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EmberLeo
07:54 / 16.08.07
To be honest, aside from addressing the actual sources of anxiety expressed in my dreams, I don't usually worry about trying to affect what kinds of dreams I'm having.

But then my rest is rarely unduely disturbed by a bad dream, even when I do have them.

--Ember--
 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
21:20 / 18.08.07
Any thoughts as to what "Do not attempt The Silence alone!" means?

Ever tried darkness meditation? It's where you bind your eyes (or better yet, wear safety goggles spray painted black so that you can still keep your eyes open) and then either try to function normally, or else just sit in silence. It's a good death/rebirth thing, and rather potent for visions.

Perhaps, I need a Jungian analyst.

Not that I am one (yet), but my interpretation of your first dream was that you want change (represented by the shapeshifter) however you're allowing gentle authority(represented by your mother) to prevent you from embracing this - in allowing this to occur, change no longer wants you. The Coyote bit seems like an alice in wonderland episode (crazy shit happening for no reason) however given that you refer to *the* coyote as Coyote, perhaps not - seems to fit in with Coyotes pattern of doing things which gets him into trouble, and requires the assitance of friends/foes (lions and tigers and bears, oh my) to help him out; might be a metaphor for your celibacy (fucking is a rather basic, reptilian need) and your seeking assistance in interpreting your dream.

The theme seems to repeated in the second dream - the desire to end your celibacy, this time through rape, is being prevented by the authority figure. Whereas in the first dream it was your choice to end it, and this choice was foiled gently by your mother, in the second it's being forced upon you and is prevented viciously by your father - it's interesting that it's only after you felt guilty about the possibility of losing your celibacy that you struggled, and that your pretense for not earlier (their weapons) seems to have become irrelevant. Bearing in mind that all the actors in this play are probably different aspects of your own desires, it seems like the opposing forces in your dreams are your own desire and your own guilt - perhaps questioning why you're being celibate is a good idea.

The third dream is of a similar theme again - sex and authority - however this time the two are somewhat reconciled, though in a rather dark manner, and your raising of hell seems to indicate moral indignity; perhaps this is why your parents feature in the first two - it's interesting that you've taken the role of your parents as the preventor of sex.

Reading between the lines of the dreams, I think they point to you repressing one set of desires in order to raise another on high - you seem to want to get laid, but you also seem to want to live up to standards of decency. Problems tend to arise from extremes however; being a slave to desire is just as bad as denying it, and happy medium is also the healthiest.
 
 
EmberLeo
00:34 / 21.08.07
Ever tried darkness meditation? It's where you bind your eyes (or better yet, wear safety goggles spray painted black so that you can still keep your eyes open) and then either try to function normally, or else just sit in silence. It's a good death/rebirth thing, and rather potent for visions.

Well, I've definitely done exercises that were not intended to be meditation that involved being blindfolded and then trying to function as normally as possible. But there was nothing silent about it, and I don't equate Silence and Darkness, per se.

I've also done inward journey work to deal with certain issues with Darkness, but those issues definitely don't include anything silent - on the contrary, the Darkness in question contained the sobs, cries, and screams little girls, which was certainly far more upsetting than silence would have been.

I do have some idea that Silence is associated with death, but I don't think blindness helps much.

--Ember--
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
08:49 / 24.08.07

Does gathering half-ripe nuts mean anything? Other than: "Autumn's coming"?

(This was part of a dream about Samhuinn. The festival was being celebrated by two tribes, the White Tribe, in wedding dresses, cricket whites, colonial suits, panama hats and white furs, and the Black Tribe, all top hats and tails and biker leathers and ninja costumes and black polo necks and bohemian berets. I knew them all but wasn't involved.

I watched them gather on opposite sides of the street to "walk through" the ritual, which wasn't (isn't) for months. Part of me was wondering which side to join. I knew the light-hearted, decadent, delightful White people better, but was very intrigued by the tightly knit community of clever, darkly humourous Black people (who were going to be responsible for bring winter in). The two tribes were very good friends with each other.

