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alas
17:15 / 02.07.07
p.s., if anyone wants the whole text of that article, pm me and I can send the whole text of it to you for free. It's pretty interesting.
 
 
matthew.
17:23 / 02.07.07
Do you feel, then, alas, that McCarthy is reinforcing wrong-headed unexamined myths and is probably making the average reader go, "Yay, violence and bloodshed!"

Or do you feel that McCarthy is unintentionally reinforcing these myths? That McCarthy is as guilty of a lack of free will as you or I or Mathlete? He writes because that's what he's trained to do, trained to please the masses that are pleased by his writing?

Do you think he's trying to tear down the myths, examine them and show them for the idiocy that they are, and in doing so, is just making us go "yay, male dominance!"

(My effort in getting the thread back onto topic)
 
 
alas
17:45 / 02.07.07
Good effort. I need to read more McCarthy. Based on my limited reading and my conversations with many McCarthy fans (mostly young males aged 18-35ish), I suspect his writing of something like all of the problems you've quite articulately asked about. But I don't know that for sure. I did watch him on Oprah earlier this summer, and his very appearance on her show, for a real live interview, given the earlier context of this thread, actually made me pick him up again for awhile. But then I set him down, again. Le sigh.

One question I do have: Why does the narrator in Blood Meridian casually use the word "nigger"? Is there a compelling artistic reason for it that I"m just not seeing?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:38 / 02.07.07
I suppose two possible reasons for that might be verisimillitude - that the language is supposed to fit the 1850s setting - and style - the language of Blood Meridian is, if I read aright, a kind of dense, Mexican/Spanish-influenced English, in which words with Spanish origins are often chosen for preference.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:02 / 02.07.07
alas, I'm still a litle perturbed by the generalisation in At some level, men who love Cormac McCarthy seem to believe, of those of us who find his work problematic that we "just can't handle the truth.", because I'm finding the rest of your comments interesting and insightful.

Though to everyone in this thread (myself included), I'd like to point out that the more I read of his stuff (and there's still a few I have yet to tackle) the more variation I find. Blood Meridian, The Crossing, No Country For Old Men... these are all very different books, and it would appear he's harder to pigeonhole than I, at least, had previously assumed.

Any one part of Blood Meridian taken on its own would be immensely problematic. Personally I think that the book taken as a whole is a lot less so, as it questions more than it states, but that could just be me. (I'd LOVE to see a movie of it, but unless it was done REALLY FUCKING WELL, it would be in danger of being absolutely hideous, ideologically speaking).
 
 
alas
23:29 / 02.07.07
Just to you, my dear (I'm sincere!) Stoatie--I accept that was an overgeneralization, written out of my (continued) pique at the annoying thread summary, and, in fact, based on an unfair extrapolation from the admittedly small sample size of McCarthy readers I've actually attended to--i.e., primarily my students and the reviews I've read and some of the comments in this thread (not yours).

(But don't tell anyone I said this, ok? I want to keep my halo of rationality...)

(And obviously I lied when I said I wouldn't keep commenting on this thread until I'd read more McCarthy. I'm going to have to get BM out of the library again....)
 
 
matthew.
02:30 / 03.07.07
In reading Cities of the Plain, I find that in terms of prose, this is definitely his most conventional. It's very rooted in the real world, in terms of plot and prose. Very earthy. That's my thoughts for most of this novel: very earthy.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
10:03 / 06.07.07
SPOLIERS

Read child of god yesterday, and boy was that a swing and a miss. I should have fathomed that it wouldn't be that good by the blurb, which described the main character as a wrestling move, at least that's what I think an "inverted backwoodsman" is. Wasn't it the late Chris Benoit finisher?

