And there's more.....
I cannot begin to tell you how stupid, deluded and offensive I find this.
FIrstly, it's a lie. Men have not somehow all become "mincing sissies." Where the fuck is he getting that? Sexism and pointless machismo seem to be in pretty good shape to me.
Secondly, it's essentially a demand for all the advances in gender equality that have been made over the decades to be thrown to the wind, for both genders to hurl themselves mindlessly into sexual roles that are no more natural than the "mincing sissy" and "Harpy from hell" straw-man that Horsely has created.
Horsely is supporting and propagating an especially toxic concept--the idea that gender equality is somehow counter-revolutionary, that to express our Real True Natures we need a nice sturdy patriarchy.
Sorry, but you can't tell people to "just ignore" books that spout idiotic and downright dangerous ideas.
Ok, I see what you mean Mordant, and sorry if it looked like I was defending stuff like that. To be honest, some of the things that are getting quoted here is stuff that I'm finding pretty odd. Like I said, I've not even read the book in a few years.
Oh, Finn. And you were doing so well.
Relatively speaking. I thought, mistakenly, that you had "twigged by now", and moved on from a position of slack-jawed, uninformed credulousness. But it would seem not.
I do not care what position you think I had or now have. Fuck it. I made a post defending Jake because I knew him a little, and to be honest I feel sorry that he gets so much shit around here, but with the type of stuff that he's written, yeah, I accept that he's probably made some pretty big errors in his writing.
In what sense does he not seem like "that type of person", Cosmic Fireboy? On what basis are you coming to that conclusion? On the basis that cool guys who are into cool shit like what you like can't possible be at all sexist? Did you read the Feminism 101 thread? Did you read Matrix Warrior & Sorceror? People have provided direct quotations that illustrate what they and I believe is a fucked-up attitude towards gender and women in particular. You have swept it under the carpet, displaying all the critical acumen of a labrador. You know it's wrong, but it doesn't count. So what does count? What has Jake said to indicate he's actually got a great angle on the whole sex/gender thing? Is it something he only said to you, Cosmic Fireboy? Does he talk to you in your head? Does he talk to you in your head at night when you are asleep?
Flyboy, I half imagine you perched somewhere waiting for me to post sometimes, I really do. I haven't read the Feminism 101 thread, I've read Matrix Warrior and I liked it, but that doesn't say too much because a) I was off my head back then anyway, and b) I was a huge Matrix fan, so I naturally liked some of the stuff in his book. Does that mean I don't respect Women? Does it fuck. Does it mean that I was maybe so stupid back then that I didn't even notice half of this stuff and think it was wrong? You can pretty much bet on it.
So you're giving me shit because I'm defending a book I read a few years back when I was way more ignorant than I am now, and you think I care about what 'position' you see me as being in. I know that as soon as I post something that's a little off you're there giving me crap anyway, so why would I care? I mean, it's usually either you or Haus, but if it's helping me to see things that I'm doing wrong, than that's cool in the end I suppose, but yes.......it's still annoying.
'Positions' though.......nope, I'm not bothered. Everyone's equal in my eyes, and 'positions' can go fuck themselves.
I leave you with these words from your pal and mine, Jake:
"Ego is like a penis. It should only get hard when it’s needed to "penetrate." Otherwise it’s just gonna be a hindrance."
God help this man's (surely largely hypothetical) sexual partners.
And finally, emphasis mine:
"A warrior in the making has already asked the question ("What is the matrix?"), and has already made contact with Morpheus at some level (at your service); hence they are that much less likely to try and turn back."
Like I said, I'm pretty sure that he though he was a lot more awake than he later found out.
Wow, I feel like I've been defending him and then all this shit is making me out to be the bad person here. Ignorant when I read it of stuff like this, yeah, but damn, some of you people go a bit over the top. I can see why you're wound up, but remember that I haven't read this stuff in years. Once the quotes started coming at me.......well it's not too good to be the person defending stuff like that, so I'll not be doing it.
Anyway, my bad I suppose, so sorry.
Literacy is a terrible thing, isn't it? It means you don't really get to the TRUE MAN beneath.
Is this meant for me? Please explain this.
Finally...
I don't like manufactured pop bands. Do I find an online text about how they're good and read about it?
I think you should. Would you like me to recommend you some?
Hey if you think I'm taking you up on that, we better start calling you a Labrador instead.
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