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Heroes - Season 1 (UK)

 
  

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Olulabelle
20:52 / 28.02.07
Ooooor. You could go to Peekvid and get every episode from 1 through to 13. I dunno. WWJD?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:40 / 28.02.07
Thanks all, from the bottom of my no-longer-to-be-ripped-out heart.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:06 / 01.03.07
Own up, you were talking about spunking.

I always am.

Back to Sylar though. A friend of mine suggested last night that he may, instead of just having the powers, be absorbing them from his kills. Which would explain why he has the copy of Mohinder's Dad's map. The skull was sawn off of the frozen victim in the second episode wasn't it? Just like Heroin-Vision Boy in Teh Fuuuture.

He's eating their damn brains isn't he?
 
 
h1ppychick
08:58 / 01.03.07
He's a super-bug, from the planet P.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:35 / 01.03.07
"That's my power? I'm a super-zombie?"

"Humanity is about to take a bold step forward in..."

"BRRAAAAAAAAINS!"
 
 
Whisky Priestess
04:22 / 02.03.07
I am somewhat interested in how one discovers that one's super-power is to absorb others' life forces by eating their brains.

I mean, how long did it take Sylar to realise this was the only true method? I'm envisaging a long and fairly messy period of trial-and-error here ...
 
 
Evil Scientist
06:55 / 02.03.07
How does a salaryman discover he can bend space/time? Hiro seemed to just know he could do it.

Claire, on the other hand, probably just suffered one of her (apparently) regular brushes with the Reaper to discover her regeneration.

Brain-munching's probably a little outlandish.
 
 
Spaniel
07:10 / 02.03.07
Talking of spunking, a bit of fanwank about Claire invented just this minute by me.

Perhaps she is unconsciously careless with her bodily safety in a way that most people aren't because on some level she's always know she couldn't be hurt.

I like it!
 
 
Triplets
08:40 / 02.03.07
I am somewhat interested in how one discovers that one's super-power is to absorb others' life forces by eating their brains.

Well, you know how a nice, cooked meal smells really good..?
 
 
penitentvandal
10:01 / 02.03.07
%Maybe Sylar only has to eat ten percent of peoples' brains...%

Y'know, an obviously easy way to get Sylar would be to wait until he's eaten Isaac's brain:

Sylar: I've eaten his brain! I have his power! How do I use it?

Isaac's Girlfriend: Heroin! You have to be off your tits on heroin!

Sylar: Well, alright! An excuse to get wasted! *shoots up*

Isaac's Girlfriend: NOW!

The Heroes come in, and kick the shit out of Sylar while he languishes in a drug-addled stupor.

Petrelli: And once again, the day is saved, thanks to...beating up defenceless junkies! Vote Republican.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:44 / 02.03.07
Velvetvandel has seen the future!

Quick, get his brains (all of them)!
 
 
Triplets
14:57 / 02.03.07
I'd like it if Sylar had a fancy for any part of the human body, like a hand or flesh chunk, but he just loves eating brains.
 
 
Spaniel
15:01 / 02.03.07
Careful, Trips.
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:17 / 06.03.07
Now we're getting to the point that our posthumans are starting to link up.

Patrelli the Younger (power absorption, wicked) and Mohinder's meeting was not quite what I expected. Although I found Mohinder's scepticism quite refreshing.

Matt's managed to pluck Claire's name out of Bennet's head before he was mind-wiped (presumably Bennet's buddy is a teep as well). I'm wondering if he'll manage to hold onto that info and seek her out.

We finally get to meet Nikki's other half in the flesh as it were. I suddenly realised what her situation reminds me of, it's The Long Kiss Goodnight isn't it? Micah's moment of maturity was quite sweet too, telling his Mum stripping on the net is much safer.

Hiro of the Fuuuuture, looking thoroughly badass with a big old sword. "I'd forgotten what you looked like without the scar." is always something you want to hear someone say.
 
 
penitentvandal
12:31 / 06.03.07
I loved that scene, reminiscent of Hourman in JLA 1,000,000: 'This is the first time you have met me but not the first time I have met you.' Ace.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
02:01 / 13.03.07
So, anyone watch tonight's? I stayed home specially (seeing as last Monday I foolishly went to a dire play reading) and was not disappointed. I'm loving how all the characters are coming together/walking past/glancing off each other and converging for the Great Work.

Also, how amazing was the Flying Congressman's escape from Horn-Rimmed Villain (Claire's Dad)? Just shot right up in the air like a flipping rocket! Very Superman. I kind of want him and Niki to get married and have super-kids now.

Who's feeling the love?
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:14 / 13.03.07
I was a little worried at the flying effects in the first episode (a little too "hanging from a crane"). But that looked absolutely fabulous. I loved Hiro's reaction when he saw Nathan landing.