I wandered off into one of the numerous graveyards (people were holding tea-parties in them in typical English idealised summer garb, with delicate blue and white porcelain tea-sets, straw hats, Alice bands and stripey stockings, eating scones and jam tarts. There was a slow river running through one of the graveyards, and a widely-smiling, well-tanned Black man (one of the big important ones with a wide-brimmed black preacher's hat) was punting a whole load of ghostly, transparent people along it under the willow trees, their skeletons visible through their misty flesh, all laughing and playing dice games with their own knuckle bones) and noticed that one of the dead walnut trees had come back to life and its fruit was ripening, long before it was the season for such things. I picked off the nuts in their shells, pondering each of them, supposing that roasting them might ripen a few of them even more.

They tasted strange and bitter, but I could tell they weren't poisonous. They were essentially ready. I'd have to put some effort in to getting dinner out of them, but not much.

The summer revellers leaned over the walls of the graveyards to wave "yoo-hoo!"s to the Black and White tribes, who were busily discussing, in a big, straggling group conversation, the likely effectiveness of the ritual they had just practiced...

It was all very low key and autumnal.)
 
 
Papess
23:10 / 13.10.07
Weird dream. I stole a bus. I was driving along, which is weird in itself because I don't drive, much less a stolen bus. Realizing that because it was a city bus I would have to make all the stops to pick up passengers. This worried me. I am not a very good driver and I remembered I never drive in my "other" life (Yeah, this one where I am supposed to be awake). As confident as I was to drive the bus alone, I wouldn't want to endanger all those passengers.

I knew I wouldn't ever get in trouble for stealing the bus because I knew I was quite untouchable. However, I felt as if the theft may be causing someone else stress. They might be wondering where the bus is and worried that they may lose their job.

I brought back the bus to station with a full confession. As I suspected, the Commissioner laughed it off. No one had ever stolen a bus before AND come back and confessed with keys in hand. Because of my honesty, he told me I could take a bus anytime I needed to.
 
 
Unconditional Love
02:30 / 14.10.07
being hesitant about taking responsibility for other people on there journey, not thinking you are capable enough, but finding that you are and your honesty is the key to helping others on there travels. maybe.
 
 
Papess
11:51 / 14.10.07
wow, that is an interesting perspective, Wolfangel.
 
 
Olulabelle
19:47 / 17.10.07
Yes and I agree. Not to randomly generalise about your life or presume to know of it but your dream could well be about taking control of your life and accepting feeling qualified to do so. Even taking others along with you in your life is represented here. That the commisioner said you can borrow the bus anytime maybe means deep down you do feel (and know you are) qualified to take control and lead. If you are experiencing any group activities at work or home at the moment I might be inclined to suggest it surrounds that - taking control and leading the group wih confidence, especially if it's not a thing you've done a lot before. And if not a group activity then maybe it's specific to your life as it flows, allowing yourself to control the flow rather than be swept along by it, all in the water.
 
 
Papess
20:32 / 17.10.07
Thanks, Ollulabelle. That was also very insightful and helpful.
 
 
Papess
15:20 / 22.11.07
Dream One, this one is just rather funny:
I was dating Brad Pitt (I don't even care much for the guy, really). He took me to this very large house and we snuggled a lot. When I went to look for a bathroom I found every room I went into was a themed guest room with an elaborate day bed. One was humourously called "The Pain in the Ass Brother-Inlaw" guest room. Brad and I eventually left and I made him cookies back at his place. He was warm and friendly to hang with and really nice.

Dream Two (Okay, this is rather funny too):
There is a red dragon in my house. He is breathing fire and setting my home ablaze. I am getting irritated by this as I only have a bucket of water to put the flames out. Responding to my irritation, the dragon says, and in a Scottish accent, no less "What did you expect? I am a dragon ya know!"

Dream Three:
I am at a restaurant and go to sit at a table. It is still messy and there is an empty bottle of wine. I pick it up to put in a recycling bin (yes, I am recycling in my dreams!) and I notice a fly in it. I don't want to kill the fly. I am wondering what to do when I notice the fly is getting larger and larger. It is no longer a fly. I pour out the creature into my hand before it gets too big to go through the bottle neck. It is a frog which metamorphosizes in my hand. I put it into a wine glass with a little water and he sighs with relief. I pet him gently.


I am so amused by my dreams.
 
