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Are we making joining Barbelith seem harder than it is?

 
  

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FinderWolf
15:19 / 08.06.06
just read Anna's post and that makes sense...maybe the wiki wording could be changed so it doesn't read as 'please don't try to contact us if all you have is a free email address and you don't already write/post elsewhere.' Maybe something more like 'please understand that if all you have is a 'free' email address and you do not have a blog, site, column or post elsewhere, your application will likely take a long time, since we're trying to get a sense of whether an applicant might be a disruptive presence and we naturally give precedence to people who have examples of their behavior/conduct/postings already online.'
 
 
Smoothly
15:37 / 08.06.06
So what exactly is the 'interview' process? Is it a screening, Q&A via email...? How do you glean in an emai or two if someone will be obnoxious or not?

Because this is a persistent misapprehension, it’s worth pointing out that there is no ‘*interview* process’, Basically, if we can make a connection between the email address used and some kind of tangible something (a business, institution, established web presence etc) you’re in – regardless of whether we think you’re obnoxious. That sometimes requires a couple of emails, because not every application contains all the info we need.

It’s regrettable that theoretically some potentially valuable people are going to be kept out because they can't provide us with some kind of cross-reference to demonstrate that they are who they say they are, but that’s unavoidable if we want to keep out people who are *not* who they say they are (eg. one of our regular trolls). If anyone can think of a better system that will be less exclusive, I’d be keen to hear it.

I’m not sure that the wording in the wiki is wrong. I think we may have allowed people through on the basis of an extended and compelling email exchange, although personally I’m not entirely happy about doing that. It smacks too much of thinking with your gut. I think we should try to be rigorous and consistent with the rules – I don’t think it should be about how persistent you are, and whether a checker has a ‘good feeling’ about you.

But FinderWolf, if you can vouch for this friend of yours, that can short-circuit the process. PM one of us with hir email address and we’ll add it to the list.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:53 / 08.06.06
Also worth noting that, as Anna says, I don't think anyone finds this ideal. Nobody's yet come up with a better idea, though. Maybe we should all get our thinking caps on again.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:13 / 08.06.06
ahh, ok...Stevely's post here made clear the final things/bits I wasn't clear on.

I don't even know if my friend is interested at this point, just wanted to learn about the process in case she is. Thanks for the info. and discussion, though...I understand the process a lot more now.
 
 
grant
18:24 / 08.06.06
Added this:
Note: there is no "interview process" for membership to the message board. Basically, if we can make a connection between the email address used and some kind of tangible something (a business, institution, established web presence etc) you’re in – regardless of whether we think you’re obnoxious. That sometimes requires a couple of emails, because not every application contains all the info we need.

to the wiki, because I thought it clarified things nicely.

Is that OK?
 
 
Smoothly
18:38 / 08.06.06
OK by me.
 
 
Ganesh
19:03 / 08.06.06
An applicant speaks.
 
 
■
22:03 / 08.06.06
Nice one, Johnny Nobody. Before you even join you give away online some RL details of a member to another board. Woo. Any reason we should think you'll do any better once you join? Thought not. Anyone mind if we block this application?
 
 
Char Aina
22:17 / 08.06.06
i was considering posting much the same thing.
if the dolt can't understand the difference between private and public communication, i'm not sure we should be letting them have access to more of our sensitive information.

i for one love freedom, etc, but would gladly see those who shit on the reasonable privacy of other guantanamised indefinitely.

ze gave you hir name, not the world, you cock muppet.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:45 / 08.06.06
All that's been revealed is that one of our checkers is called Clare and that Clare wrote a few standard emails to someone.
 
 
Smoothly
00:03 / 09.06.06
Apparently Barbeloids are "famous for their beatdowns... or slap-ups", but I think Johnny is the first member to get one before he's said anything.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
00:44 / 09.06.06
Guy looks like a piss-taker.
 
 
Smoothly
00:52 / 09.06.06
Let's not prejudge, eh?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
05:54 / 09.06.06
Ah, I might be wrong actually. We'll see.
 
 
Char Aina
06:13 / 09.06.06
i wouldnt be happy with it if i was the named person.

it's over the line, however shallow into the wrongness it goes.
 
 
Char Aina
06:48 / 09.06.06
does anyone with a moon online account want to PM the dude and ask him to delete the name, perhaps substituting it for an apology?
 
 
■
07:12 / 09.06.06
Well, whatever his motives he's made it far less likely for me to ever again check someone with a free email address. By using our email addresses to contact an applicant, we're extending a trust we hope will be reciprocated. I'm still dealing with low-level harrassment from one prat from about three months ago. I felt there was a sneering tone to his TMO thread along the lines of: "I've applied without telling anyone who I am but look, haha, they tell you who they are, the fools!".
As usual, I'd like to be proved wrong.
 
 
Johnny Nobody
07:57 / 09.06.06
H-hello...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:14 / 09.06.06
For fuck's sake, Cube, toksik, I thought I was supposed to be the bitchy newbie-hating Nazi. Did either of you try to contact not.../Johnny Nobody to ask him to edit the post (as he has now done)?
 
 
Char Aina
08:17 / 09.06.06
i did ask folks to a few posts up.
i have never been a member of the moon online, and so i felt it wouldnt sit well coming from me.
i wasnt named in the post and i'm not known over there, y'know?

and dude, i dont hate newbs.
if you took it upon yourself to post my real name online i would feel the same, likewise for anyone.

it's just not cool.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:20 / 09.06.06
Right, so... happy ending? Unfortunate misunderstanding corrected, all well? Welcome aboard, Johnny Nobody, come have a lovely great huggle?
 
