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Mr Tricks
23:13 / 28.04.06
Perhaps she forges the quarvat* (sp?)? Maybe she marries into the Knight family...

Wow, that's great... the end of her arch could have her continue journeying back in time where (when?) she would encounter a young (pre starman) Ted Knight.

it was tough for me to pair it down to 7. Over the course of the series I'd almost want to have a sort of rotating 8th member helping out as appropiate.

Aquaman perhaps.

Batman would eventually find out and demand to have one of his people placed as a member (to keep an eye on 'em). Perhaps Batgirl, if she's alive.
 
 
Aertho
23:16 / 28.04.06
I've an idea, but it means 21 members and a tiered system involving an armada of invisible jets using boom tubes, a JLA satellite in geosynchronous orbit over Gotham, and Superman using the codename Bishop One.
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:18 / 28.04.06
Sounds like it's time for an Ultimatize your DC comic thread.
 
 
Aertho
23:20 / 28.04.06
Let's just keep it here. These creative threads are great fun, but I feel bad I never joined sleaze's V for Vendetta reading group, much less bought Marjane Satrapi's work.
 
 
LDones
23:39 / 28.04.06
Jake Jordan cries out for JLA membership. I'm thinking he and Zatanna on a JLA of 7, with the return of post-Hourman filthy-rich slacker Snapper Carr, but more on that later.


I want to hear more about Bishop-One and the fleet of boom tube powered invisible jets.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
00:09 / 29.04.06
I concur, I have some crazy ideas, but I'm not sure I want to pin them down to just 7 team members.
 
 
Aertho
00:51 / 29.04.06
Well, the whole thing is what if Barbara and J'onn and Bruce decided to come to an agreement about how the JLA really delegates crimefighting, with the understanding that things tend to escalate while other things tend to be overlooked.

So they do the Stormwatch/X-Men thing and build JLA:RED, JLA:BLUE, and JLA:GOLD, which begins to resemble that time when each Leaguer built a League to fit his or her "A". (Amazons, Aliens, Arkham, Atlantis...)

First off is my thought that you should never ever put Superman on Monitor Duty. He's sitting there, supposed to be delegating to others, when it'd be faster for him to zip over to Texas and prevent that building from falling on Jaime Reyes. That's what JLA:RED is all about. Composed of seven telepahtically linked agents, called "Bishops", these Leaguers are required to be super-strong, super-resilient, super-fast, fly, have some form of ranged energy power, and able to work alone.


Choosing Bishop One was easy.


So was Bishop Two.

But who else could help these two save the world, criss-crossing the planet, righting wrongs, fixing disasters, etc? They call family.


Meet Bishop Three.

The next four don't have residence in the general sense. It was Bruce's suggestion that those with cities under their protection should stay in those cities, and let others shoulder the burden. Meanwhile, he and Clark manage to swing it, eliciting mumblings from Star City and Keystone.


Fresh from space, Bishop Four.


Built faster, better, stronger, and around an air elemental to boot! Bishop Five.


Lost in continuity, and given another chance at hero work, Breach becomes the new Bishop Six. He's stoked.


Bishop Seven won his position over several others, all of whom wait for him to piss J'onn off or something. Either that, or for Reddy to fall apart again.

So basically, that's JLA:RED, a team of fairly independant operatives that come together if need be. Otherwise, they're in route from one crisis to the next.
 
 
Aertho
01:10 / 29.04.06
JLA:BLUE is a bit more interesting, in that it's essentially Stormwatch Black, doing covert operations, standard hero interventions, and coordinating on a grand scale. They work fairly closely with JLA:RED, and request firepower when necessary.

But mostly, BLUE team works in the new JLA Satellite, orbitting over Gotham. See, Bruce thinks Gotham's a bit overflowing with heroes, so he sends the ones he can use on a grander scale into space.

So there's Bruce Wayne acting as commanding tactician, switching Gotham and Earthwide duties with Nightwing. Either act as leaders of BLUE, which makes Nightwing a secret 22nd member I guess.


Bruce gathers the best minds he can for strategic League work, and that means transplanting Steel from Metropolis to Gotham. Shades of Kingdom Come...


Bruce also gets the Question to work upstairs.


And that means he's gonna need some more bat-certified muscle.


He also gets an Arrow Family member on loan, the most global-centric one.


While also tapping old professionals that work with street level sensibilities and ridiculously under-explored superpower potential.


And getting his own Green Lantern to work with.


