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Children of Men

 
  

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captain piss
21:39 / 02.10.06
Don’t remember that but it sounds like another cool realistic touch – it’s all the wee subtle observations like that which make this film really come to life.

(think you meant ‘refugees’ there – just thinking I don’t remember Theo huddling amongst any lame hip-hop bands – b’dum tsh!)
 
 
sleazenation
22:17 / 02.10.06
nah - in the slang of the film, its '''fugees" for "refugees"... and outside of Quietus, few people ket to be killed softly (with or without 'his song').
 
 
Shrug
23:08 / 03.10.06
Agreed, on the little touches, it really was a well realised world. There were a number of times in which I really appreciated the quite blatant visually themes of youthly reverence and then began to think how absolutely apt these images (aside from being wonderful metaphorically/thematically) were.

As in the constant nurturing of young animals. A number of scenes featured angelic little kittens/pups etc and had people lovingly clutch to pets. Of course these youngling animals would be somehow subsitituted and reverenced in children's stead! And again, when the group hid in the abandonded primary school, I began to fully realise the implications of a childless society.

(What really could only be described as) The Manger Scene was a wonderful touch, complete with "Jesus Christ" exclamations. Similarly fun was Kee's "But I'm a virgin" jibe. And, indeed, some great jokes throughout.

I would've thought the moral core of the film lay with a messsage of war, the murder of youth, massive scale loss of life, and the intrinsic (at least purported) inhumanity thereof. Pretty clearly evidenced in the crowd's reactions in the final scenes and then pointedly so as the shelling/shooting/gunning/crying/kicking/moaning/fighting begins to tick over again...
 
 
Shrug
23:13 / 03.10.06
I also saw an unusual portion of noticeably pregnant women in attendance. Which isn't odd considering the theme but would seem at least unusual when considering attendence of any regular hyperbolic actioner. It was just a very good broadly appealing film. One of it's very great merits lying in its broad appeal, I suppose.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:31 / 22.10.06
Snappy review in Boyz Magazine, demonstrating specific priorities:

A world without children. But with Clive Owen. Bliss!

Clive Owen in flipflops too. Excellent film. Glad it has done so well.
 
 
thewalker
07:01 / 28.11.06
i saw it last week,

awesome film. will watch again. i was stoned on canabutter at the time, and didnt even notice the long takes, normally i notice that kind of detail, even considering my state it shows the lightness of touch and fluid confidence of the movie makers, often such trickery can pull you out of the moment.

the jumpstart chase was one the most excruciating and exciting and origional sequences i have seen in a long time, i was on the edge of my seat.

i read somewhere that the battle scene took a few days, the blood splash was not planned but happened to be on easily the best take.
 
 
Balasuthrius
14:04 / 05.12.06
Haven't seen it yet, looking forward to. When I first saw the trailer, the moment where it began to speed up, flashing between scenes of war, and then Michael Caine putting his hand up on the car's window, the boat coming out of the tunnel, I got chills. I love something that accurately conveys the feeling of: "this is humanity's last hope".

Anyway, my mate and I were discussing it, and we had an idea. I'm sure this is not the actual ending, but what if the child had been Christ? If that miraculous birth had been the second coming, and all the people's hopes dashed, because the birth of this infant meant plagues and war and famine worse than what they had known. I think sci-fi and the Book of Revelations make an interesting mix that hasn't been fully delved into.
 
 
thewalker
08:23 / 14.12.06
and i saw it again...


kode 9 playing in the pub scene, brilliant


the birth scene is a long(ish) shot too, starts on the stairs, into the room, we see her lying down........all the way till after the birth, what a feat

retract the above, upon third viewing shot begins inside the room. doh
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
11:17 / 14.12.06
Bugger, I completely missed this. Given all the comments, I'd really, really like to see this on the big screen - anyone got an idea of venues in London that might do this as a second run? I checked and there's one cinema running this, ending today, and I have to go to a blimmin' work party tonight which I can't get out of.

Any ideas?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
11:35 / 14.12.06
I live in Purgatory and will never see this ever, probably. Sadness.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
23:26 / 15.12.06
Oh lordy. I saw this tonight. Bugged my flatmate into coming to see it with me. She wasn't into the idea, said it 'looked too serious'. I emailed her back with this gambit:

B..b.b.b.b.but it's politically engaged sci-fi, about a repressive state, with explosions! It ticks all the boxes!

*wobbles lip*


and she relented, only to decide she wanted to stay in the pub. The discussion on here meant I was in a powerful hurry to see it regardless, so I went along myself.

