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paranoidwriter waves hello
12:25 / 16.07.06
So, if by chance you had heard any comment made in the US media about Native American rights, would that therefore mean Native Americans are "complaining" and "fighting their cause"? Do you see what I'm getting at? (I'm not for a second justifying the media in any country, believe me)
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:50 / 16.07.06
I'm sure Prince Harry could grow a beard if ze wanted to.

What I'm confused about, 33, is what you'd rather have these male role models, that you seem to feel so let down by, be doing? James Blunt has been trained to kill, has by now, presumably, a fairly impressive series of notches on his bed post, perhaps a couple of fast cars in the garage, and, for definite, a beard. Now granted, his music may seem a little effeminate to you, you'd possibly prefer his material to sound more like Black Sabbath's, and, fair enough, something like 'War Pigs' is more overtly 'guy-ish' than say, 'You're Beautiful.' But then again, Black Sabbath had long hair, wore make-up and often seemed as if they might have been dressed in women's clothing.

Your idea that rockers'n'goths are a neglected last bastion of masculinity in today's feminising culture seems slightly weird, really, given the emphasis on androgyny in said sub-culture.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:56 / 16.07.06
I have proposed that we move this thread to conversation.
 
 
33
13:02 / 16.07.06
Its not about role models
I am dont have any role models at all .

The who point to being a man kinds contradicts the need to rely on someone or something else for confidence , isnt that whats so appealing about classic male archtypes you see in a an Eastwood or Arnie ?

Its about balance really..

I would not expect any one or anything to change for me - to hold one against his will his really a nasty thing to do even if you dont like the results

33
 
 
33
13:14 / 16.07.06


maybe James blunt is not the same and is smart enough to capitalise on the landscape as it were , I dont know or care .

Its hard to say but he certainly represents it through his work..

Songs that are well dare I say it unisexually appealing...

I could be way off in this assumption but I daresay it would take a certain woman to be into Skinny Puppy
as opposed to likes of a U2..

Tates reflect the individual but the individual are now so very far away..

Evidence in my words can be demonstrated in show like Big Brother..

People hooked on people who are reflection of themselves..

33
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:23 / 16.07.06
By the paranoid writer thank you for coming back and sharing your sentiments ..

I never said I wouldn't return. Nevermind though, I'll stay out of this from now on. Indeed, think the discussion you're having with Grandma looks promising and may help us all undertand eachothers feelings and viewpoints.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:27 / 16.07.06
I could be way off in this assumption but I daresay it would take a certain woman to be into Skinny Puppy
as opposed to likes of a U2..


33, a couple of questions:

1) Is English your first language?
2) Have you ever actually touched a lady under her shirt?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:37 / 16.07.06
3) or been to a Skinny Puppy (or indeed other rock/goth band) gig or a club where they get played? Funnily enough, the audience isn't all-male.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:37 / 16.07.06
Oh, and 4) are you Bruno?
 
 
Ex
13:45 / 16.07.06
Haus - are you implying 33 hasn't had sex as an insult? Contact with ladybreasts doesn't actually make people automatically more clueful. I'd prefer Barbelith to be non-judgemental about sexual activity and orientation including whether or not you're getting some waaahey.

33 - do you think blokes are naturally blokey, and left to their own devices would be more rugged and so forth? I don't really agree, and don't think it's got much to do with who you fancy, still less gay men imposing it. Chaps of all stripes get very excited about facial products and nice shirts.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:46 / 16.07.06
5) Are you high or drunk right now?

Because I've read and reread them and I just don't understand any of what 33 has said.
 
 
33
14:16 / 16.07.06
Actually i have been to some concerts not skinny puppy but I have been around

The point i was making was certain type of female not all male i.e. not so preouccupied with how others see them as opposed to someone like my sister and her friend who wants everyone to think like that blunt song.

You keep asking about my language I know its important to you or else you would not keep asking , my language is just fine .

But thanks for asking

33
 
 
33
14:22 / 16.07.06
men being men if they were left to their own devices ?

That would depend I dont think so any more because they've been so socially conditioned now they've forgotten , maybe that why all these old conan films are looked back on with such mellon collie.

Maybe thats why Steve Austin really retired ..

It takes an exceptional individual i think to break that pattern or exceptional circumstance to cause it..

For the average man this is no longer possible .

33
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:25 / 16.07.06
I get it.

Is this where we all go into the woods naked and shout abuse at our fathers?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:27 / 16.07.06
Can we?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:29 / 16.07.06
Pah. A real man wouldn't ask permission.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:38 / 16.07.06
You keep asking about my language I know its important to you or else you would not keep asking , my language is just fine .

