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Can Someone explain very briefly what exactly is the state of the DCU post-Infinite Crisis, cos I really can't be arsed to re-read it.

 
  

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Haus of Mystery
11:51 / 19.01.07
I mean I read the mini-series as it was coming out, but it ended up such an incoherent mess, with major events happening in other titles and mini-series, that I really wasn't sure what the new 'rules' are.

Now, as revealed in the last '52', if the multi-verse is returning, what in the name of jumping fuck was the whole point of 'Infinite Crikey'? Other than to indulge Geoff Johns' blood-lust.
 
 
Char Aina
11:56 / 19.01.07
i believe DC editors were threatening to go on strike if they didn't get some "serious bling action going on", and well, those diamonds are blood diamonds.
superhero blood, naturally.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
11:58 / 19.01.07
It's so pitifully simple I can't believe you didn't get it.
The alternate version of Lex... No, wait, the son of an alternate version of Lex Luthor manipulated the old Superman from the sixties, um, forties, and the real young Superman from our world (remember him? He was on all the news programs) into coming to... no wait, first the young superman punched the walls of reality and...Actually, what happened first was that Max Lord shot Blue Beetle because...
Hang on...
 
 
Char Aina
12:01 / 19.01.07
did he fly round the world backwards at all?
that film's what got me into comics, so it was.
 
 
Spaniel
12:17 / 19.01.07
I think Mac's main point is that the whole thing (Infitite Crikey) is completely redundant if they're bringing back the multiverse.

Seems a bit stupid to me too.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:26 / 19.01.07
Yep. And I do honestly want someone to explain all that 'New Age of Magic' shit. Honestly!
The original 'Crisis' was quite explicit about what the 'new' universe was made up of - which elements from the multiverse had survived on to 'Earth Prime(?)'.
The recent mini however seemed totally unclear.

Come on nerds, ASSEMBLE!
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
12:28 / 19.01.07
The rules are... there are no rules! Dude. To be honest ICrikey was just as redundant a world-rebooter as Zero Hour. Worse, in fact, as with ZH they ended with an actual timeline, whereas IC ended with a tease for a coherent world that never happened...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:45 / 19.01.07
It was about what it means to be a hero. What makes the man the man. What makes the hero the hero.

 
 
8===>Q: alyn
13:01 / 19.01.07
Oh, man, that's beautiful!
 
 
Spaniel
13:06 / 19.01.07
Never stop punching, Hal.

Never stop!
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
13:17 / 19.01.07
Flybs, is Geoff Johns your bĂȘte noire?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:28 / 19.01.07
Look will one of you clowns go and get Finderwolf?

I WANT ANSWERS!!!
 
 
Mario
13:31 / 19.01.07
I can take a swing at it...

1. 8C was not a reboot of any kind. Instead, it basically let the characters of the DCU know that there USED to be a multiverse, and that elements of it are still around.

2. 52 (and the revised 8C hardcover) suggests that for whatever reason (Hypertime, Alex Luthor's tower, the phase of the moon on Earth-Prime) at least some of the worlds thought erased by the fusion at the end of CoIE are still out there. Given what Morrison did with the "planet formerly known as Earth-3", there is precedent.

3. I've been gathering information on the new Age of Magic, and this is the best I could come up with:

Rather than Magic being about balancing cosmic forces (Good/Evil, Law/Chaos) it's now more about internal balance and karma... you can't get something for nothing, but if you are willing to pay the price, you can get a lot. Knowledge seems to be the new coin of the mystical realms.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
14:59 / 19.01.07
Is...

Is Green Lantern crying?

Why is Green Lantern crying? He's badass!
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
15:00 / 19.01.07
I will take a swing as well...

CoIE happened because the DCU had become cluttered with characters who shouldn't be around any more due to age. Over the years this had been dealt with by creating pockets of the DCU where, for example, WWII was still on. In CoIE it was revealed that these pockets were actually alternate earths.

