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BRICK OUTHOUSE: A Jack Reacher novel

 
  

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Whisky Priestess
08:17 / 07.06.07
Oh God yes.

You are going to post it here, aren't you?
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:18 / 07.06.07


I AM JACK REACHER
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:19 / 07.06.07


NO, I AM JACK REACHER!
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:20 / 07.06.07


I COULD REALLY DO WITH LAYING OFF THE PIES AND DIGGING SOME SWIMMING POOLS BEFORE PIN CASTS ME AS JACK REACHER!
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:27 / 07.06.07


I USED TO BE CUTE. WHY IS LIFE SO CRUEL? WHY ARE PIES SO GOOD?
 
 
_pin
09:49 / 07.06.07
I basically see him toughening up over the course of two or three seasons, and I basically don't ever see him having sex.

And I don't think I mentioned that in all those imaginationocam sequences, Reacher is imagining himself as all those people. He can maybe imagine the girl he's with as the hooker, but I don't really like that because I don't really believe Child when Reacher has sex. I think Child is trying to hard to be a man.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
12:44 / 07.06.07
On a TV show, think how any times we can have blurry-edged shots of Reacher having realistic acid moments and seeing all the easureents of all the things in his room, or his pancreas,

Oh that would be so best. Like in Zodiac, too, where various serial killer letters are CGIed into the interior architecture during one transition sequence, indicating a sort of... surrounding discourse.

It would be stupendous to have Reacher's actual calculations veering across the screen: approx height, weight stacking up alongside each new person he encounters; female pancreas size; coffee quality (hot/wet/strong); estimations of airplane speed and distance vs first class ticket into cost per second per meter; worth of long, dull-colored khaki jacket in terms of dollar per inch of lining related to average temperature in Atlantic City at this time of year. I would write more but I am being forced to lie down and listen to WITHOUT FAIL on audiobook. Everyone, check out Reacher on iTunes. It is a whole new Jacksperience.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
15:58 / 07.06.07
has anyone read Bad Luck yet? I thought it was pretty damn good, maybe second only to tripwire.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
16:03 / 07.06.07
Who reads the audiobook version, miss w? Somehow I don;t think it's Martin Jarvis ...
 
 
Blake Head
16:03 / 07.06.07
Waiting for the paperback. Miss w, that's an amazing idea for the film! I'd love to see that version! I can't ever see it really happening, but even if they did something approximate with a near constant internal monologue or voiceover, that would help capture more of the flavour of the books.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:21 / 07.06.07
but even if they did something approximate with a near constant internal monologue or voiceover

Martin Jarvis.
 
 
Jackie Susann
08:35 / 16.06.07
I just read One Shot, which was great, except when Reacher was happy to hear some midperiod Sheryl Crow. I mean, I don't mind him liking her music. But it bothers me that the drifter with no possessions can distinguish a minimum of three periods in her career.
 
 
toughest, fastest, fatest
02:02 / 08.07.07
I really, really want to read one of these now. I was put off by the fact my brother likes them, they sound great though and my local Sainsburys has them for 1.99!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
11:02 / 08.07.07
I got trapped in an airport for seven hours two weeks ago, and was pleased to see they had Tripwire in the airport bookstore. Spent the next six hours reading, and then the next three on an airplane punching the back of the seat in front of me and shouting "REACHERRRR!" The old lady was a little pissed, but then I gave her the book and after ten minutes she was yelling "REACHERRRR!" This stuff is VIRAL.

Seriously, I loves me some Reacher.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
11:51 / 08.07.07
I was wondering if any one else's favourite Reacher novel was also the first they read? In my case, this is true, and while Tripwire contains Reacher at his most Reacher-y, I think the real reason I liked it more than the others is becuase it was all so new, where as the later novels I've read just seem rehashed.

Child does reuse plot devices - we can see this best in One Shot and The Visitor - The idea of killing many to disguise the real motive. Also, some of the female characters are pretty interchangable - his girlfriend in Tripwire/all of the current FBI agents featured in the other novels. The repetition of characters and plots means that many of the later novels only held a few moments of pure joy while Tripwire has me grinning from begining to end.

Is this the case for anyone else?
 
 
Thorn Davis
09:51 / 06.08.07
Tripwire was the favourtie of the ones I bothered with, and was about the fourth I read. Mainly I think it's because it's got a really great villain in Hook Hobie, someone you can really wish a violent Reacher death upon. None of the others really had that for me, they just had bland Bad Men that seemed pretty interchangable. I think Tripwire is just the best - it's when he'd honed down the formula and before it got tired.

