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Teh Matrix Warrior.

  
  

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ibis the being
17:36 / 16.03.06
Personally I love the collection of "Matrix Humor," which is just an old list of funny ha-has that have been circulating the Internet via email forwards since the dawn of, uh, the Internet.
 
 
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17:38 / 16.03.06
Wow, poor Jake.

I got his first book and loved it, and then I joined a discussion forum that he invited me to after I e-mailed him, and a group of us talked about the idea in his book. It was cool for a while, and then some people disagreed with what he was saying, some confusion started off, and then he left the place, leaving me and someone else as owners of the forum, then the place kind of died out.

I think that looking back on the whole thing, Jake is a guy that does know quite a bit, regardless of whatever weak points you can find in his books, but after speaking to him a good few times, I think that the foundation of some of his ideas weren't thought through too well, and that resulted in some of his writing being pretty off.

He's a huge Castaneda fan, and a lot of what he wrote was based on his stuff, the tonal/nagual, etc, and he tried to mix the philosophy of the Matrix film in with Don Juan's teachings a bit too much, and they didn't often pair up too well. One of the Sorcerers main beliefs IIRC is that you not put too much stock in one thing, and I think that he did when it came to the Matrix, and then obviously when the second film came out, he thought it was a load of shit and pretty much gave up on the whole thing.

He tried to get some of the people who enjoyed the Matrix films to see that some of the concepts and ideas could be applied to real life, that yeah, you can say that people are asleep to a certain extent, but in saying that, it's often wise to realize that you are also asleep, and maybe Jake thought that he was a lot more awake than he eventually found out. I still have respect for him for what he tried to do though, even if a decent bit of it was eventually found to be misguided. Some of his ideas were off, but his heart always seemed to be in the right place.
 
 
Char Aina
17:39 / 16.03.06
I'd just like to point out that one, the value judgment you're making about what you like to talk about being better and more worthwhile than what others like to talk about may be affecting your ability to truly take interest in other people, and two, there is a vast conversational middle ground between metaphysical pontificating and small talk.

i dont think he said better or more worthwhile.
if i read him right(and i may not) jack is talking about the likelyhood that your interlocutors would be engaged enough in a conversation about keanu's deft use of his magic cock-muppet as a metaphor for the circle of creation to give you good feedback...

"how you doing?" will start more (and more productive) conversations than "are you saved?", no matter what denomination you subscribe to.


i agree with jack, and while i also agree that there are more conversations than the full-on metaphysical and small talk, but i dont think that they are all as commonly enjoyed as each other.

one can talk about one's beliefs if desired.
it's just that one shouldnt expect anyone to care.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:46 / 16.03.06
See, I kind of missed the point of the first movie (even though I enjoyed it)- I kept thinking "y'know... given the choice between being stuck in the Matrix and having to hang out on a hovercraft with a bunch of wankers, slavery doesn't seem such a bad option". Which I'm sure wasn't the intention.
 
 
BlueMeanie
17:53 / 16.03.06
Too right, Stoatie.

Living in a giant computer would totally fucking rule, especially compared with the option of living with that other lot.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:54 / 16.03.06
I never thought I'd say this, but things were better when Fight Club was the transformational movie-of-choice for confused young men, don't you think? Remember? "You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake," before The Matrix amended it with "...but I am."
 
 
Char Aina
17:55 / 16.03.06
i want the powers and the computer simulation.
i wanted the neo role, but as a kind of eternal force of human nature or something.

what's a battle if its not endless, y'know?


this is why the 'end times' series is better than the matrix.
they shoud really write some kinda book on that mythos, hey.
i'm sure it would be huge in america.
 
 
BlueMeanie
18:03 / 16.03.06
I was just thinking about Fight Club myself.

That's a far better book/film by a mile. But I also think it can be distorted in a Matrix Cock fashion, since IMHO the fighting bit and the Project Mayhem bit weren't actually the point.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
18:16 / 16.03.06
When I saw The Matrix at a local theatre in Slovenia, I had the unique opportunity of sitting close to the ideal spectator of the film - namely, to an idiot. A man in the late 20ies at my right was so immersed in the film that he all the time disturbed other spectators with loud exclamations, like "My God, wow, so there is no reality!"... I definitely prefer such naive immersion to the pseudo-sophisticated intellectualist readings which project into the film the refined philosophical or psychoanalytic conceptual distinctions.

