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Stop the Madness!

 
  

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Grady Hendrix
13:06 / 20.04.06
I recently read a bunch of comics in one sitting and I had to speak or be driven mad...mad I say! Please, can someone stop the insanity?

NANO TECHNOLOGY - it kills people, it controls minds, it rebuilds severed limbs, it eliminates underarm odor.

TAROT CARDS - when I see tarot cards in a comic I don't think, "Here's an interesting writer who knows a thing or two about chaos magic and the secret symbolism of the world." I think, "Ew, here's a lunk with a soft-boiled egg for a brain who wants to pawn off Alan Moore and Grant Morrison's old ideas like they were something new but the best they can do are these crummy cards that are most often wielded by Sister Cleo on the Psychic Hotline."

SUPERHEROES DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT TO GET INVOLVED WITH GEO POLITICS: either do it or don't. But please, shut up about it.

LAME EXCUSES SUPERHEROES COME UP WITH NOT TO GET INVOLVED WITH GEOPOLITICS: basically you can't be bothered. It's boring and complicated. You'd rather watch the new season of "Everwood". Whatever. But your sagacious justifications sound like bad fortune cookies.

SUPERHEROES TAKING OVER THE WORLD EASILY AND MAKING GOVERNMENTS TREMBLE: okay, okay. It's easy. The President makes pee pee in his pants. You cut through the rhetoric by saving starving people. Peace and justice for all. Make war no more. Now balance the budget you giant super-schmuck.

QUIPS: why do superheroes hit someone and then quip? Who are they quipping to if their enemy is on the ground trying to pick up their shattered teeth? Themselves? Because the guy whose jaw you just broke isn't going to have a comeback ready and his ears are ringing so hard he probably can't hear you anyways. If superheroes existed I'd want a high powered sniper rifle and I'd wait for them to hit someone and then quip and then I'd blow their brains out. "I guess you're the BRAINS of the operation," I'd quip. And then someone would blow MY brains out and so on and so forth.

WOMEN IN PORNO POSES: I understand that comic book women have no body fat, three inch waists, have never heard of cellulite, don't go through menopause, are totally hairless, get their bikini lines, eyebrows and underarms waxed twice a day, never menstruate, and feel more comfortable in bikinis, but must they strike porno poses when they stand still. You know - butt out and to the side, boobs jutting perkily upwards, arms behind the shoulders, legs extended to tippy toes? If this is how they prefer to stand around why are they fighting crime? Why not just go directly to adult films? Jenna Jameson does okay.

PEOPLE TELEPORTING: driving sucks. Flying's not much better. And don't get me started on the train. But can we give writers a free pass so that they can just magically transport their characters from place to place without relying on dimensional shifting, boom tubes, teleportation, or walking between realities? One more scene of the villain turning around and seeing the good guys tumbling out of a dimensional portal like a bunch of angry clowns crawling out of a tiny car and I think everyone should be forced to have a time out.

BARS: try to count the number of meetings, encounters, secret rendez vous and intimate exchanges that take place in comic book bars. Lost count? Of course you have, because it's a number in the low gigabillions. But have any of these writers ever been to a bar? The ones I've been to are so loud you can barely hear the person next to you, the bartender never knows my name (nor is he ever wiping down glasses with a rag), there's rarely a free table, and I'm always having to move so someone can get by me. The bars that are quiet enough to have a conversation in often have a dead cat under one of the tables, and dirty old men with dry, withered fingers staring off into space and crying quietly about their wrecked marriages taking up the bar stools. And what about the giant flat-screen TV's blaring ESPN?

TELEPATHS MAKING PEOPLE FORGET THINGS: my mother always said you don't have to remember your excuse if you just tell the truth. And she's right, damn her. Damn her all to hell. How can Prof. X keep track of all the things he made people forget over the years? And what about those less righteous telepaths. "Do you want to go to my beach house tomorrow?" "What beach house? You have a beach house?" "Never mind."
 
 
A
13:57 / 20.04.06
That entire post is Barbe-quote worthy. Virtual high-five.
 
 
Mario
17:24 / 20.04.06
Mine might not be as fun, but they are certainly irksome:

1) Government superhero organizations turning corrupt, especially if they are named SHIELD or Checkmate. That includes being taken over by supervillains.

