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TOOL - 10,000 Days

 
  

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T Blixius
21:50 / 19.04.06
the orignal leak was in the Advanced Audio Codec, (AAC) which is what .m4a files are. If you transcode to mp3 or find files in mp3 format, you're losing even more quality, so that's bad. Having said that, I have heard the m4a files, and they're of quite high quality.

This is a phenomenal album, definately up there with all the others. Tool have really achieved a great balance of sound on this one and it's quite intricate. Still letting it sink in...
 
 
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19:08 / 21.04.06
I got it at last, and after listening to it quite a bit I think it sounds really amazing to say the least. The expectations I put on this album were insanely high, and I'm pretty shocked to discover that the album has more or less lived upto them.

My fave tracks so far have to be Jambi, Wings For Mary, 10,000 days, and Rosetta Stoned. I can't keep a straight face when that last track starts because Maynard is really funny on it at the start, and will love reading the lyrics to it for the first time. The way it opens up as it goes on is awesome aswell, I really love that tune. Especially when the base and drums play for a while and then the guitar comes back in so amazingly, it's brilliant.

I'll post back when I've listened to it a bit more anyway, because even though I've listened to some of the tracks quite a bit already, I've only had the thing since yesterday morning. It's easily sounding like one of my fave albums already though.. What did anyone else think of it so far, and do we have to start putting SPOILER tags up in our posts?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:56 / 22.04.06
REALLY, REALLY trying to hold on until release day... but it's getting harder by the second.

Someone give us a track by track. Xyu? It's not spoilage, I reckon, as everyone will probably pick up on different things in the music anyway.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:57 / 22.04.06
New Yang, sorry. It's kind of hard to keep up with your names, fireman...
 
 
Sniv
23:04 / 22.04.06
Wow. This album is fucking amazing. It's everything I'd hoped for and a few bits more on top. The music seems a lot more complex and interesting than Lateralus did, and the vocals have much more variance in the types of effects used and the singing styles.

In some ways it's far more wanky than the other albums, and in others it's a whole lot more accessable, for reasons that I can't put my finger on. It just grabbed me, and wouldn't let go until it finished. They're not afraid to rock like bastards either, some bits left me laughing, they were so complex and intense.

I'll post more on this when I've got to know it some more, but it's utterly fabulous, I know that much. Shit the bed, indeed.
 
 
matthew.
23:57 / 22.04.06
The good thing about Tool is that the wanky bits are always followed up by that great head-banging (sort of; the tempo's are always weird), anthemic chants of self-improvement. I'm especially thinking of the middle part of "10,000 Days Pt 2," in which the build-up is almost five minutes long, with Maynard whispering, crescendoing into the line "Ten thousand days in the fire is long enough. You're going home," and the word "home" is harmonized by multi-tracked Maynard.
 
 
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13:24 / 23.04.06
Ok, I'll have a go but I'll have to be pretty brief because my comps bust and I've not got much time to go through my post in write it better. I'll just say before I start though that describing a Tool album is a near impossibility but I can try to give a description for you, even if it doesn't really come close to explaining much.

01. Vicarious

If you've not heard this so far, it's a very Lateralus type-song, that has a darkish atmosphere to it. The guitars and vocals remind me a lot of the last album, and the song builds up as it goes on, with a real sense of urgency and the impending brilliantness of Tools music about to unfold, then it takes off at the end and sounds amazing. (After hearing this I was expecting a type of Lateralus 2 for sure.)

02. Jambi

Starts up pretty heavy with a great riff, and then goes on to alternate between a classic melodic type song and a full out rock track. One of my faves definitely, and that would take a long time to explain properly. Basically : it's fucking awesome.

03. Wings For Marie (Pt 1)

A real sombre and slow song that has a great dynamic between Adams guitar playing and Maynards vocals, then builds up towards the end and leads into the second part...

04. 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2)

Carrying on from the last part and starting up straightaway, this just turns out to be an amazing song. I got the sense of Maynards vocals almost telling a mythic story here and it has a real classic feel throughout. Leads back into a riff from the end of the first track and is one of those sounds that really leaves a lasting impression in your mind. Easily one of the high points of the album. If I had to describe it in one word I'd say epic, but when it comes down to it I don't really have the words to explain how good it is.