Man. One of the most compelling, beautifully shot and thought-provoking science fiction films I have seen in the last five years. Maybe ever. As was said upthread, this was everything V for Vendetta should have been in its casting of our world in a future light, with the added benefit of being centred around a horrifying and deeply unsettling core idea.

The shot as they walked out of the tower block was utterly intense. As was the initial ambush scene. At the end of that scene, as they reversed away, I audibly let my breath out, and the girl sitting three seats away from me turned to me in the dark with her eyes wide open and just nodded. Then we both turned back to the screen instantly. I felt like a villager in the 30's when the projectionist comes into town and sets up his screen, gasping and staring moon-eyed at the flickering images.

I want to write more, and I will, but it's late and I'm tired. Suffice to say, see this film, and see it now.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:17 / 08.01.07
curious: a friend of mine is acting as if it's fact that Jaspar and Janice are Theo's parents. this seems extremely unsupported by the film itself. the only thing that lends it weight are the pictures of theo, julianne, and dylan...

what says barbelith?
 
 
Elettaria
15:36 / 08.01.07
I've not done more than skimmed once I got past the first few posts as I want to see this film, but I noticed this:

In the film, it's the women who have a fertility problem, thus the extinction of the species could be blamed on women.

I immediately thought of The Handmaid's Tale as well. One obvious difference, if the above quotation is indeed the case for Children of Men, is that in The Handmaid's Tale, infertility affects both men and women. You don't find out whether it's more of a problem for one gender or the other, because only women are blamed and tested, resulting in situations where certifiably fertile women (the Handmaids) are forced to have sex with men who are quite likely infertile, and if they fail to conceive bear all the blame, even though the "fault" is with the men. I wouldn't call that anti-feminist, more like anti-patriarchal (or whatever you call objections to male-dominant societies). Anything similar going on with this film?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
16:35 / 08.01.07
One thing that struck me about the film, which maybe others have realised- the possible influence of Half-Life 2.
It may be coincidence (alright, it probably is), but like Children of Men, in HL2 humanity is unable to breed (an alien 'supression field' prevents conception) and much of the later game feels a lot like the last part of CoM- rebels and military forces trading gunfire in a partially ruined European city. I'm being crazy right?
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:28 / 08.01.07
I saw this last night and liked it a lot. For a moment, I thought, the movie might end with her sitting in the boat, and we wouldn´t know, if she got rescued or not. And of all the disturbing moments, the one that got to me the most was the midwife being pulled off the bus and getting this abu ghraib treatment. I don´t remember having seen a movie with such bleak scenes since the grey zone.

And with the refugees who´ve seen the baby being killed, the only witnesss would be the soldiers, and they certainly would be told to shut up about it. I imagined after a while the story of the refugee child becoming a new urban myth (like the birth of Jesus v. 2.0).

Question:
Do they only play british pop music on the radio? I heard King Crimson, and there also was Radiohead and a cover of Ruby Tuesday. Was this to suggest, with the rest of the world gone, to choose only uk music was to help "britain soldier on"?
 
 
Chiropteran
18:34 / 08.01.07
In the film, it's the women who have a fertility problem, thus the extinction of the species could be blamed on women.

In the original novel, apparently, the problem is male infertility (or so say various online synopses). I don't know exactly why this was changed for the movie, but given current advances in fertility science like the successful combination of two egg cells instead of an egg and a sperm cell (at least in mice) - fast-forwarded to 2027 - male infertility by itself might not seem such an insurmountable problem [EDIT: from a purely scientific perspective - societal and symbolic factors would weigh in very heavily, I'm sure; see also Handsmaid's Tale, above].

Meanwhile, I saw the movie and loved it. It wasn't as unrelentingly heavy as I feared it might be - there was a lot of humor, and some very likeable (if rarely unambivalent) characters, and these balanced the bleakness to the point of still being a Good Night At the Movies, as well as a serious gut-wrencher.

After viewing, the element that stuck in my mind the most was Jasper and Janice, and their little house in the woods. There were many images and moments in the film that were more striking (oh, the list goes on), but I think that they touched me the most.
 
 
Loud Detective
01:22 / 09.01.07
Phex, my mate and I both noticed the Half-Life 2 influence, especially during the earlier parts of the film. I really want all of these people to make a movie in the HL2 world, with no sign of Freeman except maybe offhand references and maybe a brief glimpse.
Threadrot aside, though, this was a fantastic movie! Definitely one of the better sci-fi films I've seen in quite a while, and like everyone says, it's what V for Vendetta should have been like.
 
