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The Thread For Normal Blokes

 
  

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grant
18:42 / 29.03.07
I live with a 13-year-old boy who is on the internets, and miss wonderstarr just freaked me the fu{k owt!!
 
 
Princess
18:43 / 29.03.07
Um, not that I'm gay or anything Trampo, but if you wanted to come to my house and talk about women then I live here
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:49 / 29.03.07
MODS!! lol can u get rid of Lulabelle on p1, talk about bringing down the mood, fuckin hell is it hormones luv, no offence!

come on we can all take a joke but if u invade my personal space on here again Im starting a BAN thread, whose with me! lol
 
 
petunia
18:51 / 29.03.07
didn't even post a pic!

cummon love! i bet your sexy!
 
 
petunia
18:53 / 29.03.07
if u havnt seen the ad i got the pic ov just befour, u should well check it out. It's fukkin nuts! (and i dont mean the mag LOL)

listen to wot these normal blokes got to say. they drink carlin

http://www.carling.com/contactus/comments/advert.html
 
 
Chiropteran
19:05 / 29.03.07
Clearly I'm just stupid and not in the club because I'm really confused about it.

Eh, I don't get it either. But, you know what they say: boys will be- mmmph... Sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a little.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:10 / 29.03.07
Normal blokes don't join internet boards...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:12 / 29.03.07
nice 1 trampy mate better than anything on the tele

GOIN OUT TONIGHT! BABY YOU AND I GOIN OUT TONIGHT lol wicked, got me singing along (ive had one or 3 bevvies myself, u?)

glad were in a safe space here m8 I can say what i think abt those comments

Chris from Dorset

Quite simply the best advert I have ever seen. The combination of the wonderful starling display and music is spot on. Well done!


Oh la la wat a posh bloke, I went to uni and I can use long words


Laura from Stoke-on-trent

Really like this advert but still don't understand the connection between the birds and Carling.


ffs need I say more

there is no connection between birds and carling love, it's a lads drink!! stick to the WKD pmsl


Olie from Southport

I don't get the new advert personally because i mean whats starlings got to do with having a bevvie, don't get me wrong its really good and all that but i just don't get it


fuckin hell m8.. duhhh I dont get it my name is Olie from Southport I am a mongrel



Matt from Durham, England

Sorry, it dosen't work for me. I like the "belong" concept, the starlings are amazing to look at, and the track is great, but just not at the same time! The music and the images just don't go together in my eyes. I think it would have been more effective - more arresting - to accompany the images with silence, then finish up with the "BELONG" tag. Simple as that. Try it, just once. You may be surprised!



mister Wonderstarr, Woolwich says: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TOO MANY KIDS DO MEDIA STUDIES

nuff said

i'm a birdwatcher myself lol not the feather variety
 
 
The Ghost of Tom Winter
19:14 / 29.03.07
lol wtf .trampetunia! wtf do birds have 2 do wit beer? lol. i lmao'ed. lol neways u guyz r awsome we shuld do sometihng some time. (not in a gay way tho! lol) lol ne ways i got alot of beer we can drink lol should be fun.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:15 / 29.03.07
[ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE. I think Olulabelle does have a good point. It made me feel a bit guilty about my first post... but then in writing the above, I felt more that I was... writing in a character or a voice, creating a kind of persona, rather than trying to sweepingly parody and belittle a social group. Maybe the first involved the second. But I'd also suggest:

~ people do write just like I did above, in various places online... it is not just a wild invention

~ it's interesting as an experiment that the "normal" group is actually a cultural "Other" on Barbelith, and it's interesting, I think, for people to try to inhabit that position, and see Barbelith from that position.]
 
 
Princess
19:26 / 29.03.07
[Also, on a personal note, cathartic. Possibly deeply unethical, I'm still figuring it out, but cathartic. Scary, heteronormative, anti-learning types are quite often telling me to be more normal and it can get frustrating. Maybe this isn't constructive as such, but it serves a purpose.]

omigod theyve opened a polish shop in the vilage near me. wot, are they goin to seell special polish food like polish cabbage. nice to see one of them making a new job rather than stealing one of ours thou.
 
 
Smoothly
19:28 / 29.03.07
You are kidding yourself. This will end in tears.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:32 / 29.03.07
I'm still enjoying those Coke Zero ads, myself. They seem to be about male liberation, in a way. Why can't we have mobile phones without the annoying ring-tones? Why can't we have grown-out fin haircuts and shiny short-sleeved shirts without ... all the negatives?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:43 / 29.03.07
I was just thinking about the Coke Zero ads.