05. The Pot

Closer to a full out rock track than the rest I think. A lot of riffs and a nice sound right through. One of the moments where you hear the bass coming through clearer aswell, something that adds a lot to the song.

06. Lipan Conjuring

A strange and short song, that has Maynard wording something that sounds to me like Native American chanting. (not saying it is, just what it sounds like to me.) What some would class as a filler I guess.

07. Lost Keys

The beginning of something that I love and the first of another two part song. Some speaking that I'd prefer to let you hear than describe it, but it leads into the next part when someone has asked something..

08. Rosetta Stoned

Maynard acts as the person giving the response at the beginning, then it leads into him speaking for a while as the track starts up. This one is long, has a great element of fun to it with the way the lyrics are done, then rocks out for a while. Once that's happened, the song almost completely changes and then transforms into something fantastic. A pretty heavy song in places, with louder vocals from Maynard aswell.

09. Intension

A quiet and dreamy sounding tune that has a really nice vibe running through it. Definitely a good chill out song, and where the instruments and vocals seem to be played perfectly. Has some drum machine/electronic beats near the end.

10. Right In Two

Another song that alternates between rock and a quieter melodic song, but has a lot of changes in it, with the guitar work being pretty much in the driving element in a lot of places, before the vocals come back to the forefront at the end. It reminds me of track 2 in the way it changes style and a new fave of mine after listening to it more.

11. Viginti Tres

Another filler type song, I can't really describe the effects here but to me it kind of sounded like sometype of alien craft leaving our dimension....I was pretty wasted when I first listened to it though, so that probably had something to do with it..



I agree with some of what matt and John have said, but after a couple of days have passed and I've listened to it quite a bit, I'm still left with the feeling that Lateralus is pretty untouchable, but saying that, Lateralus will always stand out on it's own and the band have obviously desired to change their style with this one, as bands do. The songs are still complex and amazing, and you can listen to them again and again and new things will still be noticed, but this album seems lighter and more rock based than Lateralus, less dark and serious, and maybe more down to earth. Saying that though, it doesn't mean that it always stays earthed, it still visits many places, as Tool do. Another thing that kind of betrays the 'lighter' description is the fact that the bass seems to be a lot further up in some of the tracks and is present a lot more in this album. (something I totally loved as soon as I noticed, and that helps a good few of the tracks sound so heavy.) The fact that it's played so well and has such an important role of some of the songs really adds to the overall sound too.

This is just a personal opinion anyway. Lateralus is an album that means more to me than almost anything else I've ever listened to, so it's not a great surprise that I still favour that one. (at the moment.) This one will obviously grow on me more as time goes on though, something that Tool albums are so good at doing. I'm off to listen to it again shortly anyway, and wonder why I didn't describe some of the hundreds of things that I haven't added here while it's playing.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:15 / 23.04.06
Thanks, NY, that's exactly the kind of thing I wanted to read! I'm even more excited about this now. I'm determined to wait until release date, but as I mentioned before, there's only so much willpower one stoat can exercise...
 
 
matthew.
23:14 / 23.04.06
I think I've finally found the words to say why I'm not loving this CD as much as Lateralus. The problem with the last four songs on Lateralus, not counting the title track, is that they stop being songs and they end up being long drawn out melodies that don't necessarily go anywhere. With 10,000 Days, I'm not sure if there's enough songs. The Pot, Vicarious, Jambi, Rosetta Stoned and 10,000 Days are all great songs. But... the rest of the album are all ambient sounds, not songs.
 
 
T Blixius
12:42 / 24.04.06
I, for one, am loving this CD much more so than Lateralus.

Lateralus, while an interesting progression of the bands sound, lacked a great many of the things that IMHO made Tool so great. I feel on this album that I can feel elements of undertow, aenima, and lateralus all coming together into a kind of sonic cohesion that is just stunning.

Is the album too short ? Sometimes it feels like that. Lipan Conjuring and Viginti Tres aren't songs but segues. so there are really only 9 songs on here but the same could be said for Lateralus' Mantra and Faaip De Oaid.

Still, one amazing album that has gotten better with every listen, certainly worthy of being held up against the other albums, and one a longer fan of Tool than just the Lateralus era will enjoy immensely. It's like a fine wine.
 