Thanks to the input of Fuuuuture Hiro it looks like most of the team will be getting together at Claire's school to duel with Sylar.

Isaac must be a bit pissed off that Peter can use his power without getting junked up (possibly mental block for the artist there?).

I liked Matt's use of telepathy to give his wife a wonderful day, I give it another episode before she gets utterly creeped out by it. Also not loving the "too many voices" thing. It's a bit of a telepathy cliche.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
15:08 / 16.03.07
I fancy Matt. He's like a big psychic teddy bear.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
16:37 / 16.03.07
He's my favourite character so far for his loser-ish streak - I laughed aloud when his initial use of his new powers to crack the case immediately resulted in his being arrested as the number-one suspect. Adds to the New Universe-style air of 'what if super-people were reeeal' that the writers seem intent on creating.

If Matt continues to have a very bad time in this show it may go some way towards diminishing the personal grudge I have against actor Greg Grunberg for his being JJ Abrams' best pal and therefore being allowed to cop off with the delectable Mia Maestro in the fourth series of Alias.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:09 / 02.04.07
... thus giving hope to "cuddly" gentlemen, everywhere, though!

I'm liking the new characters with the new powers being gradually introduced - caught the repeat of last week's last night and enjoyed the fiery bloke (I hope he wasn't a one-episode gimmick) and Niki's Kitty Prydealike phasing husband.

Mika's machine empathy powers are nice as well. I keep hoping that Niki's pregnant with Nathan Petrelli's flying, schizoid baby and that Simone will turn out to have some sort of interesting ability too (apart from being an inadvertant hero groupie, having shagged both Isaac and Peter now).

Also interested in the development of Peter's apparently sympathetic or copycat powers - he seems to be a milder (or more powerful) version of Sylar, without the need to eat people's brains.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
10:06 / 10.04.07
Cripes. I really am the only UK Barbeperson left watching this, aren't I?

Very well then, I shall discuss last night's episode with myself! Watch and learn ...

Well, a Matt-free episode, which really can't be good - but then again it did feature a lot of boring bits in India with Mohinder chasing an enigmatic boy who can get into people's dreams (kind of a shit power, IMHO, but also kind of a shit subplot, seeing as the only reason they bother to keep cutting back is to see whether Mo has found the list of all the other mutants in the world yet. Spoiler: he has).

So, who else is being used? DL and Micah are still pootling around Nevada aimlessly, neither of them using their powers so much as ONCE during the episode, which is pretty rubbish considering both of their powers are quite cool, unlike Appears In Dreams Boy. Niki/Jessica is planning to shoot DL. I don't blame her.

Also Mr. Bennet (I'm really hoping he turns out to have laser vision behind the glasses, or something) and Elfin Girl have been smacking Isaac up on as many drugs as humanly possible to get him to paint the future. Which he does, but in a useless way. I'm not sure about Isaac's flawed power, btw; I hope the whole "has to be on drugs" thing is explained when we finally get to the origin episode of how everyone's powers suddenly got activated about six months ago.

Quibbles aside though, this was a money-shot of an episode; Peter's "save the Cheerleader, save the world" obsession finally got exorcised (he saves Claire from Sylar) and Isaac's painting of Peter dead in front of the Homecoming banner also comes true - but ta-da, he's OK because he's near Claire and can absorb her regenerative powers! Hands up who didn't see that one coming.

What annoyed me most about the climactic scene, I must say, was that Peter didn't seem to absorb any of Sylar's telekinetic powers when they were fighting - which would seem to be the obvious time to do it. Peter, as a "Rogue"-type character, could really be used in a number of interesting ways and in eight or nine episodes so far they've managed, er, two (the misdirection of his flying with Nathan, and the regeneration with Claire). I didn't see what he painted when he painted the future but I bet it was rubbish.

What if he comes into contact with Niki and Bad Peter comes out? And Bad Peter and Jessica have a battle to the death? See, that I'd *love* to watch.

In other news: Hiro's gone back in time six months to save the superfastlearner girl, Simone is still functionally useless as a character, Nathan (a better villain than Sylar, potentially) is being criminally under-used and the spooky black guy (let's call him Mr. Blank) who hangs around with Bennet and Hypnotically Persuasive Elfin Girl is still mysterious. I'd like to know what his schtick is - perhaps he saps other heroes of their powers while not being able to use those powers himself? I could see how (like Peter) he'd be an excellent plot device.

Anyway, those are my thoughts - any more for any more?
 
 
Spaniel
10:21 / 10.04.07
I really am the only UK Barbeperson left watching this, aren't I?

No you're not, it's just that most of us are illegalists
 
 
Spaniel
10:24 / 10.04.07
Also, that business with Mohinder and the speshul dreamscape=complete almost redundant arse.

