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The Best of... Peter Milligan

 
  

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The Timaximus, The!
03:40 / 17.04.07
Kid Amazo: I got it, I read it, I dug it. Not really much to say. Def. a Milligan comic. I wish they'd kept the other artist, though. Superhero-House-Style really turns me off.

I'm very much looking forward to The Programme. I sure hope it doesn't get canceled halfway through. It is a Milligan comic, after all.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:05 / 18.04.07
Yeah...Milliganlite, but reassuringly fun. I didn't mind the art either - sort of Ariel Olivetti-esque. I'm hoping Milligan's work at DC will be better suited than some of his Marvel stuff (X-Statix excepted). I think the weirdness of the DCU is more accomadating to someone like he.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
10:55 / 18.04.07
I enjoyed it, but I also felt it was a little light, although most of that feeling was probably something that could have been fixed if Fegrado or Bond had been drawing it. Still it got the story started and I figure it's got plenty of oportunity to improve as it progresses.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:58 / 18.04.07
Is it three parts? I seem to remember the hardcover was gonna be 96 pages.
 
 
The Falcon
13:14 / 18.04.07
Five, I think. I was pleasantly surprised by d'Anda's art, which pitched itself somewhere 'tween Ariel Olivetti before he learned to use computers and Doug Mahnke, who's probably been about the best JLA artist over the last ten years.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:34 / 18.04.07
Yeah - I like the slightly lumpy quality tothe linework. See also Henry Flint's awesome work on The rerecent Omega Men mini.
5 issues is teh goodness. room to expand the idea and go off on Milliganesque flights of fancy.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:39 / 04.06.07
Solicit for The Programme #1, courtesy of Der Falke over in The Boys thread.

Initially I wasn't particularly excited about this project, but the art by Smith looks rather interesting and reminds me of grainy photographs. As well, I find myself hoping that the U.S. won't be revealed to have their own superhuman answer and that we'll be given a story where the super-focus isn't America-centric, something which has long been an issue (frustration? underlying tension?) in super-hero comics and has always been problemmatic when people address it (I'm thinking of the Justice League International years, Excalibur...what other examples would be useful?).

I'm also curious if Milligan's going to escape his "theme of identity" motif and work with something else.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:06 / 14.06.07
Picked up the first three parts of "Kid Amazo" yesterday and I was left a little cold by the whole thing, and I was struck by the fact that I could not think off the top of my head of any mainstream DC work (non-Vertigo) that Milligan had done before, particularly using the Justice League. It feels very uncomfortable and awkwardly plotted, pacing's a bit confused.

The plot itself - cyborg baby of Big Bad Robot Daddy - was more interesting when it was Vic La Mancha and the Runaways dealing with Ultron, which as a story was written after "Kid Amazo" but published before - and felt a bit better in terms of characterization. The page of Batman telling Flash about the daddy issues and the potential harm the League could do by interfering was pretty good, though - particularly the small detail of Batman smiling.

D'Anda's artwork is quite brill, more so with the third part than the previous ones. There was an oddly Keith Giffen feel with the third part.

At the same time, I picked up the trade for The Human Target: Final Cut, which I hadn't read, and was blown away by it. I still think I liked the first trade with Emerald better, but it closed up those plot threads well and juggled everything, Chance's neurotic breakdown of identities in particular, with flair. I haven't decided if the leitmotif of Chance replacing a man, falling for his wife and awkward sexual tension as a result was a good thing or a potentially damaging plot piece, but it worked for the moment.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:10 / 14.06.07
yeah, Kid Amazo is decent fun but it's not really doing it for me.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:23 / 14.06.07
It's like Milligan isn't quite comfortable with the super-crisis big-scale that is typically part and parcel of the Justice League - which makes sense, he's much more known for his closer-in character work - and possibly some problems with the artist changeover and having to work with someone new. I'm finding the Kid a little annoying as a character and frankly, the tortured monologues to the bust Nietzche could go, or maybe they'd be different if Fegredo was drawing. I dunno.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:59 / 08.09.07
After the totally irrelevant and frankly tedious 'Kid Amazo', Milligan's on much more interesting form with 'Infinity Inc', which is a pleasant surprise considering my very low expectations for it. Theme seems to be dissaffection, playing on teen anxiety and 'otherness'. Not entirely original by any means, but Milligan always makes the psychological schtick work. At the mo they seem like a sort of Teen Doom Patrol, which is just fine thanks. I'm intrigued, and it's certainly a boldly uncommercial start to an ongoing series. Whether this will result in instant termination remains to be seen, but for now I'm on board. Anyone else?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:03 / 09.09.08
I've been rereading Petey's X-Force run (haven't cracked the X-Statix era but there's always the future) and I was struck -- more so than the first time I read it -- that he's actively preventing mutants from being the Mighty Marvel Metaphor they have long been forced to be; by constantly foregrounding issues of race (though Tike Alicar's arc, and later Venus Dee Milo) and sexual identity (Myles and Phat), he prevents those issues from being conflated with mutation and thereby becoming invisible.