Mostly Reacher frustrates me, now. After a few of them you can really see where the elements are stitched together from Lee Child's 'Create A Reacher Book' template, and the flabby prose really starts to get tiring - like the book has to be padded out to 400 pages to make it look plane journey-worthy. I think it's One Shot, where the point about the rush hour traffic being perhaps the fastest... or slowest way to disappear out the city is re-iterated about half a dozen times in one page. Then there's the ridiculous moments where Reacher won't blurt out the truth just because it needs to create suspense, and those plot-hole covering sequences where he thinks his way into the enemy lair. After the first ten of those I can't see how anyone can continue being entertained.

I dunno. I enjoyed them to begin with, but then they just started to feel tiresome, like they stop being fun when Lee Child stops having fun writing them.
 
 
Quantum
22:39 / 29.08.07
I just started reading Reacher, wish me luck.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
16:03 / 30.08.07
You can have luck.

Reacher doesn't need it.
 
 
Quantum
18:18 / 30.08.07
Child doesn't like dialogue much, does he?
 
 
_pin
16:57 / 31.08.07
I don't really remember there being a point when I thought he sounded like he should like it, though. Surely more pressing is that he doesn't seem to like coffee, despite talking about coffee all the time.

He doesn't talk about talking. Where's the doing in talking?
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:28 / 02.09.07
The other day on my way to work, I saw a woman walking down the street, reading The Enemy as she went. I do not know why I didn't ask her to marry me right then, except I hadn't had my morning coffee yet.
 
 
Quantum
12:30 / 05.09.07
It would be stupendous to have Reacher's actual calculations veering across the screen: approx height, weight stacking up alongside each new person he encounters; female pancreas size; coffee quality (hot/wet/strong); estimations of airplane speed and distance vs first class ticket into cost per second per meter; worth of long, dull-colored khaki jacket in terms of dollar per inch of lining related to average temperature in Atlantic City at this time of year.

Like a cross between Terminator and Fight Club's apartment scene? That would rock.

I started on the one about the vice-president, and just finished Echo Burning, and I'd agree with most of what's written in this thread. I was talking to my Mum (who put me on to Jack in the first place) about the motivation,
*Spoilers for Echo Burning*


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..and near the end I was thinking there was going to be a twist and there wasn't. Reacher gets the story off the VP about the guys and the baseball bat buggery, and it seemed transparent to me he was hiding something and not telling the full story, I reckoned *he* was the one who did something horrible to the guys not his dad, which would also explain why they had such a motive to off him. I also suspected his sergeant mate was a double agent of some kind and in league with the assassins! but no. In fact the VP was telling the truth, the guys actually did have a weak motive and it turns out she's a recurring character.
I was complaining about the weak, and my mum told me to stop moaning and write something better if I was clever, which was fair comment I thought.

Reacher is a guilty pleasure for me, like pot noodle or watching sitcom repeats. Best thing is you know what you're going to get, it does exactly what it says on the Thriller cover.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:52 / 10.09.07
I've just reread The Visitor and Tripwire, a year after my magnificent SUMMER OF REACHER when I bought One Shot and then read every. Single. Novel. By Lee Child. Without cease. Without fail. They were read and understood. Asked and answered. No fault, no foul.

Revisiting a thriller, when you obviously know the plot and its twists, makes for an interesting experience, and I think it's quite a good test for these novels. My conclusions from these two ~ and perhaps tellingly, I started rereading Killing Floor as well but got sick of it after a chapter because Reacher's first person voice came across as too smug and self-satisfied; maybe it needs the third person to get some measure of ironic distance ~ my overriding conclusion is that they're really very well-written. Not just in plot terms, but in prose. Not just because they're effectively sparse and spartan, because actually they're not that extreme ~ I got this initial impression from the early pages of my first reacher, One Shot, and it may be unrepresentative ~ but they have some very striking, original, well-crafted imagery and very economical but well-chosen vocabulary.

I don't have the novels here for reference, but one thing that struck me is the way Child uses single, neat, quite unusual verbs to immediately convey the exact nature of an image or action: Reacher squeaks a mailbox closed. Harper's car noses up a road. I think I noted before the way other cars jink round corners, and Reacher dabs a phone cradle to get a dial tone.