 
Sniv
12:47 / 24.04.06
Matt - I'm not sure I'd critise the album for having too few songs when most of the full-on songs are around the 10-minute mark - that's about 50 mins of 'proper' music, by my very casual estimate. And, they're massive multi-part epics of songs, far more than just a verse/chorus/verse structure. Honestly, if this thing was just one track at 75 minutes, I'd still be a happy boy. On a side note, do you listen to much other proggy/post-rock stuff? I listen to quite a bit, and have become used to noodling and quieter 'mood' pieces in the middle of an album, and I don't really notice them as detracting from the experience any more.

With regards to how it stands up to Lateralus, I was talking to my RL band-mates about this over the weekend as we were listening to the new record, and the consensus among us was that 10,000 days is probably a better record, all in all, even though Lateralus is fantastic. One thing we all picked up on way just how much more 'traditionally' proggy this album feels. Most of the long tracks have solos and drum/bass parts that feel more like Dream Theatre of the Mars Volta than the Tool that we're used to. I don't think this is a bad thing either, as I felt that the guitar sounds on Lateralus were perhaps a little too consistent, with not enough variance in the guitar effects. It gave Lateralus a more cohesive feel, but the wider scope on 10,000 Days helps take you places Tool have never been before. Just check the talkbox-solo in Jambi, it's proper fucking sick and no mistake. (of course, I am ignoring the songs like Vicarious and Right In Two that sound just like Tool always have. I'm a bad arguer)

My standout tracks so far are 10,000 Days and Rosetta Stoned. These tracks have, as well as mind-bending trips through prog-metal soundscapes, some of my favourite Tool lyrics to date. Rosetta Stoned, especially is a complete story in and of itself, following a possibly-acid fried man through an alien abduction experience, and listening as he decends into frantic, obsessive paranoia ("You believe me don't you?/Please believe what I just said..." ... "...write it down for the whole world to see / but I forgot my pen / Shit the bed again / typical..." ). Yeah, it sounds a bit shit on paper, but this is one of the most compelling and scary songs I've heard in years. MJK's performance is as creepy as they come, all drawly-growls and unintelligable wisdom followed by a yearning, manic searching a pleading. Utterly compelling, and that's just one track.

It's a bit good I reckon.
 
 
T Blixius
12:48 / 24.04.06
Also check out the packaging, which makes buying this album worth it alone.



which when folded out becomes a stereoscopic viewer:

 
 
Sniv
13:00 / 24.04.06
Roll on next week...
 
 
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20:51 / 24.04.06
Yeah, indeed. There's a lot of rumours going around that the album might not be complete, or that's it's 1 of a 2 disc set, or some people even claiming that the entire album is a decoy. I can't believe that last one, especially when it has 10,000 Days on it, that's supposed to be a tribute to Maynards deceased Mother. I just can't see that being on a decoy album. Part of a 2 cd one though, maybe...

Check this out anyway. I'm not believing any of it, but it's pretty fun to read :

Rumours

If monday the 2nd doesn't arrive soon I think I'll just asplode.
 
 
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20:58 / 24.04.06
Oh, and this from the bands official site :

Now where was I?.. Oh yeah, TOOL!.. I'm not going to reveal my source, Mister Patience, but do you want to know the kind of things that have been going on while this record was being recorded? Okay, first there was the decoy record just to confound all those would-be bootleggers out there. This took, oh, about a year, just because the band members wanted it to sound pretty close to the real thing (so as to be believable), along with equally believable art design.
 
 
matthew.
03:04 / 25.04.06
It's a good CD. I'm not going to lie. Anything by Tool will make me happy. But, I'm going to go ahead and prefer Lateralus for sheer joycore value. But I see your point, John. I don't really listen to a lot of prog. I prefer hooks as opposed to soundscapes.
 
 
T Blixius
13:34 / 25.04.06
From the bands official site : That was a joke, making fun of the conspiracy theorists.

This is the real album, there is only one CD, and there is not a decoy album. That's just crazy talk.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:58 / 25.04.06
Well, yeah, who's gonna try to fool bootleggers by recording an entirely different album which only the bootleggers have access to?
 