I digress. It wasn't the descriptions of necrophilia that bothered me, just the muddy writing, lack of any interesting characters and cheap "shocks" that bothered me. If anyone was thinking of reading this, please don't, it really isn't worth it.
 
 
matthew.
20:53 / 06.07.07
So are there no good merits to Child Of God? It's for McCarthy completists only?
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
07:13 / 07.07.07
Pretty much yes.
 
 
matthew.
12:38 / 07.07.07
Sigh. Okay. If you had used 93 words to review, say, Dan Brown or Tom Clancy or James Rollins, that's fine. But we're on a discussion board trying to articulate what it is about McCarthy that keeps us from coming back to him. In that 93 word review of Child of God, 26 words were devoted to an off-colour and frankly unfunny reference to the Chris Benoit tragedy. That would be akin to me reviewing Thomas Pynchon's Against The Day and spending one third of the review joking that 9/11 widows are overly dramatic.

Engage with us, here. You said that there were no positive merits to the book at all. You didn't enjoy it. Okay, then give us more detail. Tell us why you didn't like it. What makes the writing muddy? What were so "cheap" about the shocks?

The only reason why I'm taking issue with you is that at least with alas she is engaging with the text and attempting to articulate her criticisms. I want to discuss this with you Mathlete! Just try!
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
17:23 / 07.07.07
Sorry fella, I'll go again.

The majority of the novel is the tale of Lester Ballard as he loses his grip on the real world, coupled with a few odd tales of Tennessee life, such as fighting an ape. What proceeds is a collection of events that are loosely tied together by the passing of the seasons, and the shooting of young women so that they can be sexual mannequins.

Starting with the repossession of his house and land by the county, Ballard pinball’s around through a series of unsatisfying interactions with one note characters and trash. The characters we meet fall into two categories, those we meet once to highlight something about the Ballard and those who spring up multiple times and are pure scum, in some vain hope that Ballard becomes more sympathetic through comparison; for example the shop keeper who seems to only be there for a rather simple battle of wits about paying a slate, some fellas who con Lester out of three watches, the shooting gallery owner who Lester wins three plush toys off of. These show us, what, that Lester is an idiot? Cannot live in the normal world? Isn't built for civilisation? Ok, then how about the Dump keeper who rapes his daughter? What's he there for - to show us how horrible the world is, how people do sick twisted things? That at least Lester kills the women before he rapes her?

At least it could have been the same women, I wasn't sure. All of this would be moot if it wasn't for the writing. I believe I said muddy. Well, the narrator jumped all over the place, which is fine, except that most of the time I wasn't sure who the narrator was talking about - I'm pretty sure, but any time it takes more than three goes at a chapter to work out who the hell Ballard is talking too, perhaps the writer could have done more to help me out.

The cheap shocks; I'm not shocked by them. I was more shocked by the lack of any story. By the time Ballard was on his third victim, living in a cave, I was wondering if this novel was going any where. It's horrific conclusion - I didn't care enough about Ballard, however sympathetically drawn he is, to care about his demise. In the end, the main problem with the novel was I really didn't connect with anything within. What was supposed to be shocking, or funny, or clever, was simply mediocre. It didn't strike a cord with me.
 
 
deja_vroom
13:53 / 25.07.07
If you'd like to watch Mr. McCarthy's interview on Oprah, here is the link and here are the keys: id: frey_fraud, pass: bugmenot.

https://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/login/obc_login_main.jhtml?_requestid=524569

He's much warmer and sympathetic than I anticipated. Well he damn well had to, I suppose. Notice him playing for the audience when Oprah asks him why he doesn't write women and he asnwers "Women are tough". Yes. Sure. Works like a charm, though, and she yuks like Goofy...
 
 
Spaniel
14:15 / 28.11.07
So, after finishing the Road I got all excited and rushed to this thread only to have the wind taken out of my sails by Alas's McCarthy scepticism. It's tough to have enjoyed something so much, too have been so moved by it, and then be forced into self examination - to question whether you should have taken pleasure from it at all. That said, The Road isn't Blood Meridian, at least I have it on good authority that the two are distinctly different books, and besides I can only comment in a worthwhile fashion on what I've read, and what it means to me.