 
Char Aina
08:21 / 09.06.06
I thought I was supposed to be the bitchy newbie-hating Nazi.

no, no, no.
the grafitti says you hate everybody you dont want to impress.
covers the newbs, i guess...
 
 
Johnny Nobody
08:23 / 09.06.06
Well I edited out the name. I didn't think it would be a problem as there was no other information there to link the name to (email address/phone number/credit card information etc). I can however relate to the need for privacy on the internet - hence my use of a free email account. My bad. Sorry to anyone I may have offended and especially sorry to XXX.

On topic: I didn't actually expect to get into Barbelith. I have read it a few times in the past and looked into applying, but thought I wouldn't fit the criteria as I don't have a degree or anything. I got the impression you only accepted people who had specialist subject knowledge or who had personal recommendations from other posters. I think I got this idea in my head from some wording you had on the site maybe a year ago.

The thread I started on TMO (which was of very little interest to anyone on there anyhow) was designed I suppose to provoke a small reaction amongst the posters there. Recently TMO has gone through some really low patches, regular posters have been dropping like flies. There's been less and less contributions on a board which was once a pretty vibrant community.

Annnnnyhow, I didn't wish to come here and start a board war, act like a troll or be a cocky twat. I hate it when people who have experience of Bulletin Boards get on a new board and expect the same level of respect and recognition that they are used to on their usual board. Looking at the thread on TMO I can see it does look kind of sneery. Apologies.
 
 
Char Aina
08:26 / 09.06.06
sneery, yes.
breach of privacy, yes.
board war?
nah.

your apology and removal of the name would suit me, and i appreciate your taking the time to address it here.

welcome to the barbelith massive, holmes.
 
 
Johnny Nobody
08:28 / 09.06.06
What a great way to start huh?
 
 
■
08:31 / 09.06.06
The reason I didn't get in touch is that I had no desire to risk getting my name up there as well. There was no way of knowing who he was here, so I would have had to email him.
Anyway, hackles down now. Welcome in, pull up a French fancy. Thanks for explaining.
I still think I'm going to have to get myself a gmail account or something solely for doing the applications, though. Just in case.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:32 / 09.06.06
Well, Barbelith is more diverse than it might seem to certain external perceptions - piss off one or two people and you'll automatically endear yourself to others. It's just like the Big Brother house in that respect, he said as he whispered sweet nothings to a caterpillar perched on his finger.
 
 
Smoothly
09:04 / 09.06.06
breach of privacy, yes.

Is it? Would it be a breach of privacy to reveal, here and now, that there is someone on Barbelith called Steve?

Credit to Johnny for editing the TMO thread and apologising, but I think it behooves us to be more circumspect about assuming negative intent and make more of an effort to check the facts before calling brand new members ‘cock muppets’ in The Policy. (not...’s Barbelith name was given in that TMO thread).

Can we now put all this behind us, and play Spin The Bottle or something?

(Apologies for using the word ‘behooves’.)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:15 / 09.06.06
The reason I didn't get in touch is that I had no desire to risk getting my name up there as well.

Am I misunderstanding things, or are you not one of the checkers, cube? You had no hesitation is asking if "we" could block the guy's application, after all...
 
 
Char Aina
09:40 / 09.06.06
Would it be a breach of privacy to reveal, here and now, that there is someone on Barbelith called Steve?

depends.
if steve has revealed his name on the board, no.
if that steve is you, no.
if there is no way of linking steve to the reveal, such as by checking against a list of those checking emails and doing some sniffing, then no.

dude, if not... were a company he would be in breach of data protection, for using personal information in a manner for which it was not supplied.
it's not cool, and i'm glad he agrees.

i'm surprised you dont, to be honest.

i'll admit cock muppet was born in the hell fires of what-the-fuck rather than on the ice plains of reason, but other than that i think my reaction was appropriate.
 
 
Char Aina
09:42 / 09.06.06
negative intent
i'm not sure that comes into it.
if you reveal my personal details without my permission i would be dissapointed. it wouldnt matter why.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:46 / 09.06.06
And "guantanamised indefinitely" - was that appropriate as well?
 
 
Char Aina
10:00 / 09.06.06
if folks do that shit unapologetically , i would be less inclined to want them to have all their freedom, yes.

gantanamo... maybe not so much.

i apologise for any fear or unease i may have caused in any of our new members.

while i feel strongly about such things, i was being hyperbolic and, as such, not representing my own feelings fairly.

if you read my text messages without permission i will stab you in the face, though.

(face knives are okay, right? everybody knows they're hyperbolic and for emphasis, right?)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:08 / 09.06.06
Oh, toksik. If you have something to say about me, why not come out and say it?
 
 
Char Aina
10:19 / 09.06.06
dude, it's not really about you.

i gave a nod to hyperbole used before by others, notably by you, sure, but i did that mostly to make sure folks didnt get the impression i really wanted to stab anyone in the face.

if i leave that last line off it makes it look like i might be serious, and i wanted to make sure anyone reading was able to tell i was not actually likely to stab anyone, no matter how often i say it.

in real life it's usually ass stabbing or neck stabbing.
on here i think face knives have more currency.

if you tell me how you feel i shat on your picnic on this occasion i will gladly address it. can we do it elsewhere, though?
 
  

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