Put another way, mutation complicates and compartmentalizes identity further, rather than standing in for real life complications -- I suppose it had been done before, but without panache (Northstar was always a frightful bore as far as mouthpieces went), and those issues of race and gender are presented in such a frothy, in-your-face manner all the time, mirroring the old hand-wringing about mutants being both hated and feared.

And mutation does complicate things, which is so nice! The Spike getting mad at U-Go Girl for saying something about race when she's "white" -- only she isn't, she's blue, but she's still caucasian and still given white privilege (but even then, that could be body fascism that grants her that). Venus, later (in the parts I haven't reread) will have her ethnic background questioned because, hey, how does skin colour work when you're a globule of high-energy plasma whose body is only defined by a suit made from specially-treated red fabric?

In some ways, Milligan's X-Force/Statix work feels more in line with the old Arnold Drake Doom Patrol than Morrison ever managed...

Given I've had a hard time really getting into a lot of Milligan's recent work -- The Programme is a good example -- it's been nice going back to his not as new, but still relatively recent X-work to remind myself that when he hits, he hits...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:33 / 09.09.08
It makes me sad when I think about just how fucking good Shade was at it's best, or how mindblowing 'Strange Days' and 'The Enigma' are/were. Milligan just seems to have lost his spark. He seems to be writing for hire, with no real flair. Sadness. A Milligan comic is still always gonna have some quirk or point of interest, but...I want 'Sooner or Later' or 'The Extremist'...or anything else really.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:08 / 09.09.08
The last thing he wrote that I really connected with -- and I reread it as well, recently, and reminded myself how much I love Milligan -- was that Dead Girl miniseries. Go read that and maybe it will rekindle for you.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:50 / 09.09.08
Read it, enjoyed it. I actually think Dr Strange, with Dead girl as his assistant written by Milligan would make a fantastic ongoing.
I liked it enough, but I still crave that time when it seemed like he was trying to use and stretch the medium of comics, rather than doing work for hire.
 
 
Baroness von Lenska
02:53 / 10.09.08
I concur. Shade was/is a potentially life changing (or at least life resonating) book overflowing with illogical zaniness that all somehow clicks together in ways whimsical, intelligent and moving. It's special. My familiarity with Milligan outside of Shade and a handful of Vertigo era shorts is basically nil, basically because a big chunk of it seems to be superhero contract work, and that just doesn't fly with me, because:

There's always a little bit of something special missing when a writer is working with someone else's material, for hire, and

I have to be dragged kicking and screaming into giving anything capes and drapes a fair shot. Watchmen is probably the only "superhero" story I've really taken to, unless you want to count Seaguy as well, in which case I'd have to ask just what's so Escapist Fantasy about A Guy In a Diving Suit, Having Adventures? Maybe it's my great love of Dale Beran's scripts, maybe it's just me, but Ocean Dude has always struck me as modern comics' great work of Tragic Realism, Through a Skewed Lens.

Has Milligan ever expressed an opinion on work for hire, or the quality of mainstream DC/Marvel sort of titles? I'd be curious to know. I don't want to spam a great thread about a writer I admire with my own noise too much, but I sometimes wonder about the role of superhero titles (and the surrounding culture) in modern English language comics, and whether those types of books (and the sort of people who read them with enthusiasm) aren't dragging the industry into a black hole from which talented writers and artists will never escape to produce their own art and new readers will be too alienated by to bother with comics as a medium at all, or whether I'm simply crazy.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:44 / 11.09.08
From what I've seen, Milligan hasn't expressed an out-of-mouth response to or opinion of work-for-hire. This may partly because he depends on the people that hire for the work to bring him money paper things to keep him going, I don't know. X-Statix (and sorry, I'm in the midst of thinking about it for something I'm writing at the moment) reads to me like a statement about it, actually, between the lines. There's much anxiety of replacement and the omnipresent threat of losing your career or life while someone else can take over quite easily and fit in more completely with corporate interests, if nothing else.