"Imagine girlfriends - without the five year plan!"

It's funny, but it is kind of true, isn't it?

(On a more serious note - yes, Olulabelle is broadly correct. It does not seem useful to put on comedy mannerisms of stupid people, povvos and rough boys, not least because it is offtopic. This is not a thread for monsters from the middle-class id. It is a thread for Normal Blokes.)
 
 
petunia
19:43 / 29.03.07
i'm somewhat with princess on this one (but not in that way! lol! we're mates!)

the large chunk of hetnorm society seems to follow this role, a role that can be pretty oppressive and scarey for people, including me. in parody/mockery/etc, there is a chance for a kind of catharsis.

i suppose it is a bit mean, really.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:45 / 29.03.07
[I feel bad about what my character said to Olulabelle above, really. It was meant as a satire and a sort of reverso-view of Barbelith, where "normal" men now have to claim, cherish and aggressively protect their safe space within this corner of the internet, but I don't know if writing within a voice excuses it.]
 
 
imaginary mice
19:46 / 29.03.07
[I've just been blogging about how guys I meet in 'real life' are never as articulate and intelligent as the people on Barbelith.

This thread is so creeping me out right now.]
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:48 / 29.03.07
[It is a thread for Normal Blokes.

Normal blokes, and normal women, do write that way on the internet. The Carling site linked to above has comments exactly like that in tone and style. I think it's how the majority of people email, text and post on discussion boards.

That said, true there is clearly a class and education element to the character I'm doing above. But I feel it's not a straight parody ~ it is meant as a textual portrait, an exploration of character.

Seems it certainly was doomed to end in tears, or at least that the laughter was doomed to run out very quickly.]
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:51 / 29.03.07
[fun while it lasted though! for me. anyway.]
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:54 / 29.03.07
[I feel bad about what my character said to Olulabelle above, really. It was meant as a satire and a sort of reverso-view of Barbelith, where "normal" men now have to claim, cherish and aggressively protect their safe space within this corner of the internet, but I don't know if writing within a voice excuses it.]

But that's not really the point, I think. The point is that nobody talks or behaves like that in this corner of the Internet, do they? That's just it. You've made up a middle-class monster from the id - an inarticulate, text-speaking, lol-ing subhuman. Not a Normal Bloke. If it had remained for Normal Blokes, Olulabelle would not have had to draw attention to the awkward grotesques of working-class masculinity intruding into it.
 
 
petunia
19:55 / 29.03.07
SAFE PLACE!

SAFE PLACE!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:00 / 29.03.07
[I've been reading it less as a send-up of working class people, and more as a send-up of the "awkward grotesques" created when University-educated media wankers with lots of money try to mimic same; and when the people who the advertisers are trying to appeal to (wannabe working class, mostly, not the actual working classes. That'd just be stupid. Chavs don't have money, they just nick stuff) start acting/writing like the blokes in the ads, in the magazines, on the telly. Most of the thread, anyhow.]
 
 
Princess
20:00 / 29.03.07
["This part of the internet" isn't really germaine to "normal" is it though? The majority of young men, in my peer group anyway, would probably see Barbelith as fairly ridiculous place.]
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:01 / 29.03.07
But that's not really the point, I think. The point is that nobody talks or behaves like that in this corner of the Internet, do they? That's just it. You've made up a middle-class monster from the id - an inarticulate, text-speaking, lol-ing subhuman. Not a Normal Bloke. If it had remained for Normal Blokes, Olulabelle would not have had to draw attention to the awkward grotesques of working-class masculinity intruding into it.

Sort of, except that Flyboy's persona was riddled with LOLs, and also I don't think my character is subhuman at all, or a monster. I think he is insecure and seeking reassurance, mostly. That's what I was trying to put across... a sort of edgy nervousness. In fact, that's what the lols are mostly about. (When you have to explain and unpack it, you've probably failed!)

True, that sort of style, tone and content doesn't get onto Barbelith much, which is surely the point of the satire ~ exploring Barbelith from the position, and in the style of, the sort of person who posts elsewhere on the internet.

But I don't think that sort of persona I was doing is made up, ie. invented out of my head ~ I don't think it's a monster, or stereotype, or certainly not a subhuman ~ and I also don't think I "started it", for what that's worth, although I agree I elevated it to a new level, quite possibly because I am familiar with that kind of internet discourse (hem hem! uni speak).
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:03 / 29.03.07
Also, I feel Princess and .trampetunia have started role-playing a pretty interesting scenario, from this thread, about two guys who are feeling carefully and nervously towards expressing feelings and attraction for each other ~ just as I didn't really see my "character" as one-dimensional, either, even in those few posts.