 
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14:45 / 25.04.06
Yeah, after reading through some of that thread it got really crazy, but some of it was funny aswell so I linked to that and the comment from the bands site. Apparently Luxembourg already have the album anyway, so it's been more or less confirmed. I've seen what the CD looks like and most of the images from the artwork too, but I'd really prefer not to spoil that for you.
 
 
De Selby
12:45 / 28.04.06
It comes out here tomorrow!

I've been too afraid to read any reviews, or really anything at all that would change my opinion before listening to it. I can barely wait any longer!

Roughly 12 hours now....
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:48 / 01.05.06
OK, this is officially amazing. On a first listen, they've taken Lateralus as a starting point, then run as fast as they can in that direction, and ended up... well, somewhere ace, by the sounds of things. It's beautiful, and ugly, and nosiy, and tuneful, and... it's ace, really.

And the packaging on its own blew me away.

Give me a few more listens to get to know the thing, and I'll be a little more coherent. At the moment, my brain is trying to process the fact that it's just pictured Hawkwind doing mushrooms with Clive Barker. Which isn't conducive to stuff like "stringing a sentence together".
 
 
T Blixius
20:14 / 01.05.06
It's an utterly amazing album, one of their best, truly.
 
 
matthew.
21:12 / 01.05.06
From Amazon's reviewing staff:
'[10,000 Days] hits a series of high-flying moments with tracks such as "Jambi" and "The Pot." When Tool sounds as good as it does on these songs it's hard to get enough. Which makes it all the more baffling that a surprisingly large chunk of the disc is given over to mood-enhancing soundscapes like "Lost Keys" and "Vigniti Tres." Who has time for filler?'

A very good summation of my problems with this great album. Call me a pessimist, but I find I'm focusing on the bad. When 10,000 Days is good, it's astonishing. When it's bad, it's boring like Chuck Palahniuk on Zoloft.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:34 / 02.05.06
Wings For Mary is absolutely gorgeous- both parts. Apparently about his mother's death after 27 years (or 10,000 days) of stroke-induced paralysis (see also APC's Judith), I'm becoming more convinced the more times I listen to it that they're the best lyrics he's ever written.
 
 
Sniv
17:08 / 02.05.06
I was listening to 10,000 Days (the song) earlier on and it struck me, like Stoatie, just how touching a song it is. It's the complete opposite of APC's Judith, where MJK is almost castigating his mother for her religious choices. Instead, in 10,000 Days he's celebrating her faith with her, telling God 'Your pillar of faith has ascended'.

While I'm not exactly sure of MJK's religious leanings (I think he's an aetheist, but I'm not sure), in this song, it feels like he's sharing his mother's christianity with her, acknowledging this is her reward, what she believed in as she died and what, for all we know, she was actually going to experience after she passed. It's much more respectful, towards his mother and faith in general, than Judith was, but then I suppose it's easier to be angry at someone for their choices while they're alive and you're frustrated by them, than after they've died, and you have to come to terms with them and their beliefs.

Also, the artwork is fan-fucking-tastic. The psychedelic endlessly repeating heads gave me a headache after too much time spent staring at them. I am a teeny bit disappointed that the album wasn't a hoax though (how cool would that have been?! t00l are teh masterz!!1! etc.), but that'll teach me to go reading the Tool boards after a few drinks, getting me all excited.

Rosetta Stoned is probably my favourite song though, just for it's narrative, and how manic the character sounds at the end when he's ranting about being a heeeroooooo. That guy must have had some serious comic habit going on, as well as all the deadhead chemistry. I also love Vicarious, but mainy because when I was first listening to it, that Strictly Disco Fever (or the whatever the hell it's called bollocks on BBC1 on a saturday) programme, and the track synched up with a big, multi partner dance number just as the tribal/stompy bit in the middle of the song kicked in. It was proper sick, and the sight of all these grinning thrusting bodies on the screen as Maynard sang about watching people die on TV was too much. That should be the video, dammit.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:48 / 03.05.06
Am four songs in. This. Is. Awesome.