 
Jared Louderback
03:26 / 09.01.07
After the movie the first thing my friend and I talked about was how the first half of the movie was totally HalfLife 2: Train shots, refugees lined up in cages, angry cops yelling at passerbys. If only the game was as half as good as the movie!

We're but a week into 2007 and already this movie is in clear running for best movie of the year.
 
 
Planet B
22:53 / 10.01.07
Wow. Just wow.

I can't remember the last time I saw a movie so rich in imagery -- physical and literary. The two appearances of "Guernica" especially was pretty cool.

I have one question that is totally unrelated to the story, though: Is there always a pig flying over London or is this just a tribute to Floyd's Animals?
 
 
Planet B
22:57 / 10.01.07
the one that got to me the most was the midwife being pulled off the bus and getting this abu ghraib treatment.

I loved how there were so many scenes like this and with the fugees that made such strong statements about our current political situation without saying (verbally) anything about them. And it was really periphery to the story, but added weight as we see the consequences of our current reality continued on after some great apocalypse.
 
 
Ganesh
22:59 / 10.01.07
Pretty sure it's a Floyd reference. Pigs don't usually fly.
 
 
Liger Null
21:00 / 19.01.07
I just saw this earlier this week. From the ambush scene on, I cried pretty much throughout.

I'm not sure whether Kee's performance was not particularly strong, or whether we were not encouraged enough to empathise with her. One of my hmms was about the very childlike nature of her character.

I think her childlike nature came from the fact that she was very young (about 20?) in a world where the youngest person alive was eighteen years old and still being referred to as "Baby Diego." Some societally-imposed arrested development is bound to occur under such conditions.

Nonetheless, I got the impression that Kee was actually a very strong, pragmatic young woman who was no stranger to hard times. That and I totally fell in love with her voice. Must be the French accent.

Michael Caine's role seemed very similar to Edward G Robinson in Soylent Green, and I wonder if that was at all deliberate.

I thought about that as well, and I wonder if the Jasper's Strawberry Ganja wasn't a direct reference to Sol's Strawberry Jam.

curious: a friend of mine is acting as if it's fact that Jaspar and Janice are Theo's parents. this seems extremely unsupported by the film itself. the only thing that lends it weight are the pictures of theo, julianne, and dylan...what says barbelith?

I got a very strong impression that they were his parents as well. My BF disagreed with me on the grounds that Theo referred to Jasper by his first name, instead of "Dad". But there are families-especially bohemian ones-where such conventions are irrelevant. Then there was Julianne Moore's line about something having happened to his mother, whom I assumed was the catatonic Janice.

Regardless of whether or not Jasper and Janice were his biological parents, it's clear that they filled that role in Theo's life. So I'd say that your friend's assumption was correct.

Also, that birth scene was one of the most realistic birth scenes I'd ever seen outside a documentary. When the baby came out all lifeless my heart stopped and I was like, "Oh no..." and then she convulsed and cried like a real newborn. Usually in films the baby is all squeaky-clean and about nine months old.
 
 
diz
04:47 / 29.01.07
Did anyone notice the fact the Theo never carried a gun throughout the film? I don't think he even picked one up. A pleasant change from what a standard action film would have done. I also liked what Curazon did with Theo's shoes to sabotage any classic hero images, the films full of cool little touches like that.

I think that was one of my favorite aspects of the movie. I loved how Cuaron very carefully built up a rivalry between Theo and Luke, and a secondary rivalry between Theo and the henchman with the blonde dreadlocks, what in any traditional action movie would have been resolved in the standard climactic fight sequences. Instead, in the end, both Luke and the other revolutionaries, and the armed conflict in general, are basically sidelined as irrelevant, marginal, and pathetic.

One thing that did amuse me - during one scene with bullets flying Theo attempts to huddle for cover in a corner with some fugees - they make noises of complaint of the kind you might expect on a crowded tube train, which prompts Theo to instinctively pull back and search for somewhere else to hide from the bullets while mumbling 'I'm sorry'.

It just rang true for me...


What really got me about that was that Clive Owen totally acted like people act when they know they've committed a faux pas, not just when you've bumped into someone on the subway but when you've bumped into someone on the subway and it's obvious to everyone, including yourself, that it's your fault. Which, to me, implied that there was some sort of accepted unspoken ettiquette about finding cover when people are shooting at you in this society.

And again, when the group hid in the abandonded primary school, I began to fully realise the implications of a childless society.

Yeah, that hit me, too.