So is The Road in some sense questionable - misogynistic? Well, I'm not sure I'm best equipped to answer that question, but it certainly has boy appeal, in that a number of constructions associated with traditionally masculine virtues lurk at its heart: the enduring power of the father son relationship, one flinty man (and a boy) against the world, that kind of thing. However, the question of whether those tropes are sufficently deconstructed by the work aside, that really isn't the stuff that stayed with me. It seems to me that if The Road is about anything, it's about love. The assertion that at the end of the world the only thing that holds out any possibility for a present and a future that contains hope, happiness, even meaning is love. Love and it's attendant virtue, trust.

And that, ultimately, is why this book blew me to pieces.

Sure, it's entertaining, if you call moving rapidly between anxiety, fear, love, horror, and a sense of profound beauty entertaining (which I do). And, yes, the language is undoubtedly powerful and beautiful and incredibly haunting. And, granted, it is almost the perfect modern book in that it's short enough, full of enough white space, unthreatening enough as an object, to hold the attention of the MTV generation (assuming they actually exist). But for me it was the existential questions that it forced on me - forced in a very real way - and the consequent reflections, on my life, what I value, who and what I love, and, perhaps most importantly, the almost unbearable love I have for my child, that makes this book one of the most powerful I have ever read.

God, why do I find reviewing books so bloody hard?

Alas, put down Blood Meridian. Pick up The Road
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:37 / 28.11.07
It seems to me that if The Road is about anything, it's about love.

That was exactly what I got from it, really- all that is left is love. And that is a strong enough force to make the protagonist stay alive, when death would be a much easier option. He's not staying alive because he sees any value in life. He's staying alive because of the love he feels for his son. It's the bleakest of McCarthy's novels (that I've read) in setting, yet strangely the most optimistic- whatever happens, love will fight like a motherfucker to survive it.


Actually, far from putting down Blood Meridian, I'm still intrigued to know whether alas actually picked it up again and can give us her response to the book as a whole? (Not meant to sound snarky, btw).

I'd argue that rather than leaving racism and misogyny (as well as pretty much any other manifestation one cares to name of the tyranny of the strong over the weak) unexamined, that's pretty much ALL BM does, by reinventing the genre of the Western as something- not closer to the truth, not by a long shot, but something which does the exact opposite of glossing over the atrocities, instead revelling in them (not quite the right word... perhaps "immersing itself" in them?). There are no "cool" bandits, no double-cross of which you think "whew, what a smooth guy"- it's all the basic essentials of humanity fucking each other over. In this respect, I'd say Blood Meridian is a lot LESS racist or misogynistic than the traditional novel in the genre. There is nothing at all about that book that makes you think "whoah, I want to be THAT GUY doing THAT STUFF" (which was why I rather angrily took exception to alas's accusations of male white power fantasies, as I recall). Well, there wasn't for me, anyway. YMMV. I read it as if it was a map of hell, to be honest.
 
 
Dusto
18:14 / 28.11.07
Still haven't finished Blood Meridian. Now that I take the subway for two hours everyday, though, I'm tempted to give it one more try. I was starting to enjoy it last time. Anyway, without having read The Road, either, can I ask: what makes it better than any other post-apocalyptic survivor story? Stephen King's "The Gunslinger," for instance? I don't mean that in a derisive way at all. I'll probably read The Road soonish. I'm just wondering what sets it apart, since the premise seems like something that's been amply explored maany times before.
 
 
Spaniel
19:28 / 28.11.07
Not having read much in the way of post apocalyptic fiction I'm not really the bloke to ask. The idea, however, that Stephen King is even halfway capable of producing something as beautifully written, powerful and humane does seem somewhat absurd. I don't think many writers would be capable of it.

Best argument I can muster.
 
 
Spaniel
19:29 / 28.11.07
Oh, and it's not the premise that counts, it's the execution
 
 
Dusto
13:24 / 29.11.07
Of course it's the execution that count. I'm asking what exactly his execution adds. I'm not arguing that Stephen King is a master prose stylist or that his exploration of human nature is exceptionally profound, but from what I know of The Road, it seems to be exploring much the same themes as The Gunslinger (the only Stephen King I've read) in much the same manner. Grizzled old guy with a gun walking across a post-apocalyptic landscape with a small boy whom he must protect. The difference between the two (from what I can tell without having read The Road) seems to be that the roles are a little reversed. The boy in The Gunslinger is the one with memories of civilization and humanity, and he ends up teaching the old guy a thing or two about love. The climax of the book comes when the old guy has to choose between his arbitrary quest and his affection for another human being.