It's pretty much the Brother Eye takedown squad, trimmed of the fat, and meant to fight surgically.
 
 
Aertho
01:27 / 29.04.06
JLA:GOLD is Wonder Woman's atomic warfare mucho destructo when-fights-become-war squadron. She's busy within the Pentagon most days, so when her JLA beeper goes off, it means Khandaq is invading, or the aliens are coming, or we need help sister so get pissed and get your ass over here.

Diana takes over as commander in cheif in these hostile incursions, and leads a team of righteous defenders and warriors. From Paradise dimension, she summons invisible fighter jets that can either attack large scale enemies, or transport innocents to safety.

Meanwhile, Diana handles the front lines while her allies assist.

Those summoned include the New Genesis Warriors Three, who are specifically trained for righteous battle and supreme conflict.




Diana requires a speedster emmissary to locate the source of the problem, so she's recruited Jesse Quick.


If all else fails, GOLD as a Deus Ex Machina at their disposal.


Also under Diana's leadership is the Lord of Order, Nabu.
 
 
Aertho
01:32 / 29.04.06
I still like SuperSexy JLA-dies better. More fun to write. More fun to read.
 
 
LDones
02:26 / 29.04.06
It's interesting how there's this subconscious urge in the DCU and in fans to move Steel over to Team Batman. I've always gotten that vibe. Batman organized teams are such fun to dream up.
 
 
Mario
02:26 / 29.04.06
Not a bad idea, although the boundary between JLA: Red & JLA: Gold is a little blurry. But then again, I had similar problems with Stormwatch: Red & Stormwatch: Prime.

I guess nobody liked my "corporate JLA" idea? *shrug* they can't all be winners.
 
 
Aertho
02:39 / 29.04.06
Aksherly, Mario, your idea is kind of what fed into mine... I just thought your setup had them wearing suits too much, and I wanted to see Bishop agents zigzagging over the globe while Diana's warships brought the pain.

I can see Batman's redundant players actually working pretty well together, and the Bishops to have a kind of comeraderie as well. Diana's team needs to be all about colossal superwarfare and overwhelming force brought to bear on an enemy... So Diana can swoop in and negotiate a ceasefire while punishing the wicked.

I really don't like her team... I like the idea of thousands of invisible warplanes, and the New Gods rolling in like mythological thunder, but Nabu, Jesse and Zee just don't work for me... Maybe instead I pick Swamp Thing or Spectre? Screw it. I'd prefer just the New Gods 3 as JLA cleanup actually.
 
 
Mario
03:02 / 29.04.06
Yeah, I saw some similarities, but I didn't want to sound like I was hijacking your idea.

There would be a certain amount of bureaucracy, but I could see civilians handling most of the paperwork, much like in the JLI or Themiscyrian embassy days.

As for heavy hitters... you really need folks that can follow orders (otherwise I'd suggest Lobo). Perhaps a different approach would work better. Make JLA: Gold consist of 4 field commanders, under WW's direct command.

1. Aquaman, liason for the forces of Atlantis
2. Adam Strange, ditto for Rann.
3. Kilowog, for the GLC.
4. And Zauriel, for the Pax Dei.

If things get REALLY desperate, then call Orion. And get out of his way.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
03:09 / 29.04.06
Cassandra, I would like to add Mr. Terrific to team Blue.
 
 
Mario
04:08 / 29.04.06
I think I have the perfect JLA: Gold lineup.

In command, as before: Wonder Woman.

Next, a man with millenia of combat experience, and the heart of a warrior: Hawkman.

Third, one of the few superheroes with actual military experience, and a powerhouse in his own right: Captain Atom.

They will be assisted by two neophyte heroes, who have plenty of power, but lack experience: Damage and Firestorm.

And finally, the Odd Couple of JLA: Gold. Two wildcards, with plenty of power, plenty of arrogance, and diametrically opposed personalities: Black Adam... and Etrigan.

(Really, I just want to see a team with those two on it. )
 
 
miss wonderstarr
07:36 / 29.04.06
I see the usual squad have found this thread so I'm going to get in my JLA All-Human notes before it feels like an exclusive clubhouse. (With dolls!)

Batman: Born in 1957 and starting to both feel his age, physically, and stubbornly fight against it ~ a little like DKR Batman without the ten years off work. He's training harder, pushing himself more, but feeling the strain and his limits. Batman is a brilliant strategist, organiser and planner. He knows his allies' and enemies' weak spots, and also their strengths. In this team he is a manager, a leader and commander. All he really lacks in that respect are the people skills: and during the series his personal arc is partly about learning negotiation, diplomacy, how to bring out someone's best side.

