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Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:54 / 21.03.06
Fuck Social Darwinists, don't get me started on Librarians. They're worse than the PFJ...
 
 
Jack Fear
13:56 / 21.03.06
But nothing is better than PB&J. Fact.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:11 / 21.03.06
And this just in: whiny little shits grow up to be conservatives.

A 20-year study of 95 children from pre-school to college revealed that "the whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity. The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective."

This follows on a 2003 Stanford study that "reviewed 44 years worth of studies into the psychology of conservatism, and concluded that people who are dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and who crave order and structure are more likely to gravitate to conservatism."

Of course, "for conservatives whose feelings are still hurt, there is a more flattering way for them to look at the results. Even if they really did tend to be insecure complainers as kids, they might simply have recognized that the world is a scary, unfair place. Their grown-up conclusion that the safest thing is to stick to tradition could well be the right one. As for their 'rigidity,' maybe that's just moral certainty. The grown-up liberal men, on the other hand, with their introspection and recognition of complexity in the world, could be seen as self-indulgent and ineffectual."

I do not judge: I merely report.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
14:24 / 21.03.06
So they never stop whining and everybody else has to adapt?
 
 
Aertho
14:31 / 21.03.06
BLUE vs. GREEN
 
 
Ex
14:35 / 21.03.06
Don't play the reactionary - play the Calliope!

 
 
Mourne Kransky
15:00 / 21.03.06
Not when you can read about the exciting adventures of David Cameron as he fights his way to be Chief Conservative and Top Tory. Take that, David Davis! Kapow, Liam Fox! Suck knuckle, Ken Clarke!

 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:01 / 21.03.06
ME vs. COLOUR MEMES
 
 
Aertho
15:04 / 21.03.06
you versus the world
 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
15:14 / 21.03.06
David Cameron is 'foreign' and fights friendly-looking dogs? The Tories really have embraced change...
 
 
Ex
15:25 / 21.03.06
You know what he's saying as he waves his miniaxe at the bears:
'There are certain basic British - ha! - values, and we need to - grrrAH! - protect them by - GNEEEE! - suspending the European Human Rights Act! GRAAAGH! TAKE THAT, YOU URSINE FIFTH COLUMNISTS!'
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:38 / 21.03.06
They donĀ“t look like bears. They look like golden retrievers. Leave them alone, you brute!
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
20:42 / 21.03.06
Yeah, that's not the way to fight a dog.

I can't believe I put all that work into laying out my political ideology and you fuckwads are cracking jokes. I'll never trust again.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:48 / 21.03.06
You have learned a valuable lesson then, Little Grasshopper.

Like David Cameron, who will never go canoeing with those hard-drinking Labrador Retrievers again.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
22:05 / 21.03.06
Here is a quote from Jack's linked article that illustrates my point:

Jeff Greenberg, a social psychologist at the University of Arizona who was critical of Jost's study, was less impressed.

"I found it to be biased, shoddy work, poor science at best," he said of the Block study. He thinks insecure, defensive, rigid people can as easily gravitate to left-wing ideologies as right-wing ones. He suspects that in Communist China, those kinds of people would likely become fervid party members.


Uh, exactly! They gravitate to authority! In Communist China the authority is "left-wing". Schmuck.
 
 
Ganesh
22:12 / 21.03.06
"He suspects" would, surely, be even shoddier 'science'?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
23:34 / 21.03.06
Och, they probably called him for a quote during dinner.
 
 
Triumvir
04:58 / 22.03.06
wow.

I didn't quite expect the torrent of angry flames that erupted in response to that post. Let me try to justify myself. First, just for the record, i'm a guy, and my username is a quote from the beatles song 'happiness is a warm gun.' Second off, all I was saying was that from what I have seen so far of debate on the 'lith, it is a bit one sided -- objectively there aren't very many conservatives. I went too far in saying that we need fascists, but people, thats a little literary device that we like to call hyperbola. However, I feel a bit disappointed. The second I try to suggest that Barbelith is slanted to the left and is a bit dry on the actual back-and-forth debate, a parade of angry forumites descend on my sorry ass and essentially tell me 'STFU N00B!' When I first came here i was truly hoping that Barbelith would be the open and inteligent place that everybody trumps it up to be. As it turns out, the only things that seem more inteligent than the rest of the internet are the wording of your insults.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
05:05 / 22.03.06
'Bye then.
 