Now, I'm not saying that this is exactly the same as The Road, even from what I know of it. But the two do seem to be using similar tropes to similar ends. And while I can't say that Stephen King is an incredibly tight writer, what I've read of McCarthy feels a little sloppy to me, as well (see my comments on Blood Meridian upthread). All of this said, I'm cautiously enthusiastic about The Road, but I'm just wondering what exactly sets it apart from the other books out there that have explored similar themes.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:31 / 29.11.07
Having read your comments both here and upthread, I feel qualified to say: You are wrong. In the head.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:08 / 29.11.07
No, seriously. I mean, when you say that Stephen King is a tight writer and that McCarthy's prose is sloppy and uncontrolled, then I have to presume that either you're being wilfully perverse or you seriously have no idea what you're reading.

Let me be straight: I like Stephen King okay, and I think his prose is perfectly serviceable—and he has no illusions and is making no claims otherwise. I don't think his voice is particularly controlled—in fact, I think the loosey-goosey, what-the-hell quality of it is what keeps the stories rocketing along. Because that's what Stephen King's work is all about: story.

McCarthy, on the other hand, is less about story than he is about ideas and (especially) language. The narrative voice of Blood Meridian, in particular, sounded the way it did because of where and when it was set, the same reason that, say, DEADWOOD has that weird patois of Victorian elegance veneered onto almost pre-social crudity; it is a book made to be read aloud—so many of its characters are illiterate—emotionally muted because its characters are dulled by whiskey and inurement to the horrors around them; linguistically skewed because the American language was in the process of reinventing itself as truly American, rather than English, with its Spanish influences still only half-digested. The idea is the idea of the West—of how the West was "won" and at what price—and the language is the West's language.

I literally cannot conceive how anyone could read Cormac McCarthy and not come away with the impression that every word has been painstakingly chosen, every sentence written and rewritten to within an inch of its life. Sometimes it comes off stiff, or mannered: but sloppy? The craftsmanship, the meticulousness, is screamingly evident in every paragraph.

(Further, I would suggest that if Stephen King's narrative voice is particularly tight in the Gunslinger books, that it may be in part because he is consciously imitating McCarthy—whose work King is on record as having long admired.)

But yeah. Story on one hand, ideas on the other. The Gunslinger is about Roland Deschain and what happens to him: The Road is about whether the idea of kindness still has any meaning at the End of the World.

Oh, and this to Alas, waaaaaay upthread:

As a scholar of the 19th century, I'm not convinced that he's really got any sort of a grip on the period.

As a scholar of the 19th Century, you're surely aware that the vast majority of the events and persons portrayed in Blood Meridian—even in the passing, throwaway references—are based on real persons and events, and largely drawn from eyewitness accounts and other primary sources, yes? If your contention is that McCarthy hasn't done his research, I think it's fair to say that you, too, are flat-out Wrong.

If you disagree with the conclusions to which his research led him—that is, if you think that, even though he's got his facts right, he has misconstrued the meaning underlying those facts—well, then, I'd like to hear your argument.
 
 
Spaniel
14:33 / 29.11.07
I dunno, as I say, I can't comment on anything else MacCarthy has written but I'm struggling to think of anything approaching sloppy writing in The Road. Perhaps I'm just not as perceptive as you, or maybe I was just a little too immersed in my own enthusiasm for the book, but I find it hard to imagine that the guy who wrote The Road ever gets sloppy. It's one of the most precise, exacting novels I've ever read. In fact I'm not sure if your earlier criticisms map across my experience of the book in any meaningful way.