I think it is tremendously reductive thinking to automatically associate superheroes always with work-for-hire (the Hernandez Brothers are apparently doing interesting things with superheroes in the latest Love and Rockets, though I have not yet had the opportunity to read it) and it's reductive to associate work-for-hire with crap. It is a form of creative restraint, yes, but that can often produce quite brilliant results, as can work with the superhero genre -- Milligan has done a lot of superhero stuff, but it's always pretty peculiar, off-the-board superhero stuff. Superheroes are not a creative black hole draining all writers and artists of juice, and it's dubious and unproductive to to take that tack with them-- same reason it's unhelpful to say the same thing about autobiographical misanthropic comics (another decently sized genre at the moment).

More genres should be encouraged, not big ones discouraged. Barbelith tends to have a clear bias in the Comics, but there are ways to even that out (your Manga primer's a good example, and I look forward to having time to get into that more in-depth than just reading it).

If Milligan's more recent work has suffered, I have to wonder if it has anything to do with coming back to DC and DC/Vertigo following a long period working with their chief competitor. Or he could just be in a period of not producing great work; it happens, it sucks, but hopefully he'll get to the other side of it and be more productive.
 
 
Baroness von Lenska
03:02 / 14.09.08
You're right. Probably my knee jerk rejection of superhero work comes from my own staggering ignorance of the genre. I really don't know what's what in superhero comics, and they've never really held a great interest for me (aside from the odd outbreaking title like Watchmen). Viewing them and the surrounding culture as an outsider, I'm often left with an aftertaste similar to the way a lot of the gaming community presents itself to me: that this is an exclusive club, and that as a nonmember I'm not welcome, or I'm tolerated, or I'm held up as a symbol of Other People Reading Comics, Too. Many of the "big" titles at whatever times I've decided to take a peek into the genre were at best confusing to me. The genre's almost mad emphasis on continuity is a big turn off to me. As someone who never grew up reading superhero comics, who began reading comics from an altogether different angle, I don't know who these people are and I don't know why what is happening to them is significant and the little notes recommending I take a look back at issue #567 come off as poor storytelling to me.

That's one example, and I don't even know how many modern books it affects. Thinking about it, most of my criticisms of the genre are of the genre's culture--the fans and their attitudes and expectations toward the genre and other comics and other readers. Going back to games, Jonathan Blow did a talk recently where he yakked about how games can have natural rewards (the game is fun to play, in itself; the mechanics are inherently fun without any sort of goal) and artificial rewards (level grinding, point accumulating, trying to reach ever expanding, increasingly abstract goals). One of the feelings I get from superhero comic reading culture is that for a lot of readers, superhero comics were once inherently fun and exciting in themselves, but as they grow older become more about continuity and the preservation of the good experiences they remember having with the books. A criticism much smaller than others I could aim for (misogyny, obsessiveness, self referential to the point of being exclusive) but one that I almost never see mentioned, that interests me, and that is more or less totally free from affecting Barbelith. Pretty vague though, I know. It's more of a brain itch I get in the back of my head sometimes than a fully fledged thought. I get the same feeling from JRPG fans; there's this idea there of an "Old School RPG" where the plot is a piece of Swiss cheese paper and the characters are painfully cute and totally vapid and the gameplay seems intentionally designed to make you break down and cry from sheer frustration. I don't know where this idea came from, because actual old school JRPGs weren't really like that (aside from teary meltdown gameplay), and I think the idea comes more from the half-but-fondly remembered idea of old school RPGs that game players have developed than anything else. In other words, it's a recent sub-genre. The very few superhero titles I've picked up gave me a similar feeling, but I don't really have the history with them to tell if I'm not just haughty or something.

You're definitely right to call me on my assumption that work for hire = crap. Especially since I compare comics and games as mediums, the majority of the latter being work for hire, some of it brilliant. Work for hire can really spark the creativity of some creators by the inherent limitations of such a setup. "How can I tell this story in a way that my publisher wants it told and my audience wants to read without losing any of the impact?" is probably a good question to ask, especially considering that many of the major writers and artists I read in English language comics produce fairly experimental work that could possibly be borderline incoherent tosh if written and published independently without any creative control.