The Matrix, or, the Two Sides of Perversion By Slavoj Zizek

Yeah maybe I've become unable to suspend disbelief. Where's my child like sense of wonder gone?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:48 / 16.03.06
I hope it hasn't gone to see The Matrix Reloaded. That'd kill it stone dead.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:02 / 16.03.06
How on earth is this message board going to contribute to the (r)evolution (do you see what I did there?) of human consciousness if we carry on arguing from this position of over-rationalist scepticism with regard to some of the new ideas that are floating round out there, right now?

I think the problem with the Matrix Warrior is exactly that: the ideas in it are not really new, are they? Carlos Castañeda already said it all back in the seventies, and much more to the point, I tell you. The guy is just recycling it in a very machine-like wayand, at the same time, posing like he was "teh cool". Nobody here disagrees that "one" (see what I did there?) must be aware of reality and take responsibility for one's own like and fate.

The future is here, and it's happening, right now, and if Barbelith as a whole is going to be an agent of action, as opposed to reaction in the forthcoming changes, globally, the ones that are already obviously very apparent, to those with the eyes to see, in the run-up to the end of the world (as we know it,) on December 23, 2012, some of us, I think, are going to have to (re)open our minds.

I agree on that, but I gotta say: the "other side" is winning this race with ease. And, if we're going to wait to some faceless collective to kick-start the "revolution", it ain't gonna happen. Wanna change the world? Shut off you computer right now, and hit the streets

Who here's little heart wasn't set racing when they first read 'The Invisibles'?

What's happened to that spirit?

Let's get it back!

The Invisibles is quite cool, but it is no match for, say, V for Vendetta, which preceeded it by almost tewnty years. Except for the overload of pop-culture reference and sigils, there's nothing new about it (Do you hear me, GM? What are you gonna do about it, you bald scotish quack? Ha! ha!). The spirit is not out there, dude, it's within you, or it's nowhere at all. Find it yourself, for a change

And I agree, Fight Club is way more intense and ego-shattering than the Matrix, and yet I see no book called "Tyler Durdeen's Guide to a New World Order". But I blame it on its lack of black vinil attire.

I want to see the Matrix Badger now.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:28 / 16.03.06
And I agree, Fight Club is way more intense and ego-shattering than the Matrix, and yet I see no book called "Tyler Durdeen's Guide to a New World Order". But I blame it on its lack of black vinil attire.

And no super-powers too. I mean, who would want to train for 20 years to be ready for the "good fight", instead of taking a pill and then have all you need to know downloaded into your brain through a plug in the back of your head within a couple of hours?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:30 / 16.03.06
I agree. And what's with all this 'leather trenchcoat hate' here also.

Just because I like to dress up in black leather of a Saturday morning, and blast off a few thousand rounds into a rat or something while listening to Cradle of Filth on my I-Pod, does that make me a bad person?

I don't know anymore.
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
22:58 / 16.03.06
Didn't read the whole thread, but this makes me want to vomit on every motherfucker who ever saw that fucktwitted movie, including myself.

This is both why and because women are not “rational” beings.

The misplaced anger thread just didn't seem to want my business.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:20 / 16.03.06
In nine days' time, I am going to change my username to "Barefoot Matrix Cockdoctor".
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
23:44 / 16.03.06
And for the next nine lives you shall be refered to as "BMoC" or Barefoot Matrix C0ckdoct0r.
 
 
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00:03 / 17.03.06
There are too many 'Agent Smiths' on Barbelith at the moment, IMVHO, and not enough 'Neos' - How on earth is this message board going to contribute to the (r)evolution (do you see what I did there?) of human consciousness if we carry on arguing from this position of over-rationalist scepticism with regard to some of the new ideas that are floating round out there, right now? The future is here, and it's happening, right now, and if Barbelith as a whole is going to be an agent of action, as opposed to reaction in the forthcoming changes, globally, the ones that are already obviously very apparent, to those with the eyes to see, in the run-up to the end of the world (as we know it,) on December 23, 2012, some of us, I think, are going to have to (re)open our minds.

Who here's little heart wasn't set racing when they first read 'The Invisibles'?