Okay, so what makes it different in detail? Well for a start there's the sheer quality of the writing - it's beauty, it's formal elegance, it's awesome descriptive power, it's capacity to evoke an emotional response. Then there's the way the novel effortlessly articulates and explores complex themes and philosophical ideas (the power and function of storytelling, Jack's' aforementioned "place for happiness at the end of the world", the ultimate ground of meaning, and lots of other stuff). Then there's the setting itself: the landscape of the novel (which is mirrored by the narrative, the writing and the formal structure) is empty and brutal and plausible in a way that I've never come across in any post-apocalyptic fiction outside of Where the Wind Blows.

I could go on, but I'm thinking you and I see very different things when we look at a page of his prose.
 
 
Dusto
14:49 / 29.11.07
There is a bit of wilfull perversion in the comparison, of course. I chose King for my example because he's the king of "popular fiction" while McCarthy is here being touted as the king of "literary fiction." But you'll notice, I did not say that King's prose is tight. I said "I can't say that King is an incredibly tight writer." And when I called McCarthy sloppy upthread, I qualified it by saying I'm sure he knew exactly what he was doing, but it feels sloppy to me. As a writer I would have made different decisions. His tense shifts, in particular, at times seem random while at other times I can see no reason for them except to create an artificial sense of immediacy by shifting momentarily into the present.

So in summary: I'm not saying King is anywhere near as talented as McCarthy on the level of prose. Nor am I saying he's as ambitious on the level of theme. I'm just wondering what The Road is doing with the conventions of the well-explored genre that it belongs to. Is it just exploring the traditional tropes and themes of this genre better than they've been explored before? Is it subverting them in the way that Blood Meridian subverts the traditional tropes and themes of the western? I suppose the best way to answer this is for me to just read the book myself, but I was just wondering what other lithers might have to say on the subject. Jack, I do appreciate your thoughts on King being all about story while McCarthy is all about big ideas, though I'm not sure I completely agree. From what little King I've read, he seems to be more interested in character than plot. But point taken, nonetheless. McCarthy has a point to make in his fiction. King just wants to entertain. I also appreciate your thoughts on Blood Meridian. They will be in mind when I pick it up again (soon).

boboss, I doubt we see prose that differently. I think maybe I'm just in a contrarian mood.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:03 / 29.11.07
I'm pretty much in total agreement with Mr Fear on this one, although I think there are definitely moments in McCarthy when "controlled" is the wrong word to use. The passage about Billy killing the wolf in The Crossing, for example- you can almost feel the sentences writing themselves, getting out of his hands. I always imagine a couple of those paragraphs having originally been intended to be much shorter, but it just took off, and took him with it. (Though I am under no illusion that he then probably went back and weighted every word so that it read as beautifully as it does).

This is all, of course, absolute conjecture on my part. But sometimes he does remind me of those wonderful moments when you're writing and suddenly you're not struggling, or even working, to come up with the words, and they just seem to come out of you without any conscious intervention. Of course, in my case, it doesn't happen often, and when it does the words are usually rubbish, but that's what it feels like to me to read some of his stuff.

Of course, this could indeed always be deliberate!

So yeah, I totally agree, other than the use of the word "controlled". He's a fucking master of the language, that's for sure- maybe it's something more like (to use an apt comparison, but one which I know nothing about other than from his books) riding a horse- you're in "control" in one sense, but it's never "control" right down to the details- you have to work with the animal. Apparently.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:12 / 29.11.07
I'm just wondering what The Road is doing with the conventions of the well-explored genre that it belongs to.

See, we part company right there; because I think it's risibly reductionist to call The Road a genre novel at all, except inasmuch as it uses the trappings of genre to explore its ideas about the human condition. The tropes and conventions of the end-of-the-world story are incidental to McCarthy's real purpose. And so you will learn nothing of The Road, because you are proceeding from a false assumption. You will learn nothing because you are ASKING THE WRONG FUCKING QUESTION.

You dig Pynchon, right? Then let me ask you: What is Pynchon doing with the well-trod territory of the World War II novel? I've read The Naked and the Dead and From Here To Eternity, I've seen Schindler's List: why then do I need to read Gravity's Rainbow? Why do I need to read another WWII book?