 
Saturn's nod
11:46 / 03.01.08
I dreamed that I was at the house of someone who appears as a spiritual teacher in my dreams (as in, she's not in real life my spiritual teacher any more than many others are, but when I dream her, I dream her that way).

She gave me a spoonful of starflower or evening primrose oil; my body was really hungry for the oil and I experienced it having a huge positive effect on me as the oil spread through my tissues from my mouth.

Anone else been medicated in their dreams? Did you follow it up with the real life action? I think I might go to the wholefood shop this afternoon and buy some starflower oil.
 
 
Olulabelle
09:15 / 06.01.08
I definitely think you should especially as it has such general good health properties.
 
 
simulated stereo
00:22 / 09.01.08
The one constant in all of my dreams is architecture. The same houses/places are often repeated. Large elaborate structures--long labyrinthine hallways, huge rooms, weird mixtures of ancient and futuristic trappings, plastic landscapes, and other things. I've looked, but haven't been able to find anything on architecture in dreams. Any ideas?
 
 
EmberLeo
20:48 / 16.01.08
Okay, maybe I just have Santana's Maria Maria on the brain, but this morning I dreamt a rather long string of stuff that included a fairly concrete little folk tale.

I kept seeing this little wooden house, like a doll house or a bird house, but the door was hinged and never opened. It ws a beautiful little house that ostensibly belonged to Mama Chola (who I know to be the Palo Mayombe equivalent of Oxun). The story went that little girls with wishes could get the help of a female relative in baking a cookie for Mama Chola, and then go up to the house, knock on the door, and leave the cookie.

If Mama Chola approved of the wish, it would be granted, and the little girl would get the cookie back to let her know. (It wasn't said or implied how the cookie returned). If Mama Chola disapproved of the wish, she would eat the cookie in lieu of punishing the little girl, because the little girl was innocent, and meant no harm in wishing.

It was implied that baking the cookie with her own female relatives proved that she had her family's support in making the wish, and also that this is a story passed from female relatives to little girls, and never to men or boys.

It was not implied, but I notice now the implication that any female could simply make a wish to Mama Chola without a cookie, but if Mama Chola disapproved, there would be consequences. The cookie was a little girl option for avoiding negative consequences. Such is not allotted to full grown women, who are expected to have better judgement.

And also, it was implied that little wooden houses made to look like Mama Chola's big house were kept by those who serve Mama Chola, to be a little spirit house for Mama Chola to live in in their own homes, like a Sopera or Wengue. I know they actually have such things in Palo, but they're pots, not doll houses.

Anyway... It's a great story, but sounds more like Mother Holda than Oxun to me. And I guess I wonder if there's something I should take away from the story other than "Wow, my brain is a nifty storyteller".

Thoughts?

--Ember--
 
 
Talas
22:53 / 22.01.08
Most of my dreams are strange, but this one was not only disconcertingly strange but also hard to shake off.

I was driving a car in the late evening around my hometown, with my wife in the front passenger seat. (I don't currently have a car, and I moved out of my hometown just over 2 years ago; I was born and raised there.) After beginning to indicate for a turn, I find that I can't manage to turn my turn signals off. This is mildly problematic, but then the headlights turn off, and since it's dark I decide to pull into the parking lot about 25 feet away to figure out what is wrong. (If it matters, I know precisely where this actual place is.)

As I'm pulling in, a police cruiser follows me in with their flashing lights on. That frustrates me; I'm thinking Yeah, yeah, I know, my headlights are off, but I figure I'll just talk to the cops, agree not to drive at night without headlights and deal with the car afterwards.

So I'm standing by my car when the pair of cops leap out of their cruiser, guns out, and announce that they're arresting me for armed robbery. I hastily put my hands on my head and point out that I didn't commit the robbery, that I couldn't have because I've only been in town one day and I spent it with my wife, and before that I was in Canada so they clearly have the wrong person.

They arrest me anyway.

I give my house keys to my wife, so that she can go home, and promise to call her and tell her how to properly heat up leftovers for dinner if I'm not released in a few hours. As I'm riding with the cops, the bit that bothered me the most and lingered after I started waking up was this terrible ambivalence -- part of me was certain that my gods wouldn't let me rot on a false charge, but part of me figured that they may not care (I'm not a priority) or that someone (Odin) had sold me out.