Two things. 1: That wasn't the question. 2: No it isn't.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:50 / 16.07.06
The point i was making

To be honest, this still seems a little oblique.

I do understand your frustration with things on the clothes front, 33 - age 75, I'm far too old to have writing on my trousers, and sportswear in general is a really bad look (do I want to seem as if I'm planning a move to Florida, there to extend my useless life indefinitely, with all the other bronzed, leathery, semi-animate golfers? Well I like to think not, anyway ... maybe I'm in denial, but still ... At this kind of age you're staring death in the face, and it's impotent to stay positive, damnit.)

But I'm still not sure how this maps onto a crisis in masculinity. Fashions always have to be slightly ghastly, otherwise there'd be no reason to change them - worrying about it is a bit like thinking about Tony Parsons' literary career, or complaining when it rains.
 
 
33
14:58 / 16.07.06
Death is your best friend ..

We are not so disimiliar Alex we have both reached the end and are out of fashion ..

No nakedness comes from being honest , you can run into naked trees if you want to but i doubt they'll move .

33
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:10 / 16.07.06
We are not so disimiliar Alex we have both reached the end and are out of fashion ...

Maybe so, 33, maybe so.

But I'm still hip really though, aren't I?

Guys?

Ladies?

Anyone?

Anyone at all?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:17 / 16.07.06
Would you be seen in a black denim jacket Granny?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:19 / 16.07.06
A qualified 'no.'
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:23 / 16.07.06
Then you're hip.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:34 / 16.07.06
Yo Granny! The replacement op worked!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:29 / 16.07.06
OK, moving swiftly on to ridicule...

33 you can run into naked trees if you want to but i doubt they'll move.

If you run into small ones they will.

You're emo right now aren't you?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:35 / 16.07.06
Ex - fair point. I was intending to suggest that 33 may be suffering not from the oppression of the gays but rather from a lack of life experience that makes such statements as he is making a bit parlous.

33- with respect, you are not making much of a job of defending your position. I don't think you're going to be able to provide a remotely convincing case to defencd your position, both in terms of the strength of the arguments available and your ability to employ them. We do not generally ban people on Barbelith, because we are hippies with a belief in the improvability of human nature. If you are banned, it will no tbe because anyone has secret issues, or cannot deal with your truth. It will be because you have been such a hopeless, irremediable wanker that there is no way for you to coexist with any sort of consensus.

So, what I would very strongly recommed that you do is say sorry for having made a potentially offensive generalisation, undertake to think a bit more in future and then let this thread die. People will almost certainly give you a break, as long as you acknowledge that you made an unreasonable generalisation. If you are unable to do that, then you are unlikely to find your time on Barbelith very enjoyable.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:41 / 16.07.06
Death is your best friend ..

Emo? Dude, that's nihilism not emoism.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:06 / 16.07.06
Although...


Fellas, don't you long to be a woman?
Don't you sometimes wish you wore high heels

SING WITH ME NOW!!!
Cos if you've got a name like Florence
And you're after car insurance

ALTOGETHER!!!
YOU'LL GET A BONZER DEAL FROM SHEILA'S WHEELS!!!

D'YA KNOW WHO SAID THAT? DO YOU??? THAT WAS BUTCH MCGUIRE!!!

Ahem.

I'll, er, get me coat.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:27 / 16.07.06
Getting your coat is so last decade, dude.

All the fashionable things these days are pulling down their trousers and pants.
 
 
■
19:51 / 16.07.06
[Bad call on personal details here]
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:52 / 16.07.06
You make my pants wanna get up and dance
You make my face wanna grin
You make my knees wanna kneel and say please
Come on and kiss me again


Thus spake Dr Hook. And what music could be manlier than Country & Western? (although they did later become tainted with discodanciness, but I think the good Dr was man enough to handle it without compromising himself).
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:00 / 16.07.06
It's not so much the quality of hirs typing that's the problem, it's the quality of hirs words. Plus ze has managed to express several times quite clearly that ze is uninterested in explaining hirs views in a way that makes sense.
 
 
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20:08 / 16.07.06
cube, I don't know how good an idea it is to bring up what ze might consider private medical information in this kind of space, although I know your intentions are kind. It's also not entirely relevant— I can see that perhaps you'd like for people to be more patient with 33's writing style, but the basic problem is still hir content, not hir style. I too hope that people will stick to content when arguing, or indeed poking fun, if they're going to do so.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:11 / 16.07.06
I'm still kind of struggling with the idea that there's nothing gay about cowboys...
 
 
Char Aina
20:15 / 16.07.06
cowboys arent gay.
they're far away.
 
  

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