsen death (killed by Joker's laughing gas in the Daily Planet offices I heard) has been so, so, so promoted that there's no way he's either dying or staying dead. You think Marvel gave out 'The Death of Captain America' pins at comic-cons months before Cap #25? Did anyone hear advance warnings about Sue Dibney- or Ralph for that matter- more than a week before their respective comeuppances? Nuh-uh. There's no way DC would promote the hell out of the death of one of their most beloved characters.
The 'Jimmy Olsen Must Die' section of Countdown will probably turn out to be a cat'n'mouse game between Jimmy and Joker followed by Jimmy manning up and finding the HERO INSIDE and confronting ol' pointy chin (who I'm guessing will be the Clown Prince of Crime rather than the Clown at Midnight seeing as Paul Dini is captain of this ship of fools).

FUN COUNTDOWN FACT: 'The Seduction of the Innocent' was the title of a 1954 book about the moral dangers of comic books- which is total nonsense and if anybody says different I'll stuff their girlfriend in a freezer and rip them in half. With my. Bare. Hands.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:19 / 05.05.07
...well, if Jimmy does die right off the bat, how is that going to generate far-reaching ripples? Because he's really only important in a meta-sense...on a narrative level Superman and Family will care, and maybe Batman (because Joker's his enemy and Jimmy's Clark's pal and he's all with the Clark man-love)...but is that really going to effect more than a small circle?
 
 
This Sunday
02:23 / 05.05.07
Papers, those Legion girls would love Jimmy, he's the sidekick superfan. He's Superman's goddammed pal. The Legion boys would be all over him.

But I do want to see a knuckleduster in an issue called Plus Fours versus Pantaloons where Jimmy just Shadowhawks a thousand fake Jokers, working his way up to the Clown at Midnight, and then calling in Supes to beat him up. I'm sure Jimmy has the blackmail photos to make Supes do it just this once.
 
 
This Sunday
23:09 / 05.05.07
Do we know Mary's getting evil? She doesn't look particularly evil in that cover image. I'm hoping she's somewhere warm, with that ruffle she's got 'round her waist, but it's not indicative of evil. Skirt + Gradeschool Class + Commando = might be getting towards the sort of territory where Supergirl, if she were the classic Supergirl, would probably go punch her several times and come out looking heroic, but just off that cover, she's just trying to get as much of a tan as she can. And, poor pale thing, she needs it.

Joker looks evil, Mary looks... passive and pandering. And, weirdly, I'd really like to see a Joker pic with him in that pose. Possibly that outfit. Bowie-Joker yaoi pose for that emo-dollar.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:34 / 05.05.07
If Jimmy Olsen is ritually slaughtered in the most painful and humiliating way imaginable by issue 51, I may keep following this series.

And if not, I guess I won't.

DC have got two issues, tops, then, to decide if they want people like me to carry on reading.

I suppose, with hindsight, that I'm now not sure if 'Identity Crisis' went nearly far enough ...
 
 
diz
01:03 / 06.05.07
They can't seriously be killing Jimmy Olsen, can they? Why on Earth would that be a good idea?
 
 
This Sunday
01:08 / 06.05.07
They're not. For long, anyway. Odds are, they'll just re-kill the oldschool Question. I may have to write Mary Marvel/Jimmy Olsen slash, within the next fifty-one weeks, though.

Jimmy's about as dead as Captain America. Extra points if they bring him back with four mystery Jims and then the real Olsen stomps around in a big alien mecha.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:40 / 06.05.07
I think Phex has nailed it as far as predictions for what will happen to li'l ol' Jimmy.

The logo design (from the myspace-linked pages) is interesting -- will they really create a new logo (52, 51, 50, 49, 48 etc.) every issue with that font to go over the cover, or is the huge 52 logo just a first issue thing to show that it sort-of continues from 52.
 