The rest of the dream's less clear -- I was detained, but it wasn't terrible, I was the only prisoner, and the prison was a lot like my usual hometown grocery store.

Anybody want to take a shot? Anybody? Bueller?
 
 
grant
14:41 / 23.01.08
Fear of loss of control is the central theme, especially seen as separation from the familiar. Solitude & bureaucracy are possible factors.

I'd have to know a lot more about your life to be able to say more than that.
 
 
Talas
17:19 / 23.01.08
No, that does help -- the 'fear of loss of control' hit a chord, as it's something I feel like I deal with in a variety of spheres. Naturally I tend to be a bit of a control freak, but my essential inability to control everything in my life (work, housing, relationships, family, health, the government, etc.) has been a slow-going lesson for the last... oh, two years.

Thanks, grant.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:45 / 23.01.08
I'd have to add that when you live a life that the Gods have Thier sticky fingers in, a certain amount of anxiety is understandable if not necessarily well-founded. Especially if you are involved with Gods who are, not to put to fine a point on it, dodgy. So: loss of control, but also fear of abandonment by your extended family--or worse, betrayal.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:59 / 27.01.08
Very intense, vivid dream this morning which involved visiting a tabacconists to buy something nice for an honoured guest (whose identity I was never very clear on). The shop sold not only the usual smokables, but things like snuff, chewing tobacco, and sweets and drinks made from the filthy weed. (The sweets looked like Ricola pastilles and came in little red boxes marked "FOUR X," like the lager.)

Are there such things as tobacco sweets and tobacco drinks? How do you make them? And who might appreciate such tobacco-infused libations?
 
 
grant
14:54 / 27.01.08
Well, tobacco's a popular offering in a bunch of different Native American societies, as well as across the Afro-Caribbean traditions. Too many choices to count.

I tend to see it as an introduction of fire to a ritual, or fire/earth/air, but that's nice and vague, isn't it?

Tobacco tea is a popular (and effective) pesticide, and the only tobacco sweets I know of are nicotine gums, for kicking the habit.

Me, I'd view the tobacco more as a medium of spiritual exchange, or some kind of metaphorical offering-as-offering, or cipher for the act of ritual observance. Unless there were some overtones that slanted things toward Eleggua or something on some other level.
 
 
Otis Vulgaris
04:35 / 05.02.08
i've had some interesting dream experiences over the past year. i'll write about 3 of them:
1) in a recent dream william s burroughs was using his cut-up literary method to help a woman find her missing child.

2) my friend lizzie and i were walking through our college campus and came across a couple people i had never met before listening to music on an old cassette player and passing around a joint. lizzie and i sat down and joined them. one guy put in a new tape, the music was a sort of ambient noise rock like The Dead C, and i asked whats this and the guy replied that the band was called Blankhead. i went back to my house and was standing in the kitchen with my roommates and mentioned the band. one of my roommates told me "that band sucks". at that point i woke up and wrote down the name Blankhead. is there any significance to specific names or phrases within dreams? anyone ever heard of blankhead before?

3) i have been having a lot of dreams where my teeth start falling out. some of them are extremely vivid disturbing. in fact the during the worst one i had, i thought during the dream "this is just like my dreams, but this isn't a dream, its really happening" then i woke up. but the next dream i had where my teeth fall out i realized i was dreaming and entered a lucid state where i willed my teeth to grow back and then took a walk outside before i lost it. ever since then, the teeth dreams have acted as triggers to push me into lucid dreaming.
 
 
Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)
01:12 / 08.02.08
Talks to Strangers: Well, as for tobacco beverages, I remember my old Tai Chi master, who was a member of the Native American Church, telling me about a ceremony in which Native American men would drink tobacco water after fasting and then throw up. I don't remember which tribe or ceremony she was referring to, unfortunately.

Michael Harner has this to say about drinking tobacco water with the Jivaro:

"At one time historically, the Conibo had the muraya—­shamans who worked only with tobacco—and they were very respected. But by the time I was in the Amazon, there were no muraya around. However, I did use tobacco water with the Jívaro, which was a shaman’s drink. You soak green tobacco leaves in cold water and drink the water or inhale it through the nose..... It heightens your perceptions, at least with that particular kind of uncured tobacco. It’s very powerful. You’re taking it to feed your spirit helpers, who love tobacco. It is also used to increase alertness, so that if there’s a sorcerer who’s working against you, your spirit helpers will be alert and protect you. The Jívaro were very much involved in feuds and wars, in contrast to the Conibo."

