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Are we making joining Barbelith seem harder than it is?

 
  

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Char Aina
10:23 / 09.06.06
this was about you, however.
i was joining in with your joke, and trying to 'move forward', etc by playing banter games.

i will have it deleted if you like, along with this post.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:52 / 09.06.06
You know, the "How to make people feel more censored" thread is absolutely made for this kind of thing...

For future reference, though - Toks, as I mentioned in a thread in Music recently, if you're going to be rude to people, don't dissemble about whether your intention was to be rude to them afterwards.
 
 
Char Aina
10:54 / 09.06.06
why the shuddering fuck not?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:58 / 09.06.06
It says in my notes that it "hampers efforts towards truth and reconciliation". Obviously, this is normally my objective, but nonetheless.
 
 
Char Aina
11:11 / 09.06.06
okay, as the threadrot stretches out...

i dont get it.
i was making fun, and i am aware that making fun can be seen as an attack.
i was stating a willingness to remove said fun if it was deemed necessary, mindful as i am of the history flyboy and i share. i did so in thread, as flyboy has repeatedly stated he doesnt like PMs for this kind of thing.

what's wrong with that?
 
 
■
11:29 / 09.06.06
(not...’s Barbelith name was given in that TMO thread)

Ah, you're right. Took me a while to work out the interface.
[Puts on cock-muppet hat]
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:42 / 09.06.06
Lord of moonpiss. Will all of you just SHUT UP???!!!? Take your bitching to conversation where it frankly belongs and stop treating a newbie like he's the curse of the flourescent pink antler when all he's done is use a name that might not even be real. I'm gonna get this crying fakebaby on Big Brother right now and staple it to your faces.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:28 / 09.06.06
Oh blimey. Um. Yes, it is usually really bad form to use someone's real name like that.

I personally don't mind having my first name revealed, because it's a relatively common first name and it's not like I'm ever likely to occupy a position where the kind of stuff I bang on about on the 'Lith could be used to make things uncomfortable for me.

However this is certainly not true of everybody. We have had some nasty incidents of stalking related to this board, with POWERWORD IRL NAME!!! being lobbed around as either a veiled or explicit threat.

In fact, I was aware of not.../Johnny Nobody's post over on TMO when I approved him for membership, it just didn't occur to me to say anything at the time. So this is kind of my fault too. So, uh. Oops. Sorry, everyone.
 
 
Johnny Nobody
13:51 / 09.06.06
Would be interesting to know how many Barbeloids (is that right?) are TMO lurkers. Seems like there are a few I wasn't aware of.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:03 / 09.06.06
I've posted there a few times... tried to the other day, actually, but it seems I can't remember my sodding password- I think it's still saved on my work PC, so I may try again.
 
 
Smoothly
14:08 / 09.06.06
Yeah, I registered during the great TMO-Barbelith exchange a year or so again. But I'm not very good at remembering passwords either.
I still occassionally browse there. It's a good board I think.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:09 / 09.06.06
I'm a TMO lurker but I can never get the hang of the throwaway posting style. I registered last year so that I could talk to Ganesh about Big Brother during the Great Barbelith Eviction but have been reading for longer than that.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:17 / 09.06.06
I registered a year ago and was bad. Now I am being good. Kind of.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:44 / 09.06.06
I think I posted about once. Stillgot a login knocking around somewhere.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:54 / 09.06.06
Wow, what an odd thread that's become. Someone's even written a little story about me. Fanfic, w00t!
 
 
FinderWolf
16:39 / 09.06.06
>> the curse of the flourescent pink antler

I love this phrase. And at first millisecond, I glanced at it and thought it read "The Curse of the Flourescent Pink Panther." (should be the high-quality sequel to the extremely-low-quality recent Steve Martin Pink Panther movie) That is all.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:24 / 10.06.06
Is this a good time to remind everyone that I'm really called Bernard, and I look like The Rock?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:29 / 10.06.06
Some of us need no reminder.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:49 / 10.06.06
And that's precisely why I'm always telling you to cut your hair and put on a business suit Bernard. We are all so sick of you flaunting you bare chest on the streets of sunny Florida.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:52 / 10.06.06
Pfft. Just because you have to wax or your medallion gets rootbound.
 
 
Ganesh
00:56 / 10.06.06
June is, it would appear, busting out all over.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:17 / 10.06.06
What? June Sarpong of T4 presenting fame? I hadn't noticed her busting out.
 
 
Ganesh
01:20 / 10.06.06
Let's hope the fuck not.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
04:29 / 10.06.06
Just popping by to apologize to Johnny Nobody for saying he looked like a piss-take.
 
 
Tom Coates
18:39 / 11.06.06
Just so people remember, the reason we don't distribute more information about other people than they'd explicitly like is because we can't tell what information might or might not be sensitive about other people. For example, some members of the board might talk about where they live roughly, then what they do for a living. It's only the point where you know their first name that someone with an axe to grind decides to start ringing up their employers. This has - I believe - happened on the board in the past. Also, it's generally accepted that putting e-mails in public, unless they're from an institution who are giving a kind of formal response, is generally pretty bad form, because it's understood as private one-to-one communication.

