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Cross-cultural misunderstandings

 
  

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Tryphena Absent
12:49 / 04.04.07
I mean you do realise granny that as a white British person you're a drunken, disorderly football hooligan who has no self discipline and yells constantly. In the summer you like to walk around with your shirt off showing everyone your pasty body and tan lines. You're not artistic, you're not interesting, you're just aggressive and uncivilised because you're British and if I was from any other European country I wouldn't want you there because you're all the same really. Aren't you?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:46 / 04.04.07
Nina, I hope Barbelith will stand behind me when I say to you, clearly, that this is no way to treat an old lady.

Perhaps some of you would be happier if I was dead, but it simply doesn't matter. All the wad I've earned in this world is going to my best and only friend, Tiddles.

There's nothing apart from a signed photo of (or, if you like, a special evening with) GM that could possibly make me change my mind, now.
 
 
Quantum
13:52 / 04.04.07
There is definitely a really great fascination and interest in Japan with Chinese and Korean cultures, and yes, this is because there are some cultural similarities due to the kind of shared histories. Crimson

So, like Britain and France or USA and Canada?
 
 
jentacular dreams
14:47 / 04.04.07
The USA and canada are different countries?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:55 / 04.04.07
Canada = USA - balls,! srely?
 
 
jentacular dreams
15:02 / 04.04.07
More seriously, hasn't it already been established in the born in the USA thread that the culture can vary massively across the US? Is it not more than possible that the same is true of other large nations, such as china or india?
 
 
grant
16:08 / 04.04.07
It's absolutely true in China, although, well, China is a/sliightly smaller (space-wise) than the US, and b/ has much less population distribution. See this map for an idea of what I'm talking about.

There's a similar map of the US here, although the population isn't to scale -- the Chinese map has more dots because each dot is 5,000 people, while the American map has 7,500 people-per-dot.

Still, it should be fairly clear that China's population is something like taking San Diego, LA, San Francisco and Seattle -- and, for that matter, Dallas, Houston, Minneapolis & St. Louis -- and folding them (and all their history) over into New York, Boston and Philadelphia. Once you get west of Chongqing, there's a whole lot of Himalaya and even more Gobi.

Funny thing about China, though -- a dude in Urumqi, in the far west, might not have much in common with a dude in Shanghai (for one thing, the dude in Urumqi's going to have a *lot* fewer neighbors), but their watches are going to be set to the same time. More fruits of cultural dominance, I guess.
 
 
crimson
06:08 / 05.04.07
yeah, its weird in Japan too in that people in different parts have a different language, dialects are incomprehensible even for Japanese, although standard Japanese is common among all younger people now...yeah, there is different food, traditions, festivals...its wild

Id love to visit China, it seems a country of extremes, guess it would take forever to explore it all..

Its like Yorkshire really, theres a cake called Parkin and the way it should be made, its like toffee, really thick ad chewy but oaty and spicy. Its kind of weird that even people in the next county havent heard of it, and when commercial companies try to make it they invariably mess up and make it more like a cake rather than the slow cooked pieces of decadence it really is.
 
 
stabbystabby
08:39 / 06.04.07
the difference in Japanese dialects is on par with say, the difference between Cockney and Deep Southern. Nothing like the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese.
 
 
This Sunday
09:24 / 06.04.07
Jumping in straight off the summary, but I find it absurd and unnecessary to ever sit back and excuse what I consider inappropriate or wrong with a handwave of 'it's their culture', and I'm wondering if I'm alone in this. Or, alone with rightwing nutjobs I also disapprove often of.

Seriously, I wouldn't excuse it because of geographic location, gender, sexuality, or religion, so why general other-culture? People try it with cutting up childrens' genitals. With teaching that other people aren't human. That the monk who crucified that nun last year was doing what he thought best and besides, y'know, it's their culture. See also: rape, genocide, theft, conquest, and general asshole abuse. Because it's just their culture.

Which, is not to excuse demonising another culture or making inocuous practices seem evil and vile because they're dissimilar to our own. As the kid who didn't have enough sense not to admit at school that of course we eat dog and of course we put food out for the dead, I hope to avoid that route entirely.
 
 
Tsuga
23:39 / 06.04.07
Yeah, well, it seems to me a kind of grey area. I think there are still a few groups of people left (very high in the Amazon basin and in the mountains of Papua) who still have virtually no contact with the outside world. If you found out some "barbaric" custom was going on there, would it be right to go in and stop it? I'd like every human to be enlightened and all, but there is something to be said for respecting a culture that is unique (granted, this is the extreme example).It seems there are things in every group of humans both excellent and repellent. There are some things I may feel certain are right or wrong, but if it's an integral part of a society, what do you do?
 
 
Triplets
23:45 / 06.04.07
To be honest this whole thread was off to a bad start with the theme "What has a foreigner done that's really annoyed you?".

Had it been "What have you ever done that's pissed off someone from a foreign country?". Well. I can only imagine everyone would be a little cleaner, frankly.
 
 
This Sunday
00:33 / 07.04.07
To nutshell my question: Would you let someone get away with something you'd stop X who lives down the street or a familiar face at the corner grocery from doing? If you thought it was initiated or driven by their culture, I mean.

Which, in no way, excuses any of us - or anyone - from using their culture as some default regulation. Conviction : Culture. Or something. I mean, I get to hear frequently how drunken misogynistic rudeness or mild violence is, y'know, part of American culture. It's just good ol' boys letting off steam at the end of a hard week or something. Or an angry-young-man subculture thing.

And I can remember sitting around as a kid, listening to people just blame everything under the sun on white people in general. It was white people responsible for gas prices, for bad weather or where the good roads end. Like there's a big White People Culture anyway. Or, they'd turn it on themselves, and it's well, we're Indians, innit? It's just our culture that so-and-so's son is a jerk, or you know who's got a broken face after a drunk last weekend.

And it's just never rung true to me, in any direction.
 
 
Tsuga
01:32 / 07.04.07
I know what you mean, absolutely. I sure as hell would like all abusive human behavior to cease altogether. I'd like the Taliban and much of the beliefs that drive it to disappear, and FRC where it occurs, gay-bashing, seal-clubbing, gun-shooting, caste systems, female infanticide or any infanticide or genocide or xenophobia or coal-burning, forest cutting, police brutality or death squads or anything like it. But I'm not god or the next most powerful thing, the president of the usa, and people are fantastic insane monkeys and it sure isn't easy to change it.
 
  

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