I'd suggest that despite some obvious sticking points and unfortunate side-effects, some interesting things are coming from this role-play.
 
 
petunia
20:04 / 29.03.07
What you sayin?!

HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING?!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:06 / 29.03.07
I'm in your bedroom! lol.
 
 
petunia
20:09 / 29.03.07
kin perv
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:10 / 29.03.07
Which then allows us to create a nice comforting distance, so that PS, for example, can say that Barbelith is not really for the "normal", when, as near as I can tell, this thread was precisely a reaction to activity on Barbelith, in which, not in text speak and not larded with these obvious tics (Flyboy's post used LOL once; no riddling), attempts to put non-standard readings on, for example, 300 and the Comic Relief single were being decried as people making up conspiracy theories or looking for "offence", or the complaining of PC policing. Therapy threads for the rough boys we secretly wanted to like us having been mean to us at school have their place, although ideally that place is LiveJournal, where live action scally-fantasy sex play might also be best placed. This, however, is a thread for Normal Blokes.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:11 / 29.03.07
[I feel bad about what my character said to Olulabelle above, really. It was meant as a satire and a sort of reverso-view of Barbelith, where "normal" men now have to claim, cherish and aggressively protect their safe space within this corner of the internet, but I don't know if writing within a voice excuses it.]

This is fascinating, because what your character and .trampetunia's character said made me feel bad even though I knew it was your character saying it and not really you. It was a very peculiar feeling and I can't really get my head around it. How can I be upset about something that isn't really real and isn't really meant?


Oh. See. Now I'm back on the IT'S A JOKE thing and I'm even more confused.
 
 
petunia
20:21 / 29.03.07
The role i was playing was intended to reflect many of the middle-class boys i have grown up with and know, but this obviously doesn't come across clearly.

Also, it's a bit shit if it's making lula feel uncomfortable.

So i'll leave the thread for people who can write Normal Blokes a bit better than i.

Apologies.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:22 / 29.03.07
It is not you. It is the thread!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:24 / 29.03.07
as near as I can tell, this thread was precisely a reaction to activity on Barbelith, in which, not in text speak and not larded with these obvious tics (Flyboy's post used LOL once; no riddling),

You're right of course. There was a "haha" which might have confused me.

attempts to put non-standard readings on, for example, 300 and the Comic Relief single were being decried as people making up conspiracy theories or looking for "offence".

Ah, well I didn't realise it had that kind of satirical intent, and just joined it for the pleasure of "writing a character" I suppose.

Therapy threads for the rough boys we secretly wanted to like us having been mean to us at school have their place, although ideally that place is LiveJournal, where live action scally-fantasy sex play might also be best placed. This, however, is a thread for Normal Blokes.

I take your point, but surely there are a lot of threads on Conversation that don't stay on-topic (I had some idea that on-topic rules were waived for Conversation, in fact) and involve light role-play (the Barbarian thread) or just aimless chat (Late Shift, etc).

It's true that if someone started being a Bloke on the Barbarian thread, that wouldn't be appropriate. But a thread can be allowed to evolve on this specific board, I think, and doesn't necessarily have to stick to its original remit ~ I also have a bit of a problem with the fact that I was out of the loop of the original satire, and I don't know if that's my fault for not realising what exact Barbelith behaviour Flyboy was parodying (I have been reading the boards, but the target of this thread still wasn't obvious to me). If the "point" of a thread isn't obvious (and is perhaps deliberately obscure to an extent, for the purposes of veiled parody ~ that is, Flyboy didn't say "I'm taking the piss particularly out of THIS and THIS", because that would have destroyed the point) can people be more readily excused for making their own purposes out of it?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:28 / 29.03.07
when, as near as I can tell, this thread was precisely a reaction to activity on Barbelith,

I see you are a bit uncertain about it yourself. Maybe that was part of the "problem" with this thread... I certainly picked it up for entirely different reasons (exploring a persona) and didn't see its intention, and so took it off-topic.
 
 
sleazenation
20:30 / 29.03.07
[I've been reading it less as a send-up of working class people, and more as a send-up of the "awkward grotesques" created when University-educated media wankers with lots of money try to mimic same

What order of simulicra is this again?
 
  

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