What's happened to that spirit?

Let's get it back!


Sorry Alex, I missed this first time around. Yeah I have to agree with this post in general, it seems like people sometimes just like to rip into things for the sake of it, and it's wierd to see. It's like an occasional anger craving that starts up every now and then. Isn't the Matrix hatin' getting stale nowadays around here? And no, I'm not defending the damn thing, I'm just a bit bored of seeing all 'teh matrix' stuff brought up every so often when it's about 7 years old. It happens in the Temple every now and then aswell, and now that I think of it that's where even this started off.

Wierdly enough I read The Invisibles last week aswell, for the first time in about 1 - 1 and 1/2 years, and it was just as awesome as ever.


Wanna change the world? Shut off you computer right now, and hit the streets

Fuck the streets, and fuck the world. If you want to change the world, stay right where you are and change yourself, then go try changing the world if you think you're ready enough later on. Changing the world carries a massive, massive amount of responsibility, and I think that the 'hit the streets' mentality is another thing that's usually misguided. What are you going to do? Smash some stuff up? Have a protest and then get arrested? Enlighten everyone with knowledge and wisdom that you don't have? Change yourself, then you'll probably realise that the world will correct itself in it's own good time aswell. There's nothing significant that can be done if you don't start from the inside first.


Didn't read the whole thread, but this makes me want to vomit on every motherfucker who ever saw that fucktwitted movie, including myself.

This is both why and because women are not "rational" beings.

The misplaced anger thread just didn't seem to want my business.

Rational :

Definition: [adj] having its source in or being guided by the intellect (distinguished from experience or emotion); "a rational analysis"

I don't see why there's any point to be so angry about it, I mean, it doesn't really matter. It's a simple correspondance thing that I think he's maybe taken too far, or maybe he actually believes in it, I don't know, but it's basically the Man : Yang/Fire/Intellect, Women : Yin/Water/Emotion thing by the looks of it. If I saw a Woman writing about men not being "emotional" I'd not be bothered at all, but yes, it's things like this that make me not want to get into defending the book around here too much, because a) I haven't even read it in years, and b) Jake probably doesn't even stand by a lot of it now anyway, so there's no point.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:07 / 17.03.06
I almost hate to be the one to tell you this, but Alex doesn't really think that.

Ah, who am I kidding? I love being the one to tell you.
 
 
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00:12 / 17.03.06
I almost hate to be the one to tell you this, but Alex doesn't really think that.

Ah, who am I kidding? I love being the one to tell you.

Haha, maybe he does deep down. Anyway, I've nothing to defend anymore, and I don't really care, so I'm not bothered about making a tit of myself or whatever. Just chatting, that's all.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
00:22 / 17.03.06
Dammit, Flyboy gets all the good handles.

Look at me, I've had the same handle for the last 2-3 years. I am a humaton.

What I find funny is that I always thought "The Matrix Warrior" was just another one of those "The Philosophy of [movie]" books, the ones with 10-15 different essays in them. I have a few of those, they're interesting.

It sounds infinitely weirder than I could ever have conceived. And being weirder than I could conceive takes a lot of effort.
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
00:54 / 17.03.06
Anytime somone makes a catagorical statements based on a personally held belief and then applies that to an overarching philosophy of a movie about life or life in general, it strikes me as being so reductive that I can't help wonder if the guy has ever met a "rational" woman or an "emotional" man. I get the quotes, but it still strikes me as being completely blind to the catagories which exist (that I still disagree with) that are contradictory to his statement.

Plus the addition of "beings" in there references actual entities, people, whatever; which means he isn't talking about principles like the Chinese were, but subdivisions that are necessarily confined to those principles without the chance to experience the other side. The entity for Yin is Yin, and the same for Yang, so when he says "women" I assume he knows that Yin (does not equal) woman. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe when ever he sees a a women/man thinks of them as their corresponding colors but that statement doesn't really acknowldge the wite and black dots inherent within them. I know I'd be hardpressed to find a women that has NEVER experienced moments of rationality, just like I'd think I'd be hardpressed to find a man who has not had moments of extreme emotion.

Women don't always exist in Yin just as men don't always exist in Yang, which seems obvious to me, but not to him, going off that ONE statement.