Nightwing: If Batman and Nightwing were actors in this JLA movie my direction would be to play it as if they were ex-boyfriends, as if they'd had a loving, intimate relationship maybe ten years before. As if. This isn't The Authority where the characters are actually and explicitly gay ~ I would just want that vibe from those two, that they shared a great deal, became very close and then became distant. So Batman and Nightwing have little moments of connection that nobody else gets ~ secret jokes, an exchanged look, a shared memory ~ but when they argue it's more loaded, more vicious, because of the history.


Black Canary: has to be built from scratch I think because I've never seen her done as an interesting character.

Green Arrow: Same age as Batman, and within this continuity they were both on the streets first in about 1977, as 19-20 year old novices. We could even have some flashback panels drawn in Adams style. They too have a shared history that goes back even longer than Batman's with Dick Grayson (because 1977 was Year One, here) and they've seen the world change dramatically while they've been active crimefighters. Because he's not the leader, Oliver Queen has the luxury here of coming over as an uncompromising idealist, and can accuse Batman of selling out the values he used to hold whenever Batman has to broker some unpleasant but necessary deal (like in GM's JLA, buying the Mirror Master from Luther's team).

The Question: Again, plays off against Batman as a similar but quite distinct persona. Question is, like Ollie, far more of a "street" character than Batman's become. Bruce has been hanging out with cosmic heroes and villains, while Question had never seen a teleporter, never been anywhere near the Moon. He resents being pulled from his patch to these sterile Watchtower corridors. Out of his depth even more than Batman (his gadgets and martial arts skills are a couple of levels below the Dark Knight), all he can do to keep his own dignity is be the best detective on the team ~ a better detective than Batman.

Huntress: Here the challenge would be to have a Christian character whose faith was neither a gimmick (always going on about it, praying fussily before every battle), overly-pious or laughable, but an integral part of who she is and something she'd made consistent with her crime-fighting. It would be interesting to have a team member who was pro-family, "traditional" and conservative in her morals(distrusts liberal Ollie, uncomfortable with any potential gay vibe she picks up from Nightwing and Batman) but who remains sympathetic or at least comprehensible. It would be her uncompromising, old-fashioned values that lead to an affinity and bond with The Question.

The Spirit: I don't know how they're bringing the Spirit back, but my idea here would be that he looks pretty much like the Question, but is far more relaxed, fluid, light, jokey. He's a street character too, one who gets his information through banter, not Rorschachian menace (as Batman also would). He knows all the shoe-shiners, the bartenders, the hotel owners in his patch of New York, and he's considered one of them. His most obvious buddy here would be Ollie, and he can't dig why the Question's so uptight. He's Jewish, which again would be worked into who he is, without seeming gimmicky.
 
 
Spaniel
08:05 / 29.04.06
I'm loving yout team, Wonderstar, particularly your take on the Huntress and the Question, and your inclusion of the Spirit - I'd really like to read the comic. Any story arc ideas?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:36 / 29.04.06
Thanks Boboss! The prelude was above, about why and how this team has to come together. Apart from that... not yet. I kind of think it might be character-disaster to have all these interesting humans and keep them on the Moon, so perhaps it should go down to city level as soon as possible. It should be a detective story, like Watchmen and Twilight, and I suppose Hush. Perhaps it could be about aliens among us, with Pale Martian shapeshifters (perhaps they could have overcome that stupid evolutionary flaw about fire, by now).

Actually I wonder if it would be pushing it to set the story across big cities like Washington DC, Metropolis minus Superman, San Francisco (an interesting location for Ollie, Helena, Spirit, Question and Batman) Gotham (maybe with Nighwing as the big gun, to see how he manages it) and NYC (if it's true the DCU has a NYC) and make it work on one level as a metaphor for "Otherness", for a post-9/11 paranoia about the ethnic "alien" who may be part of a (cosmic) terrorist cell and can disguise hirself to look just like one of us. Ollie's leftist politics, Question's moral rigidity, Huntress' traditional conservative values, the close, once-loving relationship between Batman and Nightwing, possibly issues of Spirit's Jewishness, could all come into play in interesting ways in a story about racial aliens "passing" in American cities.