We're but a week into 2007 and already this movie is in clear running for best movie of the year.

It was released in 2006, though it was only in limited release in the US until Jan 5.

the one that got to me the most was the midwife being pulled off the bus and getting this abu ghraib treatment.

I loved how there were so many scenes like this and with the fugees that made such strong statements about our current political situation without saying (verbally) anything about them.


I love that that whole thing was shot in such an understated manner. The midwife takes the fall to distract the guard from Kee in labor, scene goes on, we see a quick shot of her getting hooded and the bus rolls on. We know what happened, and the horror is just unspeakable, but there were no dramatic lingering reaction shots or anything like that. Just "boom!" and she's gone and no one talks about her again. Perfectly chilling and totally effective.
 
 
Chiropteran
12:01 / 29.01.07
he's gone and no one talks about her again.

Did anyone else see her (briefly, peripherally) in the apartment block scene, or was it just me?
 
 
CameronStewart
12:26 / 29.01.07
I think it's just you...
 
 
Quantum
12:41 / 29.01.07
I remember as the bus went on you saw people in hoods, then people stripped in hoods, then people in hoods lined up against wals, then rows of dead people in hoods laid out. I think it's pretty clear what happened to her, and also a fantastic example of the film showing not telling.
 
 
Chiropteran
12:55 / 29.01.07
Okay, I could've sworn I saw her (dead) in the stairwell as Theo is going up - there was at least someone wearing the same(ish?) colors and with similar hair and build. I guess there's nothing for it but to go see it again.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:09 / 29.01.07
>>>a fantastic example of the film showing not telling.<<<

This is one of the things that impressed me most about the film - it's a masterclass in exposition. No awkward voiceover narration or lazy, over-explanatory dialogue, there's a richness of information conveyed through incidental background details, or carefully constructed conversation. Everything you need to know to set the plot in motion is conveyed through Michael Caine telling a joke.
 
 
Liger Null
21:02 / 29.01.07
Everything you need to know to set the plot in motion is conveyed through Michael Caine telling a joke.

I loved that scene, mostly because I've been in a similar situation more than once. It's those little moments that really bring the film to life.
 
 
Corey Waits
23:09 / 29.01.07
No awkward voiceover narration or lazy, over-explanatory dialogue

I wouldn't agree completely. The scene wear Dreadies gets back to the farmhouse and gets yelled at, they spell things out pretty explicitly in that scene:

"Why did you bring the bike back here! We can't let her find out that we killed Julianne!" (Or whatever the actualy quote is)

Apart from that, however, I do agree. My favourite thing about the film was how organic it felt. You could never tell where the story was going to go because none of it seemed contrived.
 
 
CameronStewart
01:29 / 30.01.07
>>>The scene wear Dreadies gets back to the farmhouse and gets yelled at, they spell things out pretty explicitly in that scene<<<

I suppose, but although it was explicit it didn't, to me, feel forced or unnatural, like poor exposition can be. It didn't remove me from my immersion in the story at that point. Or perhaps I'm just being generous to that bit because I enjoyed the film so thoroughly.
 
 
Corey Waits
02:24 / 30.01.07
It did feel forced to me though, which is funny, because I hadn't actually figured it out just yet.
I think I was just annoyed that they decided to talk down to me, when they certainly hadn't been up until that point.

I think it might've been better if he started to freak out about the motorbike without saying anything about the murder.
Then, if you're dim-witted like me, you'd think "What's he making a big deal about the motorbike for? ... ... ... ... ... Oh wait a second! I think I figured it out!"

But yeah, I'm going to stop picking on this one small point. I don't want it to sound like I'm bad-mouthing the film too much because (as I might have already said up-thread) it was probably my favourite film from last year.

As an aside, what glitch track was it that Jasper starts playing just after that Radiohead track? I'm pretty sure the line that preceeds it is something along the lines of "How about a little Zen?"
 
 
Chiropteran
12:41 / 30.01.07
According to SoundtrackINFO, the "zen music" was Aphex Twin's "Omgyjya Switch7" off the "Drukqs" album. Then again, there was another song listed in the credits that actually had "zen music" or somesuch in the title, but I don't remember who it was credited to (IMDB wasn't much help).
 
 
CameronStewart
12:50 / 30.01.07
>>>Then again, there was another song listed in the credits that actually had "zen music" <<<

"Propaganda & Bells and Zed Music" by Michael Price.

(Zed, not zen)
 
 
Chiropteran
12:56 / 30.01.07
Ah yes, that was it.
 
  

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