But I do agree with most of what you said above about internal change breeding external evolution, but I do know that "hitting the streets" is a very effective way of causing change even when you havn't figured out all the internal fizz.

Yea, I live in the head of a fucktwit, as evidence by the Matrix.

(Rant over) Now back to work.
 
 
Evil Scientist
05:30 / 17.03.06
Jake probably doesn't even stand by a lot of it now anyway, so there's no point.

Well, Matrix Sorceror was written in 2003, and whilst I accept that people can change I'd prefer to see some actual evidence backing up that statement. The books are still for sale, are they not?

If he no longer stands by his books then I would, personally, like to read some sort of public retraction of his "Wimin must aspire to be teh sexul vorashoz slavs of teh Phaulluz!" school of thought.
 
 
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07:05 / 17.03.06
Well, Matrix Sorceror was written in 2003, and whilst I accept that people can change I'd prefer to see some actual evidence backing up that statement. The books are still for sale, are they not?

If he no longer stands by his books then I would, personally, like to read some sort of public retraction of his "Wimin must aspire to be teh sexul vorashoz slavs of teh Phaulluz!" school of thought.

Hmm, so it was. I didn't realize that he'd written it that late. Matrix Sorceror as far as I know is just an online text, and it's not for sale, so there's only his first book that you buy. I've not even read it though, so please don't question me on it.

As for a public retraction of a statement about women being slaves of the phallus........what?

"Wimin must aspire to be teh sexul vorashoz slavs of teh Phaulluz!"

You've just made that up, and I can't work out where you got it from. Him saying women are irrational..........so what? That's wrong and that's that. If I thought he was some type of women hater though, I'd have never e-mailed him in the first place. He doesn't seem like that type of person, so you probably need to realize that.

He does not give a fuck what people who don't like his writing think. Read his stuff, and you'll see that if you don't like it, then he doesn't care. Don't fucking read any of it if you don't like it!

I don't like manufactured pop bands. Do I find an online text about how they're good and read about it? Hell no! I would be picking through shit and it would never end. If you don't like it : Don't read it.

Put it this way, imagine a group of Buddhists arguing about why Grant Morrison had King Mob shoot a Buddha statue......."I would like a public retraction......." He doesn't fucking care! He never intended for people to take things like that so seriously, so therefore : he doesn't care about people picking through things and moaning about them when they don't like him in the first place.

Jake doesn't care, he's written a book, he's had a laugh, he's written another one and put it online, he doesn't give a fuck what you think, he doesn't give a fuck what I think, the reviewers think, this forum thinks, that's that. He isn't taking everything so seriously, so why do you?

None of it fucking matters.

I'm baffled as to why you take it so seriously. I thought you'd have twigged on by now.

It's a book. If you don't like it, fair enough, if you want a public retraction of a statement you just made up, then send him an e-mail, I'm sure he'd love it.
 
 
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07:19 / 17.03.06
Oh, and for the record : I got an e-mail from Jake a while back. He was setting up a group of people that he was going to train up and teach some of the stuff he knew, and he invited me to join them. I didn't. It was not the direction I wanted to go in.

So please, don't think I'm sometype of one man crusade to defend him, I guess I'm just bored of the whole negative vibes thing, and I know that Jake doesn't give a fuck about this type of stuff so..........well, I guess if you want to rip into his stuff, then fair enough. I just think it's a waste of your time though.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:29 / 17.03.06
Yes. I can't imagine why you're taking it so seriously. It's good that Jack made a double-posted, swearword-laden post explaining how silly you are for taking it so seriously. About eight times.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:31 / 17.03.06
Alychmia, I direct you to one of my initial posts on page one of this very thread where I quote directly from Matrix Sorceror...

A direct result of this is that men have become mincing sissies, ineffective and impotent, and females (in consequence) are sexually unsatisfied harpies from Hell. The solution, then, is for Man to regain his lusty, Pan-like nature as a dominant sexual being, and for Woman to inherit her power as a sexually voracious receptacle of the god-current, or Phallus.

Which I interpret as Jackie Boy saying that women are nothing more than objects to be penetrated by Teh Phallus! I find it interesting, and disturbing, that he feels that sex is one of the "vices" that keeps us souless humanatons plugged in, yet female warriors have to be "sexually voracious". Teen fantasy wank hour in my view.