2)Dark futures. Especially retellings of "Days of Future Past". We know the characters will never get that old, so why bother?

3) Superhero families being called "dysfunctional", and careening from one family crisis to another. Some people _do_ manage to have interesting lives without getting divorced, you know.

4) Boilerplate alien races, where their entire national identity is tied to a single occupation (usually warriors, sometimes scientists or artists).

5) Sci-fi epics which boil down to "superheroes fighting in space just like they do on earth".

That should do for now.
 
 
Triplets
17:34 / 20.04.06
POSING ON A ROCK!

Why are you all standing there like a Topman photoshoot? Especially counts if this happens in the middle of something burning and/or exploding.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:43 / 20.04.06
What!? I totally do that in life. If there's a fire, I make sure I pose in a prominent position where the light really hits me just right.

It's not easy being a hero, man, you have to take all these things in to consideration at all times.
 
 
matthew.
17:53 / 20.04.06
The entire universe is at stake, and the only people who can save it (through fisticuffs) are a bunch of carbon-based bipeds from a mudball. In the ENTIRE universe, these "dysfunctional" losers are the only ones you can find? Please.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
18:14 / 20.04.06
Seriously! Go find Galactus, the Beyonder, or the Stranger, Eternity, or the dude with the floating head with three faces (tri-something). Hell, in most cases of universal threats, I'd take the In-Betweener over the Avengers. Just gimme somebody cosmic, not some schmuck with a bow and trick arrows (I'm looking at you, Hawkeye. You never deserved to be part of any space adventures and you fucking well know it).
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:33 / 20.04.06
Heroes coming back from the dead. Seriously, writers, MAKE UP NEW CHARACTERS FOR ONCE, damn it. Kudoz for Mar-vell for staying dead.

And, an insight on the WOMEN ON PORNO POSES> Those poor lazy artists need to copy their women from somewhere, don't they? And I'm betting they all have a huge stach of PLayboy magazines right beside their workbench.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:44 / 20.04.06
DRAMATIC END OF ISSUE SPLASH PAGES
whereby everyone on the penultimate page turns at the last minute to face - as the last page reveals - a full-spread "hero pose" of saviour turning up at the last minute, or what I suppose is a "villain pose" of bad guy making a surprise return.

With dry last line of dialogue in small, wry speech-bubble, perhaps "Oh S*@T."

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SUPERHERO LOGOS WITHIN DIALOGUE BALLOONS
I have really come to detest this clumsy convention whereby, for instance, you have the line "this is a job for... Superman" and the last word is replaced with a fuck-off blue and red LOGO, as if he's said "intel inside" and a trademark chime has jingled out; as if you can't say the name without reproducing the official copyright brand.

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UNREADABLE GOTHIC FONTS
Not so common anymore, but in Sandman and imitative indie titles, you used to get so many artistic fonts within the dialogue balloons (for spooky-talking deities and demons) that it was like reading Asterix when the Egyptians talk in hieroglyphics. You can convey accent and dialect through a good script - it doesn't have to look like an explosion in a Letraset shop.

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FRAGMENTED FIRST-PERSON NARRATION
Maybe you don't see this so much anymore either - and most of my complaints seem to be about dialogue - but the kind of hardboiled crap Frank Miller started, then lost all talent for, which was taken up and modified by people like Jeph Loeb. You

know.
This kind of -
(he's stalling.)
THING...
(leading with his right)
You know what they say say. It's not the fall that HURTS you.
(I get a JAB to his RIBS. One...
cracks)
It's hitting the ...
GROUND.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:49 / 20.04.06
"This ends NOW!"

and...

"How can something so BIG move so FAST??!?"
 