At the end, the multiverse was wiped out, leaving one true reality. Now, because Monitor and Harbinger had been grabbing heroes from all realities when reality reset they were still around, and the universe retconned them into the story (JSU (I think) and Powergirl for examples). There were also some redundant people, Superboy, Old Superman, Old Lois and Alexander Luthor (the son of a Lex Luthor on a doomed Krypton-like world). Alexander had some crazy reality bending powers and was able to create a very small pocket universe for the 4 of them, small enough, I assume, that it wouldn't totally jack reality.

Life went on in the DCU, the people living in it remembered something happening, but with history rewriting itself most didn't remember the multi verse and the countless trillions of people who died/were never there.

Time went on and the DCU got more and more fucked up (SEE: Women in refrigerators) while Alex and company watched. Eventually Old Supes decided (with pushing from Alex I believe) that during CoIE the wrong world was saved, and his happy go lucky 50s good time version of Earth should have become the one true reality. HE and Superboy are so bad ass they PUNCH THROUGH REALITY and re-enter continuity.

It all turned out to be a scheme by Alex to recreate the multiverse so he could look at all the possible realities, pick the one he liked best, and wipe out the rest. The heroes got together to stop him, Superboy, who in his reality was like a trillion times stronger then modern era Superman, kills a bunch of people and gets taken down by Superman with the help of Old Supes, but not before he killed Clone-Superboy. This, of course, after he vanished for an issue or two because the Flashes pushed him outside of time, losing their powers or dying in the process. I am still not sure how Superboy built himself anti-monitor style armor while trapped in the Speed Force or whatever.

When Alexander's machine was destroyed it was assumed that the multiverse he had made was destroyed as well. At that point a bunch of people who had not been around for a while (Batwoman) were dumped into the 'Prime' reality with fully retconned backstories, much like after CoIE. This is where the idea that the multiverse collapsed came from. However, there is no reason for the 'new' multiverse to not still exist, and since it IS infinite by nature, all the multiverse stuff from pre CoIE would still be out there somewhere.

I am hoping for some Time Tailor/Yellow alien action written by Grant during the rest of 52, personally.
 
 
Mario
15:11 / 19.01.07
Not bad, except the multiverse idea predated Crisis by quite some time (about 25 years). And it had less to do with characters who were too old, and more to do with integrating the Golden Age heroes (Jay Garrick, Alan Scott, etc.) with the Silver Age heroes (Barry Allen, Hall Jordan, etc.)
 
 
FinderWolf
16:39 / 19.01.07
Everyone summarized everything beautifully.

The individual issues of 8C said now it was just one universe (the "New Earth" Alexander Luthor spliced together), but the hardcover of 8C features re-written small bits of key dialogue in many scenes that tells us that now it's not only "New Earth," the mainstream DCU post-8C, but there will soon be a discovery of a new Earth-2 ("new" in the sense that it's post-8C and maybe not the 'original', pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths Earth-2).

[I've not looked at or read the hardcover but heard about these post-original-publication changes in various articles online]
 
 
FinderWolf
16:41 / 19.01.07
And I don't really care much or know much about the New Age of Magic - all you need to know is that Spectre went crazy (possessed by Jean Loring) and declared war on all magic, then that whole 'war on magic' thing stopped, and Bill Willingham wrote a mediocre book about obscure C-list magic characters called Shadowpact.

Oh, and the Helmet of Fate is looking for a new host and Detective Crispus Allen from GOTHAM CENTRAL is now the Spectre. That is all.
 
 
Mario
16:55 / 19.01.07
Minor detail... it's possible that the new Earth-2 has already been seen, in Flash #6. Apparently, that's where they were holding Emoboy-Prime.

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/2696990.html
 
 
FinderWolf
17:15 / 19.01.07
Too bad that new Flash book has been pretty poor. They fired the writers after uniformly bad critical response to the new series (writers/co-creators/producers of the 90s Flash TV show) and Marc Guggenheim takes over with #8 or thereabouts.
 