Jake doesn't care, he's written a book, he's had a laugh, he's written another one and put it online, he doesn't give a fuck what you think, he doesn't give a fuck what I think, the reviewers think, this forum thinks, that's that.

Then my criticisms of this poorly thought-out shovel full of stolen ideas and pseudo-philosophy shouldn't matter, should they? So I'll continue.

He never intended for people to take things like that so seriously

Really? Because the introduction to Matrix Sorceror says different:

What concerns me more, however, is that particular portion of readers who enjoyed the book without feeling any need to take it seriously, who perceived the whole thing as a cunning and (hopefully) good-humored gag, and who took personal delight in partaking of this “gag.” (There are, I am assured, plenty of readers who took it as such and did not enjoy it, but they are not my concern here. If they know what is good for them, they will stay away from this present work.) Though I am gratified by this response, and indeed to some extent counted upon it, I must now risk the wrath of such readers by bearing some disturbing news. Matrix Warrior was not intended as a gag.

Perhaps it's in the subtext, hmm?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
07:37 / 17.03.06
Jack/Alchymia: The phrase that Evil Scientist is satirising above is "A direct result of this is that men have become mincing sissies, ineffective and impotent, and females (in consequence) are sexually unsatisfied harpies from Hell. The solution, then, is for Man to regain his lusty, Pan-like nature as a dominant sexual being, and for Woman to inherit her power as a sexually voracious receptacle of the god-current, or Phallus.

I cannot begin to tell you how stupid, deluded and offensive I find this.

FIrstly, it's a lie. Men have not somehow all become "mincing sissies." Where the fuck is he getting that? Sexism and pointless machismo seem to be in pretty good shape to me.

Secondly, it's essentially a demand for all the advances in gender equality that have been made over the decades to be thrown to the wind, for both genders to hurl themselves mindlessly into sexual roles that are no more natural than the "mincing sissy" and "Harpy from hell" straw-man that Horsely has created.

Horsely is supporting and propagating an especially toxic concept--the idea that gender equality is somehow counter-revolutionary, that to express our Real True Natures we need a nice sturdy patriarchy.

Sorry, but you can't tell people to "just ignore" books that spout idiotic and downright dangerous ideas.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:43 / 17.03.06
Oh, Finn. And you were doing so well.

Relatively speaking. I thought, mistakenly, that you had "twigged by now", and moved on from a position of slack-jawed, uninformed credulousness. But it would seem not.

He doesn't seem like that type of person, so you probably need to realize that.

In what sense does he not seem like "that type of person", Cosmic Fireboy? On what basis are you coming to that conclusion? On the basis that cool guys who are into cool shit like what you like can't possible be at all sexist? Did you read the Feminism 101 thread? Did you read Matrix Warrior & Sorceror? People have provided direct quotations that illustrate what they and I believe is a fucked-up attitude towards gender and women in particular. You have swept it under the carpet, displaying all the critical acumen of a labrador. You know it's wrong, but it doesn't count. So what does count? What has Jake said to indicate he's actually got a great angle on the whole sex/gender thing? Is it something he only said to you, Cosmic Fireboy? Does he talk to you in your head? Does he talk to you in your head at night when you are asleep?

I leave you with these words from your pal and mine, Jake:

"Ego is like a penis. It should only get hard when it’s needed to “penetrate.” Otherwise it’s just gonna be a hindrance."

God help this man's (surely largely hypothetical) sexual partners.

And finally, emphasis mine:

"A warrior in the making has already asked the question (“What is the matrix?”), and has already made contact with Morpheus at some level (at your service); hence they are that much less likely to try and turn back."
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:46 / 17.03.06
Alex's Grandma, the return. Just because I like to dress up in black leather of a Saturday morning, and blast off a few thousand rounds into a rat or something while listening to Cradle of Filth on my I-Pod, does that make me a bad person?

Yes, though only because you listen to 'Cradle of Filth'. Can I interest you in a 'Dani COF is a c**t' t-shirt for $2999?