I am reminded once again of a conversation I once had with someone who thought Barney Miller was the worst cop show he'd ever seen. I couldn't pound any sense into him, either.
 
 
Dusto
15:30 / 29.11.07
See, we part company right there; because I think it's risibly reductionist to call The Road a genre novel at all, except inasmuch as it uses the trappings of genre to explore its ideas about the human condition. The tropes and conventions of the end-of-the-world story are incidental to McCarthy's real purpose. And so you will learn nothing of The Road, because you are proceeding from a false assumption. You will learn nothing because you are ASKING THE WRONG FUCKING QUESTION.

I'm not trying to reduce it to a "genre novel," but I think we can both agree that it's at least engaging with an established genre. And I don't think I'm asking the wrong question, since "it uses the trappings of genre to explore its ideas about the human condition. The tropes and conventions of the end-of-the-world story are incidental to McCarthy's real purpose" is exactly the sort of answer I was looking for.

You dig Pynchon, right? Then let me ask you: What is Pynchon doing with the well-trod territory of the World War II novel? I've read The Naked and the Dead and From Here To Eternity, I've seen Schindler's List: why then do I need to read Gravity's Rainbow? Why do I need to read another WWII book?

I'm not asking why I need to read The Road. I plan to read it. But if you were to ask me what Gravity's Rainbow does differently than other WWII novels, I could tell you.
 
 
Dusto
15:31 / 29.11.07
I'm not trying to be obtuse. Perhaps my question was just badly worded. Sorry about that. I should probably just read the book myself before I say any more on the subject.
 
 
Locust No longer
21:18 / 30.11.07
I very much agree with Jack on this one.

I just read Child of God a few weeks back, which someone said they hated earlier. I would not say I hated it or even disliked it really. Nor was I blown away. Yes, the story is unpleasant and episodic at points. But the episodes all lead to an inevitable conclusion. I don't feel it was a particularly good story, but it's exceedingly readable prose. If anything, I find it very nihilistic, dealing more about how outsiders and society's inability to integrate these fellers. Throughout there's a feeling of gallows humor to it all, and I found the dramatic horror and perversity of the protagonist to border on the ridiculous. The ending was particularly funny to me. I wouldn't call this one a classic McCarthy by any means, but I found it highly enjoyable to read, and gathering much from the Southern gothic tradition which I'm really fond of (I know he doesn't always write in this way). That said, I wouldn't compare McCarthy to the emotional scope or range of Faulkner (who can be?) or O'Conner. I enjoy him immensely and on his own merits, however. Apparently much in Child of God is based on actual events, as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Ridley Scott is supposed to direct a film version of Blood Meridian. May God have mercy on him. I guess I'm glad McCarthy's making some money after his lean years though.
 
 
Dusto
13:53 / 10.12.07
A couple days ago I started Blood Meridian again. I'm about a third of the way through. I'm enjoying it, with reservations. For better or worse, I can't help but read it with this thread in mind. So far it seems to work by punctuating dullness (pages of riding along with nothing much happening) with scenes of sudden violence (Indian massacre). I can respect the intentional dullness. Moby Dick does that well. I do still find McCarthy humorless, though. He's probably the most humorless novelist I've read. Melville and Faulkner (to use the authors cited for comparison on the front cover of my edition) are both laugh out loud funny on occasion, and even at their most serious they tend to have at least some humor about what's going on. But I've accepted this about McCarthy (or at least Blood Meridian) by this point.