 
Mario
18:26 / 19.01.07
Same thing happened with Wonder Woman. I think DC has learned fairly quickly that "writes for TV" isn't always a selling point.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:29 / 19.01.07
Although I thought the Heinberg WW was/is fun, albeit pretty light fare. It's the delays that are getting most people annoyed at Heinberg, as fans seem to be half-and-half on whether they like the direction DC is going with Diana. Whereas pretty much *everyone* gave the Flash bad reviews.

And Heinberg wasn't fired as Bilson & whoever were on Flash, he was only ever supposed to do his 5-issues and leave. It's just taken too long for him to do 'em (issue 4 hasn't come out yet, I believe).
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:45 / 19.01.07
Not bad, except the multiverse idea predated Crisis by quite some time (about 25 years).

Ah, yes, thanks mario, I knew I would leave something out, I am way better at this sort of thing when drunk and speaking out loud.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:10 / 19.01.07
I think the state of the universe can be summed up thusly: The problem with CoIE and Zero Hour was within about ten minutes of the last issue coming out the events therein were contradicted by writers who either didn't get the memo or who didn't like the rules of the new universe and wanted to go back to the way it was before. Infinite Crisis and 52 was all about creating a universe so flexible that no matter what they do, Morrison and Johns can't break it. The DCU is now like Sebastian Shaw, no matter how hard you hit it it'll just absorb the energy, while insisting on dressing like an Edwardian Dandy.
 
 
Mario
19:23 / 19.01.07
Ah, yes, thanks mario, I knew I would leave something out, I am way better at this sort of thing when drunk and speaking out loud.

Anything to avoid doing real work
 
 
The Natural Way
07:56 / 20.01.07
That last sentence was gold, Lady.
 
 
Quantum
13:57 / 20.01.07
Seconded! It won't work though, Geoff Johns can fuck up anything. I don't know why they bother trying to maintain continuity at all TBH, the annual reset/retcon/revamp/rewind event gets more and more lame each time. The Spectre kicking in all the magic dudes for example, it was shite and in 2007 someone will undo it all and it will turn out to have been a dream of the Fate helmet, which will now be worn by the-artist-formerly-known-as-Mrs-elongated-man. Or Marvel-Dog.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:10 / 20.01.07
Thank you one and all. Now I can finally sleep at night.
 
 
matthew.
23:45 / 20.01.07
Uh... am I in the minority that I don't care. I liked 8C and the tie-in miniseries(es? is that right?). I liked the O.G. Crisis. I liked it all. I don't care if they go back to confusing multiverse. I like it. Civil War on the other hand can kiss my ass.
 
 
Tim Tempest
01:05 / 21.01.07
Do you guys remember when OMACs were all the rage?

Those blue bastards were badass.
 
 
Benny the Ball
06:57 / 21.01.07
Geoff Johns broke comics for me....
 
 
Spaniel
17:28 / 21.01.07
I don't think anyone thinks going back to the multiverse is a bad idea, Matt, or if they do I'm not sure they've actually said so in this thread.
 
 
matthew.
20:52 / 21.01.07
I also don't mind, then, going back and forth from one Earth to a gajillion. Remember, everybody, it's the journey, not the destination.
 
 
Triplets
01:31 / 22.01.07
Unless you're heading to the Shell garage at 4 in the morning for a packet of cigs, matt. Then it is VERY MUCH about the destination.

At the end of the day if it matters to the story that there be a distinction between Earth-XX and Earth-WW2, such as in CASANOVA, then so be it, state that clearly and tell your tale. There's still room for Fanboy Level Red continuity in the multiverse just as there's room for All-Star stories.
 
 
calgodot
07:09 / 22.01.07
Why is Green Lantern crying? He's badass!

He is weeping with rage. Those are tears of anger. He cries for lost innocence.

That, and his paycheck from DC bounced.
 
  

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