So, um, yeah, some ideas while writing that. It would be a very specific kind of DCU story, human-based and urban, about America rather than outer space, about relationships and group dynamics as much as detection and combat, with the aliens themselves disguised within human culture.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:29 / 29.04.06
Just want to add my head-nod to Wonderstarr's JLA. Fab.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:50 / 29.04.06
Thanks very much; just come back to add my artist. I think Gibbons would be great at the detail of American cities and street-level detection, and Yeowell circa Zenith III would always be my dream collaborator, but I am seeing this project more as a 6-issue miniseries painted by the meaty, funky Daniel Brereton.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:55 / 29.04.06
NB. I'd also hope that this project would be a vehicle for some ideas about the complexity of "white" identity, which is normally treated as natural, common-sense and invisble, through this all-white but politically, ethnically, religiously diverse team, and crucially, through the Pale Martians ~ also "White" and part of an ethnic war against the Green tribe, and also invisible/shapeshifting and so "naturalised".

Done properly, these issues would emerge from story and narrative, and not seem like shoehorned-in theory.
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:41 / 29.04.06
I'd like to remove Mr Miricle and Big Barda from my line up, and let Ted Kord rest.

Team would be;

Martian Manhunter
Flash
Green Lantner (Kyle)
Zatana
The Atom
Cosmic Boy
The Question

It's a team that's all about identity, about seeing things differently, about looking at the world around you and understanding it in a unique way - a team that is slightly out of sync with other heros and normal people I guess.

You've got Jon, a shapeshifter and lone alien, Flash seeing the world as kenetic energy and moving about using this, GL seeing the world as energy and will power, I'd having using other peoples will power and energies to create things not just his own and the rings, Zatana seeing the magic energy, the atom obvious, cosmic boy, out of time overwhelmed by the heros he's with, but coming to a head with MM, trying to keep the fact that he knows the past (however vaguely) and was a leader in his time despite bero worshiping him, The question provides street level detective skills and keeps everyone grounded a kind of faceless conscious to the team, but still and outsider, not fitting in with the real world and feeling out of his depth with the super powered types.
 
 
Mario
13:17 / 29.04.06
If Cassandra doesn't mind, I'd like to riff on his 3-pronged JLA for a bit. I like the basic concept, but I'd split things up differently.

First, we'd have the JLA proper. This would be the public face of the JLA. Bright-colored, gregarious, and always willing to lend a hand, whether it be a natural disaster, or a mall opening. It would consist of the following folks.

Superman
Wonder Woman
Flash
Green Lantern Guy Gardner (he's a showboat)
Booster Gold (likewise)
Mary Marvel
Zatanna

But there would also be a covert JL Espionage Squad, which works much less publically, and handles detective work and infiltration. Naturally, Batman is in charge, and while they are based in Gotham (at the old Batcave under the Wayne Foundation) he did not recruit any of his usual allies.

The present roster:

Batman
J'onn J'onnz
The Question
Elongated Man
Plastic Man (no, they do not get along )
Fire (in a less bloodthirsty version than her present incarnation)
and the hero Batman likes least: Tom Tresser, aka Nemesis.

But sometimes, events require not heroism or detective work, but raw power. And that's when Justice League: Special Ops gets the call. While essentially heroic (they do care about collateral damage, for example) this team is chosen for their ability to hit things, very hard.

In command, Captain Atom. He has the tactical experience and can hold his own.

I'd still add Black Adam and Etrigan to the team. Their byplay would make it amusing as well as violent, and there'd be a certain amount of tension between Atom and Adam as well (I'd play Adam a lot like Namor).

The two neophytes I mentioned last night, Damage & Firestorm, are also still on the roster, for the same reason.

Next, because they need a way to get around, and we've lost the invisible air fleet, I'd add Big Barda to the roster (they wanted Orion, but he's not the best at taking orders).

The last slot, I'm not sure about. Possibly Zauriel, which would also allow them to use his Aerie as an HQ (he doesn't need that much space )
 
 
Jack Denfeld
13:35 / 29.04.06
The Question: Again, plays off against Batman as a similar but quite distinct persona. Question is, like Ollie, far more of a "street" character than Batman's become. Bruce has been hanging out with cosmic heroes and villains, while Question had never seen a teleporter, never been anywhere near the Moon. He resents being pulled from his patch to these sterile Watchtower corridors. Out of his depth even more than Batman (his gadgets and martial arts skills are a couple of levels below the Dark Knight), all he can do to keep his own dignity is be the best detective on the team ~ a better detective than Batman.
Oh damn, I am loving this idea. That sounds awesome.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
13:36 / 29.04.06
What if Zauriel was on the team, and they used Heaven as their headquarters?
 