It does get better. Stay strong.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:11 / 10.04.07
I'm still watching too. Still enjoying it, although it is moving painfully slowly in places.

Quite liking the radiation-spewing posthuman that Matt's encountered in the last couple of episodes. It's an awesome, yet atrocious power for anyone to have. I'm wondering if he's not going to be the cause of the nuclear blast in the future when Homeland Security track him down.

Hiro's jump into the past should be interesting, once they actually get to it, I like a show that's not shy of involving time travel on a regular basis. Hiro's such a sweet guy, but his cause is so obviously doomed. I think this is where he'll learn that you can't change the past to save lives, only the future.

I have to admit I gave a little "Hell yeah!" at Claire getting the geekvote for Home-coming. It's a cliche to be sure but it still rocked.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:17 / 24.04.07
And so my lonely struggle as one of the last few people interested in discussing UK Heroes continues ...

Well, last night's episode = pretty tasty, all in all. There was considerably less Mohinder and no Dreamboy, which was very wise of them. They also finally came up with a way to use Isaac which was a little more interesting (only a little, mind). Good that he's off the smack and can do his whiteeyed futurepainting thing straight now, though. Triumph of the human spirit, that.

I personally was disappointed that Hiro couldn't save Cassie? Carrie? (the waitress) and immediately took this to mean that he couldn't change the future when he blatantly could have if he hadn't jumped back to the present at the point where she kissed him. If he loves her, he will go back and try again! (I hope he does - we think she's dead but she doesn't have to be. Mind you, how much use super-fast learning skills will be against telekinesis, brain-eating etc. I'm not sure).

Impressed by Isaac's reaction to the news that in the future he's had his head cut off; slight widening of the eyes, little shrug, "uh huh?". He is a Hard Bastard.

Peter and Claire, sizzling in prison, are going right off the sexual-tension-ometer, which is of course nearly very very wrong, her being 16, but they MIGHT let it happen. He's her hero - squee!

Interesting that Mr. Blank (who has not spoken until now) is outed by Eden as a mute and then speaks for the first time in the same episode. I didn't realise he could blank people's minds as well as their powers, and make them forget. Basically if Eden and Mr. Blank ever turned on Claire's Dad, he'd be toast, and it looks like they're starting to. They must have a REALLY good benefits package.

Jessica and Niki appear to be splitting into actual separate people, unless that was just weird camerawork. DL's phasing powers still criminally under-used - unlocking a door he could totally have kicked in without even trying? Teh lame ... I want a flashback where we see DL walking right through the walls of Folsom. Now that's good phase. Loved Niki deciding she's too dangerous and giving herself up to the confused cop though.

I still think Peter, or possibly Mr. Blank, are the key to defeating Sylar (unless all the others dogpile him) and I really liked what they were doing with Peter and Matt getting psychic feedback off one another when they were in the same room. The possibilities and implications of a fluid power like Peter's are huge, which is why I wish they'd start establishing some ground rules - like how near Peter has to be to other "specials" to absorb their powers. For example, when he was talking to Claire in the cells he was coughing and hacking and looking like crap, whereas if she was close enough to touch nothing should have been wrong with him, whether it was a cut on his hand or a nagging throat infection.

And when he collapsed outside the prison and had that weird vision of himself as the radioactive man, the bomb who blows up New York, was he near either of the two characters who could have conceivably either seen the future or gone forward into it, i.e. Isaac or Hiro? Not that I'm aware of, no. So WTF?

Also WTF: Sylar's kept in what appears to be a "powers-proof" prison cell and Mr. Bennett tells him his powers won't work here (although perhaps that's the Mr. Blank effect) - and they don't, cos I'm sure Sylar wanted to wipe the smug off Mr. B's face. And yet when Persuasive Pixie Eden comes in and tells Sylar to shoot himself, her powers don't seem to work but his do - he pulls her through the glass using telekinesis.

The various powers and counter-powers - despite all this X-Men fluff about DNA (tell Crick and Watson that they've found the gene for Doing The Impossible!) - reminds me very much of Mafia, actually, and especially the super-complex Mafia 4 we played on the board a few years ago, with loads of different special characters and reversals of fortune/allegiance.

Hmm. Maybe that's why I like this programme so much ...
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
08:48 / 26.04.07
And when he collapsed outside the prison and had that weird vision of himself as the radioactive man, the bomb who blows up New York, was he near either of the two characters who could have conceivably either seen the future or gone forward into it, i.e. Isaac or Hiro? Not that I'm aware of, no. So WTF?