Stylistically, though, I'd say he's a mixed bag. There are some moments where he chooses the perfect image and presents it in a precise poetic way. But other times, it feels a little lazy to me. The unnecessary tense shifts still strike me as a cheap effect. I get that this is supposed to be faux-biblical/epic in tone, and I can accept the repetition and run on sentences as imitation of an oral formulaic style. But then this seems to conflict on occasion with his word choice. "Pyrolatrous"? I can't see any of the characters (or a hypothetical oral storyteller) using this word. So why does McCarthy use it? It's unnecessarily obscure (though I suppose it can be worked out from the context and a knowledge of Greek roots). His obscurity works when he's using language that fits his story: the "tang" of a gun, for instance. Here, though, it serves no purpose. Similarly, his coinages are hit and miss for me. I like the door "awap" on its hinges, because there seems to be no other good word to convey what he means. But sometimes it seems as if, given the choice between choosing the right word and making up a word, he'll take making up a word every time. A sky "sprent" with stars could just as easily be "spread" or "sprinkled" with stars, either one of which would give me a clearer idea of what he means. The horizon being described as a "razorous plane" is completely unnecessary, since a horizon is by definition a plane, and even if he felt the need to describe it, "razorlike" or "razor thin" would have worked just as well without making up a word. He also seems fond of redundant adjectives. A "pneumatic sigh," for instance. Aren't all sighs pneumatic?

All of that said, even though I tend to be a naturally close reader, I'm probably reading more closely than I usually would. And perhaps my dissatisfaction with the prose comes from setting my expectations too high. Not everyone can write as well as Nabokov (the author I immediately think of whenever I hear "master prose stylist"). Besides, I am enjoying the book to a degree, so I'll reserve final judgment for when I'm done.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:30 / 10.12.07
Sprent is, in fact, a real word, albeit an archaic one; and I would wager that many of the other words that you take for "coinages" are similarly genuine.

As to the why: I would speculate that, besides for their exactitude of meaning, McCarthy chooses obscure and archaic words precisely for their alienating effect—and it's a double alienation. For the modern reader, the past is indeed another country, and McCarthy doesn't want us getting comfortable with the terrain; his characters, too, are far from home and from the structures and precept of what they recognize as civilization, left to shift for themselves in a strange and hostile land where no hand of kindness is in the offing, where even the starry sky seems threatening and disorienting.

If you don't like it, just say so: you don't have to justify your taste by claiming there's something wrong with the work.
 
 
Spaniel
14:34 / 10.12.07
(You know, there's a thread in the line between objective criticism and subjective taste/feeling)
 
 
Dusto
14:56 / 10.12.07
As I said, I don't mind the obscure language when it seems justified in the context. And I get that it's supposed to be alienating. But "pyrolatrous"? What's that doing there? And it's not that I dislike his prose, it's more that I don't understand what's supposed to be so GREAT about it. Which is to say that if I hadn't heard so much about how great it is, I'd probably feel indifferent about it. Having heard his style praised so highly, however, I find myself paying extra attention, and consequently I'm struck by some fairly straightforward instances of weak writing. "Pneumatic sigh," for instance. I'm sure my own writing contains all the same sorts of weaknesses that I'm pointing out in McCarthy, but I'm more surprised to find these weaknesses in someone whose prose is so revered. In a book like Lolita, by contrast, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single redundant adjective.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:03 / 10.12.07
If you read Blood Meridian as a gnostic text, the reason for that seemingly-extraneous "pneumatic" is obvious. (Maybe.)
 
 
Dusto
17:57 / 10.12.07
Interesting idea. Thanks also for pointing out that "sprent" is a word. But with the pneumatic thing, that's exactly the sort of response I was hoping for to my first post. You know, if I say "redundancy is bad, and this seems redundant" for someone to come along and tell me either "No, redundancy isn't always bad, because in this case..." or "Actually, it's not redundant, because from a gnostic viewpoint..." And you know, just after my previous post, I flipped the book open at random and came across this:

"The rind of a moon that had been in the sky all day was gone and they followed the trail through the desert by starlight, the Pleiades straight overhead and very small and the Great Bear walking the mountains to the north."

Which is pretty much everything I look for in description: the sort of precise, poetic image that I briefly mentioned in my earlier post.
 
 
Spaniel
18:13 / 10.12.07
That passage is fucking awesome.

Sorry, my contributions to this thread will remain at that level until I actually get to read the book (over Christmas).
 
  

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