 
FinderWolf
18:51 / 20.04.06
aww, I kind of like when the title logo is used in a word balloon font...feels very joycore 80s to me, but only if it's used no more than once every year or year and a half within a title. And it should only be used for really dramatic moments that are big deals in the character's history. Or something like that.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:56 / 20.04.06
ELSEWORLDS
Say, what if Batman lived in Victorian "Britain"? Sir Bruce Wayne is a socialite in London Town. I say, Sir Wayne, have you heard of this Bat-Man? No, I think you have read too many "thrupenny dreadfuls" Lord Chizwit. Ha! Ha!
That night. Lor lumm-me, "Bob" it's a demon! No, "Peg", it's Jack the Ripper, God Save Us.
Have no fear, says a tall man in a dark cloak. "I am no demon! Only the Guilty need fear... the Bat-Man"
Next day, all the talk is of "Duke R", who fell into a vat of lye and turned his face pure white, etc etc.

next month: an exciting new angle on the Batman Mythos. What if Bruce Wayne had grown up in Ancient Egypt? Preview:
"By Ra, B'ruce, these celebrations in your Nile-side Pyramid will be legendary for centuries to come. And have you read this Papyrus about the Dark God who walks the Sands... known to the slaves as The Bat-M-Ankh?"

etc etc.
 
 
John Octave
19:06 / 20.04.06
I would like to see an end to a notion many writers and editors seem to have which I find particularly irksome, that romantic relationships are only interesting in the "pursuit" phase, and that once two people have settled down together/gotten married/whatever, the relationship becomes stale.

Specifically, Joe Quesada is constantly complaining in interviews about how he misses single "romantic problems" Peter Parker, but can't kill off or divorce Mary Jane for various reasons. Wouldn't it be more productive to make her an interesting and fun character so that you'd WANT to see her stick around rather than pining for the days when Peter would strike out with the girl at the soda shop?

Is the Daily Bugle a less interesting place once Peter is actually hired for the job? Then why is the superhero significant other considered less interesting after the two have actually gotten together? "Sexual tension is the only interesting part of romantic relationships in fiction" = cliche I want to see die.

I really don't want this to be "look, comic book fans really are afraid of real relationships..." But I mean, they killed Sue Dibney, and a stable and happy marriage was, to me, the entire POINT of Elongated Man stories.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:07 / 20.04.06
SUPERHEROES CLUMSILY USING EACH OTHER'S NAMES AND REFERRING TO EACH OTHER'S POWERS ALL THE TIME SO YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE
Actually this was invaluable to me in Infinite Crisis, but it's still fakey as hell.
You know, you're plunged on page 5 into some cosmic free-for-all with a group of metahumans who've gone through so many team changes only a dedicated fan could keep track of the current line-up. Luckily they're going to bring you up to speed, as they fight.

"We need your FIRE powers here, CELSIUS!"
"OK, STORMBRINGER... then some of that RAIN power you WIELD would... COOL THINGS OFF!"

cut to another massive punch-up in "Circle City", IL.
"MECCANO! Could do with some heavy-duty back-up here, if you've finished with SPINNER and FUCKWIT!"
"Hold on, SYLPH! SPINNER's blasted ELASTINE THREADS have got me... TIED UP!"
"How about I throw a little LIGHT on the situation?"
"Thanks, DAZZLE!"
 
 
Aertho
19:10 / 20.04.06
miss wonderstarr, are you really John Byrne?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:14 / 20.04.06
BIG SEVEN DCU HEROES REALISE THE LIMITS OF THEIR POWERS AND GET ALL SORROWFUL, USUALLY IN A3 PAINTED FORMAT
"Tears of a hero" when Superman realises he can't solve longerterm global poverty, it's in the hands of government! Batman comes to terms with the fact that he can't bring every child abuser to prison. Preferably with big pix by Alex Ross in a prestige format that will not fit on your bookshelf. And three words per page.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:15 / 20.04.06
I haven't even gotten started yet, Cassandra. Maybe some DC talent scout will be reading this thread and PM me for more of my great concepts?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:20 / 20.04.06
FAKE SWEARING
I keep encountering this ugly device in Grant Morrison comics recently.
"What the &%£&?"
Wouldn't "what the hell" be easier?
"I don't have to listen to all this @^$£"

Does that really make a comic look more mature?
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
19:32 / 20.04.06
SUPERHERO LOGOS WITHIN DIALOGUE BALLOONS
I have really come to detest this clumsy convention whereby, for instance, you have the line "this is a job for... Superman" and the last word is replaced with a fuck-off blue and red LOGO, as if he's said "intel inside" and a trademark chime has jingled out; as if you can't say the name without reproducing the official copyright brand.