 
Mario
16:57 / 06.05.07
I'm pretty sure somewhere in the advance press they talked about Jimmy's story arc. Hard to do if he dies in the first issue.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
17:50 / 06.05.07
Unless his story takes place in about in Hell or Space B or he's replaced by his gee-whiz, bow-tie wearing, non-digital camera having Earth 2 version.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
22:38 / 06.05.07
So, does Black Adam being on the cover mean he's making a comeback already?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
22:59 / 06.05.07
Hey, he's a great character: he's angry all the time and sometimes he gets so angry he has to rip people in half! That's totally three dimensional and the kids can relate!
 
 
This Sunday
22:59 / 06.05.07
Wildstorm Jimmy? There are fifty-two of him, at the least.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:25 / 07.05.07
Interesting to note that DC just named Doug Mahnke as artist (covers and interiors) for an upcoming Black Adam miniseries. While I wonder how they have can Adam in Countdown and in a separate miniseries and not have it be overexposure of, as just pointed out here, a very limited character in terms of characterization, I do look forward to at least seeing more of Manhke's art on the shelves (after he left Stormwatch or whatever that Wildstorm series was).
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
22:22 / 07.05.07
Having bought all of 52 - and enjoyed it, to a large degree - I'm now faced with the inevitable problem: I'm curious about COUNTDOWN, but I know that if I buy the first few issues, I'll feel I need to keep buying them. And I'm not sure I'm up for that again... So I have a couple of questions:

1) Does COUNTDOWN follow on from 52 chronologically? IOW, one year ago in DC continuity? Or is it set now?

2) COUNTDOWN to what? DC's next Event?
 
 
Mario
23:15 / 07.05.07
Countdown takes place in the present, so #51 takes place a year after 52 #52
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:48 / 08.05.07
I'm actually a little irritated at how much DC seems to be recycling its event names - COUNTDOWN comes to soon after Infinite Crisis, which had its own COUNTDOWN books (which were collected as something like COUNTDOWN TO CRISIS?) and Identity followed by Infinite...it feels like the "events" are starting to come apart at the seams as the DCU lives in a perpetual motion crisis machine (more so than usual) - not so much that the machine is going to grind to a halt at some point, but the constant duress is going to led to a complete collapse - we're not living in "event comics" times - we're living in on-going spectacle and crossover. This is the real apocalypse, the wearing away...

But, yeah, I suspect this is a COUNTDOWN to the Great Distaster foretold in the solicit images of Darkseid and the mysterious Fourth World event. Nuts to them if it's just more "Darkseid trying to penetrate the Source Wall" balderdash -- I imagine I'd be more interested if all of a sudden Highfather was the one to say FUCK IT and try to break on through to the other side.
 
 
Jared Louderback
05:41 / 08.05.07
I, for one, am hoping for "Jimmy Olsens adventures in Heaven and Hell!"

Jimmy Olsen annoys Neuron!
Jimmy Olsen gets in a rap battle for the fate of mankind with the Demon!
Jimmy Olsen annoys God!
Jimmy Olsen hangs out with the Blue Beetle, Barry Allen (till the bring him back) and Kurt Cobain!
Jimmy Olsen annoys The Endless!
Jimmy Olsen meets Vishnu and becomes enlightened!
AND THEN THE PHANTOM STRANGER SHOWS UP!

If even half of those things happen, I'd be glad. Probably not though, eh?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
06:13 / 08.05.07
I, for one, am hoping for "Jimmy Olsens adventures in Heaven and Hell!"

Deadman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen?
 
 
Jared Louderback
06:16 / 08.05.07
GOOD LORD, I forgot about deadman. Yes, I suppose Jimmy could annoy him too. Or, deadman could annoy Jimmy.


Did Deadman even show up in fiddytwo?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
06:29 / 08.05.07
I have this sudden, overwhelming urge to write saucy buddypic Deadman/Jimmy slash.

I will resist this terrible demon.
 
