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J K Rowling voted best living British writer by The Book magazine.

 
  

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Jackie Susann
22:36 / 09.08.06
I would also ask where the concensus for a social judgment of writing quality comes from becuase here we have, what, 5 or 6 people regularly contributing to this thread and we can't even find concensus.

I never suggested there was consensus. I think I used the phrase 'social dialogue'. The idea that distinctions between 'best' and 'favourite' are social doesn't imply that the distinction is rigid, or that everyone understands the distinction to be in the same place.

Jackie is there is a clear definition betwixt best and favorite does that then mean that the people who voted for Rowling and Pratchett are wrong?

Of course it doesn't. If there is no difference does that mean that, should those people go into a bookshop looking for the new Pratchett, they will go to a different section of the shop than if they were looking for a Jane Austen? Of course it doesn't.

Pizza or curry which tastes better?

The analogy doesn't work because they're both fast food. A better analogy might be, is the food better at your local pizza store or a fancy gourmet restaurant in the city? (For the purposes of the analogy, I am going to assume that the gourmet tucker isn't any healthier than the pizza. Okay?) Now, you will clearly find a lot of people who prefer the pizza shop - for a combination of reasons (mainly economic, but also a simple taste preference, not having the kind of educated palate that can appreciate gourmet flavours, and straight-up never having tried gourmet food).

That doesn't mean they would insist there is no real difference between pizza and foie gras, though. And most people, I think, can easily see that the difference is largely social - i.e., less a matter of the inherent qualities of the food than the baggage built up around it.
 
 
Quantum
16:48 / 10.08.06
I still say that you can tell the difference between a well-cooked pizza and a badly-cooked pizza, social conditioning notwithstanding. Even if you don't like pizza.
 
 
Jackie Susann
22:12 / 10.08.06
So? I still say you can find people who prefer the pizza at the Dominos around the corner to the gourmet pizza shop at Haberfield, and if you think that distinction is *purely* subjective and has nothing social about it, I think you are just being obtuse.
 
 
matthew.
04:34 / 11.08.06
Is JK Rowling a Dominos? Or is she a Subway sandwich. I'm confused. Can we just agree that Rowling isn't the greatest living writer and move on? This is making me hungry.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
09:43 / 11.08.06
"I still say that you can tell the difference between a well-cooked pizza and a badly-cooked pizza, social conditioning notwithstanding. Even if you don't like pizza."

Though apparently you'd be unable to justify it and if anyone disagreed with you they'd be wrong, just because.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:50 / 11.08.06
Well, the level of debate here is really encouraging me to dive back in.

Now, Jackie has defined his impression of how the appreciation of a book is socially constructed. Anyone have any actual thoughts on that?
 
 
Quantum
10:28 / 11.08.06
Going back to this, the social baggage constructed around literature is indeed arbitrary and elitist, and seperate from the different ways of appreciating text we might experience. This sort of debate is all a bit bricks-in-the-Tate though, isn't it?
 
 
Quantum
10:36 / 11.08.06
Oh and Reid, by providing a description of Pizza I am not making Wikipedia the arbiter of what is good pizza. Do you see?
I don't think there's anything to be gained by us (you and me) continuing this discussion, so feel free to have the last word and then let's put each other on Ignore. I think it's for the best, don't you?
 
  

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