Yeah, that one needs to be boxed up and fired into the sun. Hate, hate, hate.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:41 / 20.04.06
THE FORCES OF ORDER ARE THE BAD GUYS - THE GOOD GUYS = CHAOS!
Again, seen this in too much Grant Morrison (or so it seems anyway: Kid Eternity, Zenith, Invisibles)
It was radical once to have the revelation that the evil aliens actually want to force the glorious Kaos of the universe into some rigid configuration, while the heroes are defending randomness and contingency.

see also

THE OVERARCHING ENEMY IS A "DARK GOD"
where did this come from? Lovecraft? Evil guys turn out to be shapeless spew-creatures with lots of eyes, called Iob Shogoth, the Isoceles Triangular One, from the angles in the gaps between the world.

Sure it sounds great if you're reading the comic in 1990 while listening to the Cure's "Disintegration", wearing a black baggy jumper and drinking strong cider.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
19:50 / 20.04.06
May I have a chance to rap?

INSCRUTABLE SILENT PANEL - what is good example? Spider-Man takes his feet and fits them inside his mouth then bounces around on his bottom humming the KNIGHT RIDER theme song and shooting webbing on the ceiling. CUT TO: inscrutable silent panel of Captain America's face. Captain America could be thinking about how he disapproves of Spider-Man's antics. Captain America could be thinking about Bucky. Captain America could be thinking about tacos. We'll never know. Because this is an INSCRUTABLE SILENT PANEL. Was a word balloon supposed to go in that panel? A word balloon that said, "Yuck." Or, "If I put mole on my taco does that automatically make it an enchilada?" Did it fall on the floor? Why is this panel here? To show thinking? That's what thought balloons are for. Then cut to Spider-Man licking up his own webbing and eating it. Yuck.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:13 / 20.04.06
ANALOGUES OF ESTABLISHED HEROES TURNING UP TO BE BEATEN UP BY OUR HEROES- Oh look, they're just like the Justice League! oh, my sides!

THE Status Fucking QUO- So Magneto's going to be a baddy forever more? So Spidey or Supes can't have a different look? So Professor Xavier is always going to be in a wheelchair? So Jim Gordon's coming back to the big chair at Gotham PD? So a character that couldn't maintain his own comic on several occasions has the emerald ring back again? So Emma might be bad (awaiting confirmation)?

If the companies are going to insist on picking some point in the late seventies/early eighties and use that as the basis from which all stories now begin, why do they not realise that by creating such easy jumping-on points they create easier jumping-off points?
 
 
electric monk
20:26 / 20.04.06
BEST. COMICS. THREAD. EVER.
 
 
sleazenation
20:47 / 20.04.06
Is it me, or has Warren Ellis not employed quite a lot of these cliches in his comics?
 
 
Mario
20:53 / 20.04.06
Warren has his own cliche:

1) "I'm an addict who is going to change the world by putting on a monochrome suit and kicking people in the head while making sarcastic comments. Look what I read in Wired last month. God, I need a cigarette."
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:56 / 20.04.06
ANALOGUES OF ESTABLISHED HEROES TURNING UP TO BE BEATEN UP BY OUR HEROES- Oh look, they're just like the Justice League! oh, my sides!


So true.
"These Earth-Heroes are PUNY," roars Elite-Man, chest-muscles flexing the stylised red E on his blue chest. An orange speedster streaks past him, blurring the Flash into a whirlwind!

"I'll take this b&%tch!" declares The Amazon, a muscular brunette babe in a leopardskin leotard, whacking Wonder Woman upside the jaw.

"My target's.... Captain Hook here!" snarls Crab-Man, swinging his claws as he advances against blond-bearded ARTHUR.

Batman readies himself for combat, hands hovering over his UTILITY-BELT, as Darkwing swings toward him...

ho-hum!

IT... TICKLES!
Villain takes all the combined rays and blasts the hero team can deliver, curling up with his face apparently stretched in agony. "NAOOO!"