 
Mario
13:54 / 29.04.06
Too much baggage, and there'd be temptation to make Heaven-centric stories. The Aerie is over Los Angeles... that's an exotic enough location for the DCU.
 
 
Aertho
13:56 / 29.04.06
Are you requesting Zauriel's teammates? Isn't that basically the Trenchcoat Brigade?

Etrigan, Zauriel, Deadman, Zatanna, Dr. Fate, Dr. Occult, Phantom Stranger...
 
 
Aertho
14:05 / 29.04.06
You know why Huntress and The Question work so well together?

Because if they had a baby, it would be Batman.
 
 
John Octave
14:15 / 29.04.06
That statement just blew my mind.
 
 
Aertho
14:19 / 29.04.06
Fantasy JLA Challenge

All-Star Aquaman: Year 2 /Justice League of Atlantis

A full year after Aquaman's conquest of the Oceans and the subsequent Flat War and its immediate treaties with the Surface Worlds, Aquaman requests the assistance of his JLA comrades to help him retake some of the Pacific colonies that have been acting up.

Who does Bruce let Arthur recruit?

Waterbreathing aparratus are available, don't sweat it. Have fun, be creative.
 
 
Mario
14:46 / 29.04.06
Well, if Tempest is still alive, he's a shoe-in, for many reasons. So that's 2.

I'd also have him recruit J'onn, because his adaptative abilities would make him an absolute terror under the waves.

Fourth, Terra (if there's one still around. Otherwise, Geo-Force). Geokinetic powers could be very useful, almost like underwater artillery.

Fifth, Hal Jordan. A GL is always handy, and Arthur has the longest history with Hal.

For power, Vixen. Animal Man could do it too, of course, but he deserves a break.

I'm divided on the final slot. Either Metamorpho (for reasons similar to J'onn) or someone stealthy, like Obsidian.
 
 
Bastard Tweed
17:05 / 29.04.06
And if there's one place a green martian wouldn't have to worry about fire it's at the bottom of the ocean.


Actually, the most interesting image that Wonderstarr's conception brings to mind for me is the fight scenes. Classically, you always associate a JLA battle/cataclysm scene with big explosions, Superman bending cold steel/heat beams from eyes, giant robots, The Flash zipping around, a huge manga dragon made of green light, and generally just a lot of whiz-bang-POP.

With that line-up we'd pretty much get a huge fistfight.

Which would be rather fun actually.
 
 
Bastard Tweed
17:10 / 29.04.06
Particularly when you juxtapose Batman's training in twenty-seven different martial artforms worldwide etc. with The Spirit's good, old-fashioned fisticuffs (fells him with a mighty blow and so forth).
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:25 / 29.04.06
Well, they'd be fighting Pale Martians in disguise, in my six-part intro arc, so I suppose the challenge would be intelligent use of resources rather than throwing everything they've got at a bunch of J'Onn-level aliens ~ but yes you're right, it'd be a different scale of fighting, and a different look. Rather than the scarlet streak of multiple Flashes, and green ring-structures, you'd have two characters using crossbow and longbow. Batman's martial arts are giant-killing when combined with his tech-plus inventions (able to bring down Superman); Nightwing is a rank down from there, and Question, again, would be galled by feeling so out-classed even by the young man he still thinks of as Robin.

I guess Spirit would play an important part in Question's arc, loosening him up and teaching him that you don't have to compare yourself to someone like Nightwing or Batman; you can find your own way of rolling, and play to your own strengths. With Vic Sage, I think it'd be his immersion in ground level "real life", his experience as a working professional and a normal guy living in a normal house rather than a satellite or manor with a cave; his smarts about the way information circulates and is exchanged, on the street and on the media. That's something neither JLA-member Batman, urban-myth demon Batman, or playboy Bruce Wayne have a real clue about.

I'd love someone to make some suggestions for an interesting Black Canary within this League. For a start, I think you'd have to ditch her magician-assistant outfit, and replace it with something better than the other cliche of "reinvented" heroes, black leather with lots of belts and holsters. Maybe she could look really contemporary and fashionable but still functional: like stylised gym gear or a modern martial arts outfit, but with the appropriate sigils and colour-coding to make her look like a superheroine rather than just a girl at aerobics.

This is a nice pointer, from Project Rooftop.




I'm not quite clear about Canary's powers, though. Is her bird-scream metahuman? Where did she get it from?
 
  

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