From "My Path in Shamanism," Interview with Michael Harner
Higher Wisdom by Roger Walsh and Charles S. Grob. Albany: State University of New York Press, ©2005. Found at http://www.shamanism.org/articles/article16.html

And here, a witch from New Mexico talks about drinking tobacco water with a shaman. It made her throw up, a lot.

http://highdesertwitch.blogspot.com/2007/12/tobacco-water.html

Did you actually buy anything at the shop? Anything in particular catch your eye? Was there anyone else in the store, like a salesperson? Any speculations as to who the honored guest might have been? Not to pry, but had you been working with any particular entity before having this dream?

I hadn't looked at this thread up til just now, so sorry I'm coming in late on this. I have been doing quite a bit of dreamwork over the past year, however, including training with Jungian and post-Jungian archetypal psychologists.... so this stuff is very interesting to me right now.

spider jo: I might have some input on your dreams as well, but I won't get 'round to posting again til later.
 
 
grant
04:11 / 08.02.08
Aren't the Jivaro the ones that shrink heads? One of the most violent societies on Earth? Or am I getting my tribes mixed up?
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The teeth falling out thing is a classic dream of "impotence" - I think Freud even described it. The quotes are around the word because I don't think it's always (or even mostly) sexual... just about loss of vitality or energy or will-to-do-things.

Names and such can be significant, or can be not significant. The song "Yesterday" supposedly came from a dream - the tune was all McCartney remembered.

Blankhead sounds like the aim of Buddhist meditation. No-thought. But it could just as easily be your brain trying to dodge giving out any information. A cipher for a cipher. "Hey, the symbol is empty!" you know?
 
 
grant
14:03 / 08.02.08
Yeah, the Jivaro! Fought off the Spanish Empire by killing as many settlers as humanly possible. They won.

Also, Levi-Strauss said they anticipated Freud, not just by shrinking heads but with the structure of their mythology.
 
 
Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)
15:17 / 08.02.08
grant: Yeah, that's the Jivaro, for you. Apparently.

spider jo:

1) It's hard to say much about this without more information. Burroughs did suggest using cut-up for divination. Have you tried it before? If not, your dream could be suggesting a practice for you to experiment with. What's your relationship to Burroughs and his work? What is the woman like, and her child? I've found that details and specifics can be really important for figuring out what meaning a dream might hold. Stick to the image and notice details.

2) Grant is right, I think, that the name Blankhead could be a meaningless cipher. Or a reference to no-mind. I was thinking that it might also be a reference to being high-- or that listening to an ambient noise-rock tape by a band called Blankhead could be a metaphor for the experience of getting high. But that might be a bit of a stretch. I think it's interesting that one of your roommates said "that band sucks." Do you remember which roommate it was? What kind of person is he/she? Why might he/she think Blankhead sucks? Is he or she the kind of person who might be skeptical or critical of meditation or getting stoned? Do you have any inner conflict or doubts about smoking weed?

3) Teeth falling out. I actually had this dream several times over the last two months. Supposedly, it's the most commonly reported dream. I'm inclined to agree with grant's interpretation but would like to expand on it a little bit. My guess is that humans have been having this dream since we were a bunch of monkeys running around. Our teeth are our 'bite' -- our ability to hunt, to fight, to defend ourselves. Personal power and the appearance of personal power. Your teeth start falling out as you get older, once as a child (an important transition into a state of greater maturity) and again when you start getting old. As an animal starts getting old and losing its teeth, it is less able to defend itself, less able to assert its power within the pack, and less able to compete for mates. So the idea of power or potency is also tied into our anxiety about how we appear to others. Thus, this dream could represent a subconscious fear of losing your 'bite' (personal power and potency) and/or a fear of losing 'face' -- anxiety about others not viewing you as powerful and attractive, etc.

You might pay attention to the dream contexts in which your teeth start falling out. That might give you some hints as to what areas of your life are triggering this subconscious anxiety (if it is that).

