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Can Someone explain very briefly what exactly is the state of the DCU post-Infinite Crisis, cos I really can't be arsed to re-read it.

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_Boboss

11:13 / 22.01.07

but, so, are like wildcat, alan scott and that still in the same 52 universe that the current dc books seem to be set in? or do they live somewhere else, and does everyone still remember them?

Quantum

12:57 / 22.01.07

...and is the Batman/Superman vs. Aliens/Predator crossover canon? Which contains the truly amazing line from Supes, "GREAT RAO! What with fighting the predators and aliens, I'd forgotten that I'm in an erupting volcano!"

Tim Tempest

13:24 / 22.01.07

Yep. Never can tell with them there erupting volcanoes.

Spyder Todd 2008

13:30 / 22.01.07

Q, I may have to buy that comic on the basis of that line alone.

FinderWolf

13:38 / 22.01.07

Is Gumbitch serious? If so, yes, they're all in the same DCU, as the "new" version of Earth-2 hasn't been discovered yet by the current 'regular mainstream DCU earth.' We fans know it's coming but the DCU peeps don't really....yet.

_Boboss

13:42 / 22.01.07

yeah i'm serious - surely there was a bit in infinite crisscross where all the oldies just sort of disappear - don't remember that bit being cleared up at all. so there's still wildcat, green sapphire man etc. in 'our' dcu, AS WELL AS alternative batses, supeses et., on earth 2 or whatever?

why is it impossible to ask/answer these questions in simple terms?

Mario

14:47 / 22.01.07

There is one hint that there may be Earth-2 versions of the JSA heroes... but it's only a hint. We've seen no evidence otherwise.

Quantum

15:15 / 22.01.07

why is it impossible to ask/answer these questions in simple terms?

Because the DCU continuity is a tangled trainwreck engineered over fifty years by hundreds of people who don't communicate with each other that has been wiped out and started again so many times it's like a blackboard that's permanently got faded bits of previous words on? Because the writers will do whatever the fans want irrespective of how much sense it makes? Because trying to mesh dozens of different stories into a consistent universe is impossible?

Spaniel

17:16 / 22.01.07

That last sentence is why continuity can never be anything other than a pretty illusion, but why we shouldn't fuss too much over it.

Sorry, end of off topic dig

Quantum

17:43 / 22.01.07

Don't tell me, tell macready and gumbitch.

FinderWolf

18:24 / 22.01.07

>> surely there was a bit in infinite crisscross where all the oldies just sort of disappear -

Only Earth-2 Supes (Kal-L) and Earth 2 Wonder Woman did the disappeary thing, as I recall (in the final 2 issues). Kal-L died and WW disppeared, more specifically.

A preview in Meltzer's JLA #0 showed that soon we will see the return of Earth-2 Kal-L, or at least something/someone claiming to be him...

Spaniel

19:34 / 22.01.07

I am telling all, for these are important words that must be shared

Haus of Mystery

08:39 / 23.01.07

Because the DCU continuity is a tangled trainwreck engineered over fifty years by hundreds of people who don't communicate with each other that has been wiped out and started again so many times it's like a blackboard that's permanently got faded bits of previous words on? Because the writers will do whatever the fans want irrespective of how much sense it makes? Because trying to mesh dozens of different stories into a consistent universe is impossible?

But you see, this is also what makes me love the DCU. The fact that people try.
I'm no continuity slave, but I enjoy the sense of mythology and history that this fictional universe has.

And also; Hypertime. Hypertime worked, but no-one aside from Grunt and Mark Waid bothered with it.

Spaniel

08:44 / 23.01.07

I love me some Hypertime.

I know what you mean about DC continuity, but I think the really fun thing, the thing that Hypertime opens up, is DC history. All that stuff that's been brushed under the carpet that only Grant Morrison and Mark Waid ever seems excited about digging up, like the Batmen of Many Nations.

Quantum

09:22 / 23.01.07

Yeah totally- why don't they have a metacontinuity/crisis/reboot that allows the 1980s Batman to be in the universe next to the 1960s Batman (a bit like that Planetary issue 'crossing worlds') and the more powerful than a locomotive supes available to the quintillion-ton lifting A* Supes?

Haus of Mystery

09:28 / 23.01.07

Becuase Chuck Dixon would explode.

Mario

11:49 / 23.01.07

There's a Walt Simonson line I like to drag out in these situations:

"Continuity is a good servant, but a poor master".

If you can get a good story by using it (see: most JSA stories) cool. But if you can tell a _better_ story that breaks continuity? Cooler.

Quantum

11:58 / 23.01.07

...and if you get any trouble you can just have superboy punch a wall, eh.

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:11 / 23.01.07

Or Geoff Johns.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

12:41 / 23.01.07

Superboy punching Geoff Johns would rawk!

Quantum

12:49 / 23.01.07

While weeping tears of rage, natch.

The Falcon

14:35 / 23.01.07

Hypertime was actually mentioned in 52, the issue where Skeets kills(?) Waverider; the latter refers to himself as 'the keeper of hypertime'. Anyway, yes, multiverse + hypertime is better than fuddling around with a strict continuity.

H3ct0r L1m4

11:08 / 26.01.07

now get your heads around this one.

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:58 / 26.01.07

That's the way, "Kal". Girls love a sensitive man who isn't afraid to show his emotions.

Haus of Mystery

12:07 / 26.01.07

Black Canary looks like Lord Fanny.

That whole image reeks of Johnsmeltzer writing...

Hoping the whole 'Liberty attacked' thing is not gonna be some nasty reactionary tripe.

Ron Stoppable

12:57 / 26.01.07

hasn't the Statue Of Liberty just been pwned over in the Marvel Ultimate universe as well? Or am I confusing the two..?

Mario

13:14 / 26.01.07

It's been popular ever since Charlton Heston.

FinderWolf

13:28 / 26.01.07

The Ultimate State of Liberty was destroyed in the big invasion by European powers in recent issues of Ultimates, but the Ultimates Annual showed all the heroes cleaning up, restoring mostly everything in true post-9/11 fashion. So it's all right as rain now, just like Ground Zero in real life...uh, I mean....

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

13:30 / 26.01.07

It does seem odd that everyone looks like DCU standard except for Pirate Batman...

EDIT And future robin who I thought was someone else on first viewing.

H3ct0r L1m4

13:32 / 26.01.07

Mac, just what I thought, and Mr Miracle is wondering as well... but with the Multiverse thing again maybe an Invisibles / JLA crossover [oops] is not far ahead...

Ron Stoppable

13:46 / 26.01.07

Thinking about it; it's not pirate Batman (sadly) but Batman Al-ghul. There was a time when Bats seemed to spend more time duelling with scimitars than launching batarangs out of the shadows. Perhaps a return to that.

Intrigued now...

Haus of Mystery

16:11 / 26.01.07

I think I really like the idea of tranny Black Canary. Just seems like the natural progression for her.

Phex: Dorset Doom

17:41 / 27.01.07

Just noticed something- maybe significant, maybe not: if you look in the space between Black Canary's boot and Blue Beetle's knee in the big version you can see a tiny hand poking out of the rubble- the Atom's hand. There's also what looks like a ring by Blue Beetle's hand, a Legion flight ring maybe? Does anybody know what that metal deelie between Max Lord and Jade is?

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

18:51 / 27.01.07

Where is the Statue of Liberty in the DCU, anyway?

Benny the Ball

19:41 / 27.01.07

New York still.

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