 
Triumvir
05:13 / 22.03.06
'Bye then.

didn't say that i was leaving bud. you aren't rid of me just yet. I love this. I try to think something different, I may have said it a little stupidly and everybody hates me. Great.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:44 / 22.03.06
but people, thats a little literary device that we like to call hyperbola.

 
 
Triumvir
06:02 / 22.03.06
hyperbole, my mistake.

Crime: typo

Punishment: death
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
06:08 / 22.03.06
No, punishment Mild Snark.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:16 / 22.03.06
Dude, we *totally* need more Judge Death on this forum. When is 'International Ssssssspeak Like Judge Death, mortal!' Day going to be?
 
 
Triumvir
06:21 / 22.03.06
uncle, ok? I realize that pissing off vet. posters isn't a good idea. Can't we all just get along? I apoligize to all I may have offended with my snarkiness. Can we all stop ragging on the newbie now?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
06:24 / 22.03.06
Also, MS, can you put your hand on your heart and swear that "hyperbola" was a typo--that is to say, you meant to type "hyperbole" but you accidentally hit the a key instead of the e? Because, you know, everyone fucks up like that sometimes. I know I do. If corrected, I usually make a quiet mental note not to make that mistake again. If any comment seems required, a simple "Ooops. Thanks!" is usually more appropriate and looks more grown-up than "I AM BEING PUNISHED WITH DEATH!!"
 
 
sleazenation
08:07 / 22.03.06
Um... MS I think you've misinterpreted what Mr Carnival said -

by posting: "No, punishment: mild snark" all ze was really doing was pointing out that HAUS was being mildly snarky rather than, well, you get the idea -

I don't think people were calling you snarky per se...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:15 / 22.03.06
Yeah, that too. But I'm used to being incomprehensible.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
09:47 / 22.03.06
Jimminy Christmas, there are plenty of perfectly reasonable responses in this thread, MotherSupes. Take a pill.
 
 
Slim
12:41 / 22.03.06
I agree. But I'm ashamed to report that Haus' hyperbola pic amused me.
 
 
Aertho
12:53 / 22.03.06
MS: Do you personally identify as conservative? Why have you chosen that identification? How do you behave in accordance with that identification?

I can understand why you feel Barbelith is a "liberal" entity, but why do you feel a more "liberal vs conservative" style of argument would benefit the commmunity? What purpose would it serve the whole of us? Or rather, how would it serve the few of us who might be "conservative" on a few issues?

Please read Qalyn's view of the political divide and the language used to describe it. How do you interpret it? How do you disagree?

Please take the time to answer these questions.
 
 
Cat Chant
13:00 / 22.03.06
The second I try to suggest that Barbelith is slanted to the left and is a bit dry on the actual back-and-forth debate, a parade of angry forumites descend on my sorry ass and essentially tell me 'STFU N00B!'

Debate a bit too spicy for you?
 
 
Lurid Archive
13:21 / 22.03.06
I think you can often find out more about your position and your arguments by having them strongly challenged than by engaging in constructive discussion. Although the latter has its place, it can leave you with "holes" and assumptions that no one confronts because no one sees the need to, despite the fact that general opinion is not quite so uniform.

All I'm saying is that if you can defend your opinions in front of an intelligent opponent, it is likely your understanding of your own position will benefit. At least that is true in my experience.

The fact that Barbelith is not really a place where one has a great deal of political diversity is, in that sense, a shame. On the other hand, it is clearly an attraction for many of us who like to talk with people who have similar outlooks. It isn't an easy balance, but I do wish we had more intelligent dissenters at times. Just to keep us honest.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:29 / 22.03.06
Seriously, Gun-Jumping Nun: the whole premise of the thread seems odd to me.

Even if we accept that there is a certain homogeneity of opinion on Barbelith, what of it? Surely that very homogeneity is a triumph of the free market principle at work in the marketplace of ideas.

People gravitate towards the 'lith, and support it, because they like what they find here. It is what it is because that's how the membership have made it.

Are you suggesting that we institute some kind of quota system, in the name of diversity? That's not a particularly conservative position, is it?
 
 
Aertho
13:32 / 22.03.06
New question on the floor:

Is there such a thing as an intelligent "conservative" opinion? "Conservative" in the implied FOX-News sense of the word. How might such an opinion be expressed?
 
  

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