Tool rool. Bloody hell... It says something about the amount of time between records (five years! FIVE years! five YEARS!) that even though I listened to Aenima and Lateralus over and over at the weekend to psych myself up, I'm still gobsmacked by exactly how extraordinary 'Vicarious' and 'Jambi' are. I'm doing my usual listening to songs over and over on repeat before going for the whole album in one go, as I only get to listen to the album in snatches at the moment what with commuting and walking to and fro. 'Wings For Marie' and '10,000 days' blurred into one another, but I've only heard them once.

It's bloody heavy, as well. 'Jambi' must be one of the more brutal things they've recorded...

I'm a happy bunny right now, yes I am.
 
 
happenchance
14:23 / 03.05.06
When 10,000 Days is good, it's astonishing. When it's bad, it's boring like Chuck Palahniuk on Zoloft.

I agree, but then the same applies to Ænima, that album has about 5 tracks of completely boring filler (Message to Harry Mansback, -Ions, Intermission, Die Eier Von Satan and Cesaro Summability) so it's not something new to Tool albums.

Still, when Ænima & 10k days rock... they don't hold back one bit.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:10 / 04.05.06
There's a common misconception, at least amongst critics, that Lateralus is a massive leap to a different place, when it's really just a large a step on from the diagonal movement Aenima made onwards from Undertow. 10,000 Days just continues that progression. It would seem that if you think that the less 'rocking' stuff on Aenima and 10,000 Days is 'filler', then you're not really into what Tool are doing at all, just into them when they kick into overdrive. Which is kind of like only liking the loud bits on Mogwai or Godspeed...! records. It's always seemed to me that Tool albums are creative ideas that are then meticulously crafted into the finished product. To refer to half the album as 'filler' seems to me to be missing the point of what that material is there for. Light and shade, right?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:41 / 04.05.06
That kind of puts into words what I've been thinking- you wouldn't call them "filler" if they were on, say, an Eno album (not the best comparison, but I'm tired)- they're still Tool making music. They may not be Tool making METAL, but then Tool aren't just a metal band, and shouldn't be constricted by genre- that's why I love the direction they're going in- opening out, and giving themselves a much broader and more eclectic sound.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:47 / 04.05.06
Incidentally, I think that attitude is partially where a lot of the Tool-hatin' on the 'lith comes from. People have a preconceived idea of a shouty metal band, which is only one small part of the picture. Yeah, I know the people in this thread know there's more to the band than that, but to dismiss some of that "more" as "filler" does seem to be, as Hellbunny says, missing the point somewhat, or at least part of the point.
 
 
matthew.
13:09 / 04.05.06
I suppose I can take these comments to be directed at me, the sole negative voice on this thread.

I found that when I first heard Lateralus, it had to grow on me. I loved The Grudge and Schism, but not much else. Then I started really loving it over time, until it became one of my all-time favorite albums and title tracks!

I expect that 10K Days will grow on me in the same way. Rosetta Stoned and 10K Days(P2) are so far my favorite tracks. I'm also really liking the vibe on Right In Two (which appears to me, to be about Lucifer and his rebellion... I think).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:16 / 04.05.06
Don't take it so personally, matt- for context, I've been reading a lot of other Tool fora recently and it's a sentiment I've seen expressed quite a lot. I'm not singling you out- you just happen to have been the one to say it on the board I actually post on (and not to the extent that some elsewhere have, either, I should point out). Probably should have made that a bit clearer.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:44 / 05.05.06
Yeah, that wasn't just dircted at you, matt. happenchance voiced a similar opinion in the post before mine... and that's not to say that there's anything wrong with thinking that the quieter, more atmospheric passages of their material aren't as good as the more immediate, rocking stuff. For the record, 'The Grudge' was my instant favourite on Lateralus too, as 'Vicarious' is currently my favourite on 10,000 Days. I might well have had to give a song like 'Lateralus' more of a listen to really get into it had I not come up on a particularly devastating amount of MDMA at about the point that 'Parabola' kicked in. The entire rest of the album was kind of an 'emotional experience'. Shortcuts rool too.
 
 
matthew.
13:11 / 05.05.06
[I wasn't offended or mad or anything. People are entitled to their opinion. But thanks for clarification.]
 
 
T Blixius
23:28 / 05.05.06
Apparently there were alot of tool haters at Coachella this year. But tool's fans were also heckling Massive Attack's set from what i heard, which is probably the main reason why Tool are so derided, the brain-deadites.
 
  

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