And to be fair, I'd probably describe narcissistic indie comics as being a smaller black hole draining the industry of love and light. In fact, I have this little fantasy sometimes, where indie comickers (many of whom I see as exceedingly talented artists but wretched storytellers) and biggie superhero writers (many of whom I see as outstanding storytellers creatively stifled by their publishers and reader expectations) kiss and make up and do beautiful, marvelous things together, superhero and otherwise. It's a silly dream, I know.

So, maybe it is me, and I should gather courage and leap back into the superhero genre. I am sure there are plenty of good titles that I'd like, but simply don't know enough to know how to discover. Or maybe my personal tastes will simply not allow me to enjoy most of them, and I should just see that as Not A Big Deal. What I'm really getting at, I think, is that superhero comics seem to be the central pillar of English comic books, but I'm not entirely sure if they're really relevant to anyone who doesn't already read them. Y'know?
 
 
Baroness von Lenska
03:11 / 14.09.08
...But this is a thread about Peter Milligan, whose brain I always thought I'd grow up to marry, so I'll can the little-m meta discussion and get things back on track. Are there any books specifically by Milligan that would probably be classified as superhero work that I should be reading? Does the writing quality and storytelling between, say, Enigma and X-Statix compare, or do they read as somewhat separate affairs?

I'm glad you replied, Lw/L. The truth is, I really don't know anything about superhero comics but they seem to pervade so much of western comics that I feel like I'm missing out on something. Maybe part of it is jealousy; a lot of writers I really admire seem to also do superhero work, either out of a love for the genre or to put some food on the table or both. I suppose it couldn't hurt to try the genre with writers I'm already familiar with. I'm just never certain where to start.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:31 / 14.09.08
Milligan's superhero work...Enigma, oddly, is a perfect example of a superhero book he's done, so I'm glad you've read that.

X-Statix may not directly relate, but it's a meditation on media sensationalism, tokenism, work-for-hire (oddly), and the mechanics of trauma. It's also just plain funny.

Let me think about some other examples.

(Perhaps it's worth opening a thread to discuss the meta-industry stuff?)
 
 
sleazenation
06:28 / 18.09.08
I also find it odd that BvL is seeking to equate work for hire with superheroes on the grounds that both Shade and Human Target were also revamps of properties created by others and owned by DC.

As to Milligan's current output and whether or not he has 'lost it', I think it is more that when he good he is very, very good and when he isn't he is disproportionately disappointing because we all know he can do so much better. I enjoyed The Programme, it wasn't Milligan's best work but it engaged me enough to actually get me into the comic shop, something that few comics can do these days.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:42 / 04.12.08
I bought 'Moon Knight: Silent Knight' on the off-chance it might be good, or, realistically, interestingly terrible. As a reader I was expecting to feel as if I'd been tied up in an alleyway, and then hosed down with Milligan's piss, but you never know, right?

And actually, it was pretty great. Moon Knight appears to be some sort of schizophrenic, homicidal Batman type these days (voices in his head, imaginary friends, problems with his sig other etc) all of which Milligan has a certain amount of fun with.

At the risk of making a fool of myself, I'd say it's as well-written as a lot of 'Human Target' was. So, as with his current Sub-Mariner series, everyone should buy this, in the spirit of keeping 'Bad', or perhaps more accurately, 'Totally Disinterested' Pete at bay.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:52 / 05.12.08
Is this a new comic out this week? Miniseries or trade or what? I haven't seen this at all. I would certainly be interested in more well-written Milligan comics.
 
 
Benny the Ball
03:03 / 05.12.08
I didn't know about this either. I do know that he is due to take over on Hellblazer in january, I think.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
08:50 / 05.12.08
It's new out this week, and a mini-series, I think.

As far as I know there's been no publicity, it just caught my eye by chance in the shop, but it was one of those happy accidents. Not, you know, the other kind.

Milligan, as discussed extensively up-thread, could so easily have not bothered (a Moon Knight mini-series - who cares?) but partly, perhaps, because there's so little at stake, he turns in a decent performance.

How would you feel on Christmas eve if your on/off partner was a deranged, superhero vigilante?

If you've ever wondered, that's what's being addressed here.

As I say, it's good stuff.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:00 / 05.12.08
In fact, having read it again, I'd go further - could it be a minor classic?