In Barbelith terms, slipping up and putting up information by accident is not considered a terrible sin, but not being prepared to change your post to get rid of that information is. Doing it with intent, is another matter. In this case, obviously, it was just a bit of an error and so no harm done. More generally I'd just like to remind people to keep other people's information up to those other people to open up.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:43 / 11.06.06
The general point certainly stands but this specifically wasn't a problem. The only information revealed was the first name of one of many barbelith checkers. No email address or other personal information was given and the email posted on the other board was a standard response that anyone could have written. As such I don't think there was anything to be worried about.
 
 
Char Aina
03:10 / 12.06.06
i disagree.
it may well have been enough information to track someone, and that isnt even the point.

moonpiss, etc. notwithstanding, i think expecting a certain level of freedom from exposure is fair.
if it had been my name i would have been most upset. i will be using my real name a lot less in any board emails or PMs from now on with people who have not made it clear they agree about it being NotCool.
i also feel like i should explicitly state that i dont want any of you who already have it to share my information publicly.

this includes in real and online life, to both people i do or do not know.
 
 
Smoothly
09:51 / 12.06.06
Sure. And I assume you don't append your real name (or any other information you consider compromising) on the applicant response emails. But different people have different levels of comfort with this stuff.

Also, it's generally accepted that putting e-mails in public, unless they're from an institution who are giving a kind of formal response, is generally pretty bad form, because it's understood as private one-to-one communication.

Personally, I've always viewed the form emails I've sent to applicants as a formal response. Although I do tend to sign off with my real name, I make it clear that I'm writing in some kind of official capacity on behalf of the Barbelith community. It's not personal.

I think it's hugely important that we treat the emails from applicants as confidential (because the nature of the application procedure requires them to disclose identifying information), but that's not necessarily a two-way street. So although I think Johnny's inclusion of the name at the bottom of the email was perhaps imprudent, I think he can be forgiven for thinking that the body of the email was reproducible in a thread about the Barbelith application procedure. I thought the initial couple of responses in this thread were a vast over-reaction.
 
 
Johnny Nobody
09:53 / 12.06.06
To prevent any future "exposure of personal details" I would suggest putting a generic sign off on the email eg. love from the Barbelith admin team. Problem solved.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:16 / 12.06.06
it may well have been enough information to track someone

A first name isn't enough to track someone unless they or someone else has revealed information about hirself on the actual message board. You would need something to compare it to and it would have to be something that wasn't too obscure.
 
 
Triplets
17:06 / 12.06.06
You may want to tell new members they're allowed to put spaces in their usernames.
 
 
Quantum
18:20 / 12.06.06
Are we making Barbelith seem harder to join than it is? Johnny Nobody (hello there! welcome!) wrote;

I wouldn't fit the criteria as I don't have a degree or anything. I got the impression you only accepted people who had specialist subject knowledge

and that would seem to indicate that yes, some people get the impression there's a test and a minimum requirement for entry. Hah! If only they knew!
 
 
Char Aina
18:49 / 12.06.06
To prevent any future "exposure of personal details" I would suggest putting a generic sign off on the email eg. love from the Barbelith admin team. Problem solved.

indeed.
if i were still able to devote any time to the applications process then i would be setting up a new email address and being a whole lot less 'human' in my emails from now on.
i am probably quite identifiable to those few whom i have checked, and i now see that any breach of privacy that results will be my own fault.

lesson learned, parameters reset, etc.


A first name isn't enough ...

maybe you arent as good a stalker as me.
if you want this argument, have it with someone else or somewhere else. i dont see the need, nor do i feel it is in any way helpful.

please?
 
 
Dutch
00:33 / 28.11.06
hmmm...

just a little post from a newbie. I didn't think the process was at all difficult or annoyingly time-consuming. I believe it was only a few weeks after I sent my e-mail, I got a reply saying I was "in", sort-of.

Though I can imagine it being quite irritating having to wait a long period of time before being allowed to join, the standard of posting on these boards is pretty impressive (dauntingly so, sometimes), it would be a shame to let that all go to waste in a flurry of one-liner posting, which is the standard on most boards I 've been a poster on.

The one thing that might seem to make this board inaccessible is the fact that there's such a huge backlog of valuable discussion-material already posted, one could feel their voice is adding to mere background noise instead of music. I don't know if this is true for other newbies in present or past, but I've noticed that I often intend to write a reply, check it, recheck it, than forego posting because I fear the things that come to mind have already been said and a lot better.
 
 
Polossatik
17:21 / 21.12.06
Just a little thing: might be nice to add that you can register here with a "free" acount if you pass the "screening"...
I just provided my work email (big company name stuff) as "verification" that i exist and then asked to use my "free" personal account for the registration.
But i did hesitated a bit to apply because it was not clear this was possible and i try to keep work and personal stuff separated...

And yes, the amount of info as "newby" is overwhelming but hey, it's bout new idea's/point of views etc...
so even if you repeat something... that's life..
 
  

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