Sorry, I'm still looking at Dani COF's biography... A full album was recorded in 1992 entitled 'Goetia' for Tombstone recs, but payment for the studio time was not forthcoming from the label for the recording, therefore the album tape masters were eventually wiped by the studio! This was probably for the best although i really do miss the time-immemorial opus 'Spattered In Faeces'.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:47 / 17.03.06
Actually, it's not even Horsley's potential sexual partners that suffer from that I-was-reading-RAW-when-I-should-have-paid-attention-in-sex-education-class attitude, is it? It's him! There's a kind of justice in that. "Reductive simpleton condemned to live of bad sex and no wanking, except of the textual kind."
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:48 / 17.03.06
Finally...

I don't like manufactured pop bands. Do I find an online text about how they're good and read about it?

I think you should. Would you like me to recommend you some?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:55 / 17.03.06
Our Lady, I almost hate to be the one to tell you this, but Alex doesn't really listen to Cradle of Filth.
 
 
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07:59 / 17.03.06
Aww, damnit. I've just got out of bed and here we go. OK.

Yes. I can't imagine why you're taking it so seriously. It's good that Jack made a double-posted, swearword-laden post explaining how silly you are for taking it so seriously. About eight times.

Yes. I am the swearword fucking king. Good morning Haus.

Alychmia, I direct you to one of my initial posts on page one of this very thread where I quote directly from Matrix Sorceror...

A direct result of this is that men have become mincing sissies, ineffective and impotent, and females (in consequence) are sexually unsatisfied harpies from Hell. The solution, then, is for Man to regain his lusty, Pan-like nature as a dominant sexual being, and for Woman to inherit her power as a sexually voracious receptacle of the god-current, or Phallus.

Hehe! Maybe he means that Women are receptacles of the God current, and therefore better at manifesting said current in the world? I don't know though, and I'm not getting any further into any of this shit, because I respect Women as equals, so yeah, I'm not straying down that path thanks.

Which I interpret as Jackie Boy saying that women are nothing more than objects to be penetrated by Teh Phallus! I find it interesting, and disturbing, that he feels that sex is one of the "vices" that keeps us souless humanatons plugged in, yet female warriors have to be "sexually voracious". Teen fantasy wank hour in my view.

Yeah, good point.

Jake doesn't care, he's written a book, he's had a laugh, he's written another one and put it online, he doesn't give a fuck what you think, he doesn't give a fuck what I think, the reviewers think, this forum thinks, that's that.

Then my criticisms of this poorly thought-out shovel full of stolen ideas and pseudo-philosophy shouldn't matter, should they? So I'll continue.

Of course, that's what I said in my second post.

He never intended for people to take things like that so seriously

Really? Because the introduction to Matrix Sorceror says different:

What concerns me more, however, is that particular portion of readers who enjoyed the book without feeling any need to take it seriously, who perceived the whole thing as a cunning and (hopefully) good-humored gag, and who took personal delight in partaking of this “gag.” (There are, I am assured, plenty of readers who took it as such and did not enjoy it, but they are not my concern here. If they know what is good for them, they will stay away from this present work.) Though I am gratified by this response, and indeed to some extent counted upon it, I must now risk the wrath of such readers by bearing some disturbing news. Matrix Warrior was not intended as a gag.

Perhaps it's in the subtext, hmm?

Ok then, maybe he never intended for people to take things like Women being irrational so literally. Or, maybe he did, but I'm guessing that he didn't.

Anyway, just because I've spoken with him a few times, it doesn't mean that I know what he thinks on everything, so I'll stop posting in here as if I'm defending him now. I guess that having spoke with him quite a bit, I see the person there, so I am sticking up for him in a way, but yeah, carry on if you want. Honestly though, I'm sure that after knowing him a little, I know that some of his stuff is written just to wind people up, and I'm sure that you're just taking the bait with some of this.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:09 / 17.03.06
Callsign: "Flyboy" Our Lady, I almost hate to be the one to tell you this, but Alex doesn't really listen to Cradle of Filth.

But... can you be sure? I mean, sure, he looks all innocent, but CoF really are world-threateningly shit. I don't think we can afford to take chances, let's just chuck him in Belmarsh for a few years, not tell his family where he is, not allow him any legal recourse and reflect on it at some unspecified point in the future.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:10 / 17.03.06
Literacy is a terrible thing, isn't it? It means you don't really get to the TRUE MAN beneath.
 
  

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