Moon Knight, who seems to be very, very confused, runs about town with a pal only he can see, who encourages him, in whatever situations they end up in with regard to the criminal underworld, to take that extra step and just kill them. There's discussion about this.

Meanwhile, Moon Knight's girlfriend waits at her flat, Christmas dinner on the table, wondering if, actually, she's dating the right guy. But would she like him as much if he wasn't such a maniac? It's unclear.

Sorry to go on about this. But, honestly, I'd be surprised if fans of Milligan's work were disappointed.

I'm inclined to think he should be writing 'Moon Knight' all the time.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:58 / 05.12.08
Was downtown this morning, so I dropped by a shop -- they had it, so I picked it up.

It's good. It's a pretty sweet little done-in-one story. I managed to be up to speed pretty quickly without much in the way of exposition; I don't know all the ins and outs of the relationship, but we've got a the basics without recapping endlessly.

This is important, because I know next to nothing about Moon Knight. Other than he was one of the Daredevil/Spider-Man/Iron Fist/Luke Cage circle, right?

Marlene's struggles with her relationship delusions, the debating whether they're too fucked up to continue, how much she actually likes the horror ("But damn it, I deserve something good for a chance, don't I? Something that's not about death and pain. I mean, I'm not addicted to that bad stuff. I don't get off on it. Well, maybe just a little, but--"). He manages in two pages of a woman dropping a half-cooked turkey and cleaning it up to put it back in the oven, to evoke the subtleties of superhero relationship psychoses and all broken pieces that make her up.

Marc and the Death God stuff was intriguing. At times it veered a little close to standard dark vigilante territory, but I think if he were given more space to work on it, Milligan could have expanded on it a lot. Imagine him having a longer form to work in some of those "Egypt" themes or the like?

I think Grandma's right -- I'd like to see Milligan on a run of Moon Knight. But as a one-shot this was solid. I'm not familiar with Laurence Campbell, but his artwork was moody, atmospheric, and reminded me a lot of Mike Lark during his loose, brushed Gotham Central period (as opposed to the Shade or Terminal City Lark).

I've been a little disappointed with the Namor series so far, mostly because the pacing feels completely off (you shouldn't be able to tell three issues in that the series as a whole will probably be a chapter too short), but this was a pleasant, fun bout with Milligan. It makes me look forward to his upcoming Hellblazer run even more than I was before.
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
14:13 / 13.08.10
For those who don't know (I didn't until I saw it on the shelf): Milligan is back writing Shade - on the latest Hellblazer storyline. It is essentially a heavily belated follow up to the crossover in Shade's book circa issue 43 or so.
 
 
Printhead
14:16 / 17.08.10
Thank you for the reminder. I have enjoyed the Milligan run on Hellblazer so far, and this has me almost innapropriately excited.

I fear disappointment, but am so very drawn to it.
 
 
bencher
13:46 / 19.08.10
What with Greek Street, Hellblazer, The Bronx Kill and Vertigo reprinting The Extremist, seems like Milligan's getting very visible this year.

See who's got a website of his own now.
 
 
A fall of geckos
08:51 / 20.08.10
Very cool - I'm still waiting for a reprint of Rogan Gosh though.
 
 
yichihyon
00:59 / 03.09.10
I really like his work on the vertigo voices, Face and the Eaters. I really wish vertigo reprint his best work in tpb form like Neil Gaiman's Midnight Days as well with Grant Morrisons as well, with Grant Morrison and Dave McKean's work like in their short comic book story in Fast Forward and Kill your Boyfriend and other short stories they have done. I really wish they had free reign on creator owned Vertigo series. More series like the Invisibles and Preacher and Sandman and so forth...

I just recently read Bad Company Goodbye Krool World and liked it alot as well. I think his best work is Rogan Gosh and Skin. Any collaboration of his with Brendan McCarthy is worth looking into. I need to pick up their other collaborations as well..
 
 
Alex's Grandma
05:20 / 28.09.10
Good to hear that Pete has a website.

I wonder how he's going to approach it, though. Will he be an absent dad, like Grant Mitchell, or will he be an insufferable cock horse, like Oor Wullie?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
06:38 / 28.09.10
Either way, I look forward to the almost inevitable ban, once the discussion forum's up and running.
 
 
Speedy
23:33 / 28.09.10
Can someone please come back and ban this guy?
 
  

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