Then - the KICKER! he turns and grins.
"Actually... IT TICKLES!"
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:29 / 20.04.06
FLASHES DO STUFF BY RUNNING
Turn back time, cross universes, travel into other dimensions... it seems there's nothing you can't do if you just run fast enough.
Preferably with
1. A bulls&^t-tech treadmill to... I don't know, direct the Speed Force or... something.
2. Half a dozen different Flash-related characters coming out of retirement/the future/Earth-3 to tearfully help as the first one gets tired. "Hold on, Wally!"
"J-Jay?"
"These old legs have still got some STRENGTH in them! Let an OLD-TIMER lend a HAND."
"Hey, move over GRAMPS!"
"Impulse, I told you to stay in the 23rd CENTURY."
"And miss all the FUN? Besides, I get to run alongside this fox!"
"KID FLASH, from the KINGDOM?"

etc.
 
 
Sniv
21:33 / 20.04.06
FIRST-PERSON NARRATIVES IN SQUIGGLY HANDWRITING (yes I'm looking at you, BATMAN) - fair enough he fights crime with his fists in a natty pants-on-the-outside, capey-capey stylee, but why does his handwriting look like its from the 19th century? For that matter, why would Batman handwrite? Surely he can type at 200wpm with his laser focused brain-powers!!!11?! Is Brucie just old-skool?

SUPERMAN GETTING BEATING BY THE Z-LISTER OF THE WEEK IN THE 2ND ACT, JUST SO HE CAN COME BACK IN THE THIRD AND BE ALL - "I'M SUPERMAN, BIATCH!" - I mean, c'mon, he's fucking Superman! He could punch you jaw off as soon as look at you, why does he get his arse handed to him so often? Then he does the speech (see the final JLU for a great example) about 'holding back' and 'puny hu-maans', and kicks the baddie's kidneys right through his back (hardcore) - why couldn't he start with that, if not straight away, then like, 5 seconds after he realises this piece of space-trash from Omega Persion 9 is a bit of a toughie? Gah. GAH!!

Oh, oh, and TOUGH CHARACTERS IN BARS YOU'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE WHO TELL THE READER THEIR LIFE STORIES FOR NO FUCKING REASON, TO ADD 'GRITTY REALISM'.

GAAHHH!!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:38 / 20.04.06
FIRST-PERSON NARRATIVES IN SQUIGGLY HANDWRITING (yes I'm looking at you, BATMAN) - fair enough he fights crime with his fists in a natty pants-on-the-outside, capey-capey stylee, but why does his handwriting look like its from the 19th century? For that matter, why would Batman handwrite? Surely he can type at 200wpm with his laser focused brain-powers!!!11?! Is Brucie just old-skool?

See also: Jim Gordon writing his first-person narrative in slightly different 19th century calligraphy (Year One)

Think this also happened in the Batman/Grendel crossover, with up to four characters writing their diaries.

Actually, I very much doubt Batman's handwriting has been consistent across any two titles. And it's kind of an obvious identity-giveaway, isn't it, to handwrite a journal as Batman when your writing as Bruce Wayne must be all over loads of official documents. You might as well leave Bat-prints all over door-handles.
 
 
The Falcon
21:42 / 20.04.06
The Ellisism that's really grating me is the implied or otherwise Special Capitalisations:

'This is the Good Stuff'

'It's a Strange World, let's keep it that way.'

'You have a Web Camera?', etc, etc.

These aren't great examples, but he does it constantly, and if you go to The Engine you'll see him do it all the Fucking Time. Two Words. Zombie Raves. Bla Bla.
 
 
matsya
22:54 / 20.04.06
"How can something so BIG move so FAST??!?"

...but I LIKE that one! Don't mind "Great Guardians" or "Blue Blazes" either.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
23:58 / 20.04.06
Covers that act as previews for the next comic.

'Wow' you think, picking up Green Arrow #61 'Star City's Emerald Avenger is facing off against Deathstroke the Terminator! How can this not be awesome?'
After twenty-five pages we finally get to see Deathstroke... sat at a bloody desk. Is it just me or should a cover have some relationship to the content of a comic?
 
 
Mario
00:17 / 21.04.06
I'm more annoyed with "generic pinup covers that could be used for any story of the past five years"
 
 
matthew.
02:35 / 21.04.06
Fuck.

How about this: diaries in fucking general are cliches.

Writers who use diaries to explain the characters need to have their necks cut off.
 
 
Triplets
02:52 / 21.04.06
I would prefer if a writer tried to explain why the character wanted to have their neck cut off
 
  

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