The books are great about how it feels to drive across the USA as well ~ about US geography in general, in fact, whether it's the really big routes (how to get from Quantico to Spokane by Cessna, what it's like to fly from NYC to Hawaii and back in 24 hours, first class) or just the long drives across no-man's land, sleeping while your partner takes the wheel. The little towns you pass through, the changes in terrain and climate, the colour of the land. It captures the fatigue of travel, but also the occasional wonders along the way. When Harper and Reacher top a mountain range in The Visitor, in the middle of the night, there's a lovely description of the land lying ahead of them looking like it's... carved out of metal, I think? Or perhaps something much better than that. Reacher says something like "It's a big world out there." That book is all about the hobo demon in him that won't let him settle down, and scenes like that really sell you his reasons for wanting to keep going places he's never been; getting off buses in the middle of nowhere, and just walking.

And the details are all so authentic sounding, even if they're bullshit. When Reacher tells you the FBI must have had a year when it bought GM cars, like the army did, cycling between all the major manufacturers so as not to show a preference, and that some other vehicle, I can't remember the marque, was a drug dealer's favorite for a while, some time back, you believe it. You even believe the total crap about drinking ten gallons of water a day as the key to peak fitness. Well, you consider it before rejecting it. You feel you're learning something. I got a kind of satisfaction from working out why a bird colonel was called that, and felt I'd picked up some useful information when Reacher explained that Eisenhower, "a West Pointer all the way" (I knew what he meant, yay me!) had designed the Interstates for military transport. There's a paradoxical (?) geekiness and pedantry about these novels, seeing as they're based around a man-mountain tough guy. But then, the main appeal of Reacher is not just that he'd always protect you if someone messed with you (Because they'd be messing with him. And if they do that, they get what's coming to them. Because that would make him mad. Right.) but that he turns stuff over in his mind for hours like a clever little kid... he thinks about things, on his own, for ages. He entertains himself silently by musing on stuff. And in a way, there's almost a stereotypically feminine aspect about the way he notices people's clothes, and immediately weighs up their salary and their social class: Harper owns three suits (each carefully retailored with darts removed), which is about right for her grade; Lamarr's briefcase is cheap, her suit is dusty and her teeth haven't been fixed, which is what actually helps him crack the whole case. These observations sit quite oddly, but appealingly, with Reacher's bad-assery and no-nonsense machismo.

Though there are contradictions there ~ he notices every detail of someone's outfit, but when he goes to buy clothes himself, he cluelessly aims for the plainest, cheapest chinos in the store, and thinks Gap is called "Hole"? Similarly, he makes accurate deductions about a secretary's behaviour in Tripwire, based on some knowledge about Word documents and office gossip, but house insurance and utility bills throw him into a panic, and he doesn't even know how to clean a coffeemaker in The Visitor.

Anyway, I really enjoyed both those novels on their second run. I don't anticipate that The Hard Way would give me the same pleasure. The Enemy will be interesting, given that I found it hard to deal with the first-person narration in Killing Floor ~ and it's also fascinating to me that the first Reacher I read, uniquely, doesn't introduce him until maybe 100 pages in.

Of course, I've read them totally out of chronology. I was meeting Joe Reacher's ex girlfriend before I knew how he died, or that he died in Killing Floor; in fact, I was metting Joe in flashback before I knew he died in Killing Floor.

So, without conclusion; I may post further updates on my revisiting of Reacher, as I go along.
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I agree by the way about the anonymous, generic villains, particularly unforgiveably in Without Fail. And the re-use of the device of the mass killing meant to disguise one meaningful murder is pretty weak, too... that's the only reason I guessed the end of The Visitor ahead of time, I'm sure.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:10 / 10.09.07
I felt Child's writing of Rita Scimeca (I've never worked out how to pronounce that in my head. I was doing a kind of rhyming "Rita Smeeker" at first, but it's probably Shee-Meka or Skee-Meka?) is really quite memorable and sensitive, on this re-reading.

I first read The Visitor on a plane to Texas, after I'd been attacked and hospitalised maybe a month before. Sorry if it seems my life is ruled into different eras by that incident (to the extent that I mention it a boring lot) but actually that's how it feels still, and that's how it is for Rita, too. Rita was raped maybe four years ago, by five guys I think. Three of them got to her, because one of them ended up with two arms broken, and the other wound up with a broken pelvis. So, go Rita. But the other three got to her. And years later, we see her life, and how it's been reduced, limited. How she's imprisoned by it, still.

This active, strong woman doesn't go out much. She's learned how to play piano, and wakes up at 0600 hrs every day with a slightly sad, brave, bleak idea of how she's going to fill her day with certain etudes and exercises. She eats a square of cheese for lunch and washes the plate immediately. She's taken up gardening, too.

"Good hobbies," I think Harper says, a bit lamely. Rita points out that they're hobbies you do if you're scared of going out into the world and meeting people.