Hope this helps.
 
 
Otis Vulgaris
03:44 / 13.02.08
thanks for the input.
as for the teeth falling out dreams, i tend to write off much deep meaning because i started having them around the time i started having a really bad tooth ache and actually had to have a tooth pulled which i was a little upset about. so i was preoccupied with my teeth anyway. what i thought was more interesting about it was that i became a trigger to push me into lucid dreaming.
as for the burroughs dream, around the time i had it, i had just finished reading The Job which has alot about cut-ups in it. i have been using the method a bit with my poems and had some good results but have never used it for divination, maybe i'll look into that.

interesting that grant points out the buddhist idea of no-mind since buddhism is my primary spiritual practice. that had never occured to me. the roommate in my dream who said that band sucks is quite a pothead so the pot connection could say something. when i woke up and told him about the dream he said "that means we need to start a band called blankhead and we have to suck!"
 
 
Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)
03:16 / 14.02.08
spider jo: as for the teeth falling out dreams, i tend to write off much deep meaning because i started having them around the time i started having a really bad tooth ache and actually had to have a tooth pulled which i was a little upset about. so i was preoccupied with my teeth anyway.

When I was having my teeth-loss dreams, I was a little worried about my dental health as well, as I had noticed they weren't as pearly white as usual... as it turned out, I just needed a new toothbrush. I think it is fairly common to have dreams that diagnose or even predict physical maladies. Once I had a dream that I had a cold. The next morning, I woke up with a cold. Surprise, surprise, right?

However, I don't think that physical illness and 'deeper meanings' are mutually exclusive. Soma and psyche are so intimately connected, and they often seem to reflect each other: body responds to soul, soul responds to body. As above, so below and all that. YMMV, of course.
 
 
Liger Null
21:31 / 14.02.08
I think it is fairly common to have dreams that diagnose or even predict physical maladies.

I agree. I used to have dreams about losing my teeth all the time. After my periodontal disease got diagnosed and treated, the dreams stopped.
 
 
Laughing
23:00 / 07.03.08
A common factor in my dreams is zombies - shambling, misshapen, dead-ish monster things. About a quarter of my dreams have had zombies in them since 2005. An odd thing about the zombies is that they're never doing anything to harm me. Sometimes they harm other people in my dream but never me, and usually they're just sort of in the background like trees or wallpaper while the dream's "plot" unfolds. A few times I've even interacted with the zombies, talking to them or following them around. They're surprisingly friendly to me when they do speak, even when they're pinning somebody down and eating them.

Is my brain trying to convince me that undead cannibals are people too?
 
 
Unconditional Love
12:54 / 08.03.08
Lots and lots of zombie movies have been released of late just like the 80's, could be that alot of people have a zombie focus or enough to create an effect. Could be that i am wildly speculating..... Brains!
 
 
Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)
14:39 / 08.03.08
I would say talk to the zombies. Ask them who they are, why they're there, and what if anything they want from you. That's the short answer. The long answer, with regard to the deep symbolism of zombies and whatnot, may have to come from someone better versed in their lore.
 
 
Laughing
16:15 / 08.03.08
That's a good idea, Cat Black. I have to spoken to them but I haven't really questioned them as to their intentions. Mostly we just exchange pleasantries. They're very civil zombies, you see.
 
 
EmberLeo
04:24 / 10.03.08
Lots and lots of zombie movies have been released of late just like the 80's, could be that alot of people have a zombie focus or enough to create an effect.

Not to be prosaic, but isn't the other way around more likely? That zombies being more prevalent in pop-culture recently means there are more images of zombies in the environment from which to pull day-residue symbology?

--Ember--
 
 
grant
16:19 / 11.03.08
Are these zombies slaves?

There are a few different ways to read zombies as symbols. Often, they're a sign of faceless amalgamation/ecological destruction (Malthusian zombies, I suppose). But they're also about the body ruling the brain and the body being taken over by non-conscious elements from within or without.

They can also be about disease anxieties or fear of bodily mortality - we're all rotting around you.

Lots of ways to take it, so context is necessary.
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:39 / 11.03.08
Could they not also represent oral consumption Issues, self destruction self consumption etc?
 
  

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