 
This Sunday
06:53 / 08.05.07
saucy buddypic Deadman/Jimmy slash

I've never written fanfic in my life - if you don't include stuff where you change the names and haircuts, anyway - but for the life of me, combined with my sudden fascination with Jimmy Olsen and Mary Marvel hooking up, has run over to a new line of stories, oneshots, if you will: Jimmy Olsen Sleeps With... where you just plug in a new character each time, Brave and the Bold style, with a little Stan Lee Creates... spice.

Greatest team-up book ever? Position Anarky as Jim's nemesis, because he basically Grant's version of Olsen if Olsen had less costume changes. Olsen/Deadman. Olsen/Mary Marvel. Olsen/J'onn J'onzz. Olsen/GL/GA for the first annual or an anniverary issue. Find a new reason or way for everybody to end up kinky and sticky every issue?

With that out of the way, I will say I'm far more interested in fifty-plus issues of Jimmy annoys God. than I am whatever Countdown will probably end up being.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:08 / 09.05.07
Dini looks like he's bringing a solid game in the preview pages; plus, we get the wacky Duela Dent in the book! Always a fun/silly character to see. First issue out today, I believe.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
17:37 / 09.05.07
T'is, so be warned of SPOILERS from here on out:














This is a solid first issue with all-round decent art and writing, marred somewhat by some odd characterization... or is it?
It starts with Duella Dent kidnapping a pop starlet and being stopped by Jason Todd. That's right folks, a superhero and former Titan during 52 (admittedly one with some, ah, moral inconsistencies, but one who was on the side of the angels last time we saw her in Teen Titans) is the bad guy and a murderous crime-boss is the good guy- to the point where he hands over the shaken pop-starlet to the police, who apparently don't have an APB on him from the dozens of murder, racketeering and drugs charges he clocked up in the 'Under The Hood' arc in Batman. It looks like he's being rebranded as DC's version of Punisher- if Big Pun' was Captain America's sidekick and came back to life after Thor punched reality in the nuts. Comics are silly. Oh, and Duella refers to Red Hood by his civilian name, and while I'm not up on Duella's backstory apart from her occasional Titans appearances, I don't think somebody trained by Batman would give up his alter-ego to somebody who bills herself as the frickin' Joker's Daughter. But then, there seems to be a lot about Duella we don't know.
Then we've got Trickster gate-crashing a Rogues getogether- I've never been much into Flash nor his villains, he's always seemed like more of a team player (in the JLA) than somebody who should have their own title, so whatever this part does it doesn't do it to me. Maybe somebody with better Flash-fu can say more about this section that I.
There's a little Darkseid, a little Monitor Corps, some Mary Marvel (with bonus Freddy-Freeman-acting-like-a-jerk action!), the source-wall redefined as the barrier between the 52 universes... and no Jimmy bloody Olsen until next week, so we will never know what haircut he has or whether Superman has married him to a gorilla (What? They did it all the time back in the Silver-age).
 
 
Triplets
17:47 / 09.05.07
But did you like it? (The comic, not the gorilla husbandry, although...)
 
 
slagar
18:09 / 09.05.07
". Oh, and Duella refers to Red Hood by his civilian name, and while I'm not up on Duella's backstory apart from her occasional Titans appearances, I don't think somebody trained by Batman would give up his alter-ego to somebody who bills herself as the frickin' Joker's Daughter. But then, there seems to be a lot about Duella we don't know."

i think the larger question, which shows a problem from the start in addressing the multiverse, is why an alternate Duella, who is aware that she is on an alternate Earth, thinks she knows who is under the Red Hood.

sure, there's a whole lot about about Duella we don't know, she's from an alternate Earth. that's starting off the series fairly cheaply.

my guess is she was pull by Darkseid, briefed and then dropped on Earth. why not just drop her dead body somewhere? the Monitors see it head to the source wall, Red Hood finds the body starts an investigation.... it eliminates her chatter about the alternate Earth. let them find out about it themselves, which it seems they are going to have to do anyway.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:25 / 09.05.07
>> the source-wall redefined as the barrier between the 52 universes

ooooh, I like this idea...
 
  

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