This was super annoying, true, but it's just part of parcel of the syndrome that fantasy genre shows can't seem to get over, the inability to move the plot forward without having characters learn crucial information via their dreams. I realise that accusing a show like Heroes of including mystical cobblers is about as useful a criticism as saying it's in English, but just once I'd like to be able to live without it. At least on BSG people's plotdreams have an element of the authentically disturbing.

The Eden/Sylar scene was actually pretty tense, in that it's the first "two characters struggle with firearm, it goes off, cut" scene I can remember seeing in which it wasn't immediately obvious, from the story up to this point, who was going to come off better. Especially since the story seems to be building to a point where Sylar is about to removed as Big Bad, in favour of someone or something else. Nice effects work in that scene also, with the abruptly shattered glass.

There's going to be a lot of pissed off people if Hiro doesn't eventually have to take down a T-Rex with his katana.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:04 / 26.04.07
To be fair though, Peter does seem to have this secondary talent for prophetic dreaming.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:31 / 26.04.07
I've missed bits and pieces so far so I haven't seen him exhibit this (quite lame talent) before - and I still think it's a crappy way to provide an end-of-episode cliffhanger. They could have just shuffled the scenes and had Eden and Sylar as the closer.

Or is there some as yet unrevealed hero whose proper power is prophetic dreaming? Surely not - too close to Isaac/Dreamboy?

Sidenote: I do love the perplexed look Matt gets whenever he's tuning in to people's thoughts. Like he's trying to understand rapid Spanish or something. Also - Clea + Matt sexual tension = ace. Although I worry how the wife thing will resolve itself.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:49 / 26.04.07
I've missed bits and pieces so far so I haven't seen him exhibit this (quite lame talent) before

He dreamt of the night he jumped off the rooftop and fell towards his brother. I can't remember if he's dreamt anything else that came true, he did also dream a conversation with the terminally ill man he was caring for (and later, I think, it was mentioned that the man had said he'd spoken with Peter just before the end).

I like the concept of Sylar as a super-watchmaker, able to see how the pieces fit together (obvious nod to Watchmen there).
 
 
Spaniel
11:09 / 26.04.07
and I still think it's a crappy way to provide an end-of-episode cliffhanger

The choice of this scene probably has something to do with the fact that in the States this episode heralded a month long break and the close of the first half of the series. It sets up big questions about where the show's going and roots Peter firmly at the heart of the forthcoming drama.

And stuff.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
11:23 / 27.04.07
By the way - are we allowed to speculate on this thread? Please say we are ...
 
 
Spaniel
11:51 / 27.04.07
Course. Speculation isn't spoilers.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:19 / 27.04.07
Hooray! So, I reckon that there's a certain weirdness around Niki's powers (and reading the TV w/o Pity recap which points out a lot of the inconsistencies displayed in the Niki/Jessica thing has confirmed me in this).

My idea is that it's not Niki that has the powers in question, it's actually Jessica - and her power is of taking over someone else's body, which could be her sister's (has it been established that they were twins, or even looked alike?) - or, plot-crucially, could be someone else's. The extra strength Jessica demonstrates in e.g. half-throttling her father is not, I think, supernormal - it's just surprising.

Jessica seems to live in a constant state of psychotic terror and anger and I think what she shows is terror-strength. (Sucks to be her). I haven't yet seen Niki/Jessica do anything a normal person couldn't do - hence my conspiracy theory about the ghost sister being the one with the true power and Niki just being the hapless host.

I have to say I like this idea quite a lot because of the possibilities it opens up for Jessica to occupy the other Heroes (and villains) even - especially - if Niki is killed.

I think there's quite a lot of powers-based misdirection in this show and I'm looking forward to more ... for example, it's been suggested that there may be more than meets the eye, superhuman-wise, to Mr. Bennet - although personally I don't believe he's the power dampener (as opposed to Mr. Blank) because of the bar incident with Matt when Bennet was nowhere to be seen - although he may have been around, but hidden, which is, strictly speaking, cheating on the part of the writers.

I heart speculation! Hope I'm right ...
 
 
Spaniel
14:49 / 27.04.07
Well, it wouldn't just be cheating, it woud be cheating plus misdirection, which makes it doubley cheeky from a creative pov. I say misdirection because the Haitian has been around every time powers have been dampened (with the exception of Sylar's cell scenes), and the creators have clearly been pointing the finger at him.

As for Nikki's super strength, didn't she do some rather superhuman damage to the guys that invaded her home early on the series, and didn't she kill all of her hubby's gang singlehandedly? I don't know, I tend to think the most obvious explanation is the most likely one until I see real evidence to the contrary. Is there any?
 
 
Whisky Priestess
17:11 / 29.04.07
I tend to the interpretation that she's just fucking NAILS, and they totally didn't see her coming. She had weapons and stuff, remember.

Oooooooh Heroes tomorrow!
 
  

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