She wakes up alone at 0600 hrs because that's when reveille was every day of her military life. She sees the sky with bright streaks, like curtain rods I think. It's going to be another day like most of her days. Not good, not bad. But livable.

Now, I'm reciting this from memory. I think that's testament to how decent the writing is. I think it's a really strong depiction of that kind of life, and how you try to make the best of things and carry on alone, but it's only ever OK, really.

And this is part of my suggestion that Child's novels, at their best, are not just good, solid thrillers, at all... they're really a lot of other interesting, fascinating and sometimes haunting things, too.

This is before I get onto Reacher's best bits, the set pieces I look forward to in every book: like his ploy with the stool in the prison, in the Visitor, combining brains and brawn in a way that's pure Reacher. When I reread Echo Burning, what I'm going to be waiting for is not so much the way he deals with those farmhands with a snooker cue, but that incredible conversation afterwards: "they quit." What do you mean, they quit? Reacher replies, totally deadpan: "I guess they exercised their rights as employees in a capitalist market." (Or words to that effect.)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:27 / 11.03.09
I've read about half of 'em now. I just read Killing Floor last weekend, and, although it was awesome, I have a problem with the first-person perspective (which a friend tells me is what MAKES Persuader...)...

To me, the thing that makes Reacher likeable is his modesty. When it's from a first-person perspective, it just sounds like boasting. "Hey, they chucked me in jail, and these guys came to kill me. So I totally fucked them, and then, when I got out, GUESS WHAT??? You know that hot cop I said about before? Well, I shagged her. And then I killed a bunch more people and solved the case".
 
 
Quantum
13:33 / 16.03.09
Meh, the Reacher-ness overpowers the narrative perspective for me. Whether it's "Reacher aimed high and smacked him with a forearm smash exactly horizontal between his eyes and his hairline.*" or "I aimed high and..." is really superfluous.

Come to think of it, when I read the first person ones I just replace the word "I" with the word "Reacher" and it seems to work.


*actual random description from Tripwire, the Reacher nearest to my hand as I type this
 
 
Whisky Priestess
11:40 / 02.04.09
POTENTIAL SPOILERS










Will somebody please tell me that the killer in the visitor is not Julia bloody Lamarr, so that she can inherit her stepsister's estate? There's a line about her being next of kin on page 180 of a 500 page novel, and if cash ain't motive I don't know what is. It's like the author's assuming we've never read Agatha Christie's The ABC Murders (possibly the first hide-a-murder-in-a-spree device in crime fiction, or does anyone know of an earlier one?)

Plus, Reacher is pretty unpleasant - in a rather icky misogynist way, IMHO - about and to Lamarr, seemingly just because she's prickly and he considers her unattractive, and I can't imagine Child allowing that sort of thing through unless she's a villain (this proving that Reacher is Right all along, as per usual).

Oh Child. Please to bury your clues more deeply? I will be very happy if I'm wrong, btw.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:59 / 07.04.09
Also, she does it by hypnotising her victims. Though the means of death I'm still stymied by.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
17:55 / 07.04.09
SPOILERS, obvs, now I've finished the book.















They swallow their tongues. Huh. And indeed, gah.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:26 / 07.04.09
Fans of this thread may be interested to learn that a respected, long-term, member of the board has asked me to drop their copy of the latest Reacher off at the local Oxfam, or failing that, flush it down the toilet.

A case, perhaps, of post-modern irony wearing too thin? Well maybe, although the idea of Reacher battling it out with the overgrown crack babies and angry, rejected pets in London's sewers might make for an interesting departure for the big guy.

'There was no coffee down here, thought Reacher. And no women either. Hell.'
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
20:46 / 23.04.09
Am I the only one who buys the new book the week it comes out. Any way, I've just finished it, and rather enjoyed it. It ranks up there with the better books, The Visitor and Tripwire. And spoilers










...all I'm going to say is it's finally happened.









end of spoilers
 
 
Whisky Priestess
16:08 / 27.04.09
Someone's bested Reacher in a fight?

Reacher's come out?

Reacher jumps over a shark on a powerboat?
 
 
Whisky Priestess
16:09 / 27.04.09
NO WAIT

A lady has resisted his charms!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:39 / 28.04.09
If he eats any salad I'm throwing all my Reachers in the canal.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:17 / 29.04.09
Instead of black coffee, stronger than Superman and piping hot, in a china cup, he wanders into a Starbucks and asks for a tall skinny soya latte with chocolate syrup and nutmeg.

Right?
 
  

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