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My first DMT experience

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16:36 / 26.03.04

How the hell do you guys score DMT? I've been trying for a year and I STILL can't get a hold of it. I'm not particularly interested in brewing ayahuasca or attempting to extract it myself. Is it easier to find in certain parts of the country (USA)? For those of you who have done it, where (in the country) did you get yours? Have any of you tried its legal relative 5-MeO-DMT and if so, how would you compare the experience to straight DMT?

17:21 / 26.03.04

The 5-meo DMT is, for lack of a better way to phrasing, it more of a Body function experience. The Psychedelic experience is much more "muted" and replaced with a series of sensory hallucinations... you may hear, smell and perhaps See things but it seems less likely that you'll be thrust into Hyperspace to converse with the machine elves.

17:59 / 26.03.04

Naa, 5-meo is more like a sudden shot of transcendental bliss. Its sweet stuff, but not at all the sort of trip you're probably looking for. Great for meditation, though. And sex...

You can order 5-meo as a research chemical from supply companies. Its legal. N,N however, I have yet to get my grubby little hands upon.

18:06 / 26.03.04

Well i'm starting to think that these people that talk about 'alternative non-drug' ways to have the DMT experience are petty much wrong in most cases. I've never tried it myself and i don't have the first clue how to get any, but i can't imagine there's many 'non drug' ways to thrust yourself into hyperspace in the way that i've been reading about.

I'm needing a meeting with the elves of hyperspace but i'm of the opinion that without DMT i'm not gonna get there for a long, long time.

19:56 / 26.03.04

Naa, 5-meo is more like a sudden shot of transcendental bliss. Its sweet stuff, but not at all the sort of trip you're probably looking for. Great for meditation, though. And sex...

cusm, i have no idea what kind of 5MeO you have been smoking!!! great for sex?!?!?!!
also mr tricks comments on 5MeO I strongly disagree with.

while I agree that maybe you'll see less colors and psychadelic fractals on 5MeO, in my experience i have always DIED( not just felt like a died, real death experience)and gotten a fullblown DMT hyperspace travel, contact with priomordeal forces and what-else-have you... no machine elves though so far.
other people who I have taken on trips with me have had similar experiences, although there is a noticeable dosage difference for different people, different individual thresholds to reach complete ego-loss/death/hyperspace tunnel experience. i do 3 little scoops from the edge of a screwdriver a friend of mine needs 5 to go all the way. if anything its more "hostile"& "scary". "normal" DMT seems friendlier to me.
but nobody I know would have been able to mediate or have sex while on it!

you can order the stuff online. one of those 500mg vials lasts you a lifetime.

for me this is a parallel practice to meditation/hypspace visualization and shamanic travelling/healing.
one does not replace the other, but they do complement each other greatly.
i do the michael harner style drum travellin , and i am nowadays very deeply into it, partially due to experiences I have had in the hyperspace tunnel induced by DMT. the guy himself starts off his books by talking about the importance of his ayahuasca trips, so I think we're doing him injustice by labeling him as native american camp or shaman-lite. despite his new agey operation I respect the guy as a "real" shaman.

05:53 / 20.06.04

The original vision of the sun flower surrounded by petals of aliens, and shouting eveything and nothing is similar to an emptiness of the void experience. I had something similar from an NDE in 1974. It has taken 30 years to unfold its incrypted mystery, and I am not sure that I have reeached its end even yet.
The central circle orb is the oversoul or cause of your incarnation. You and it are twin souls, you being incarnate, it being the origin and cause of yourself. The petals of aliens are similar to the medusa which each alien identity is symbolic for an incarnation or life time which the central orb the causal oversoul has incarnated into an alien world or this world for life experience. The symbol of the sunflower is an alchemical symbol for the totality of YOU as Binary Souls(See Binary Soul Doctrine by Peter Novak). The final cry is a symbolic memory registr to your present incarnation so that it can unfold the huge cosmic vision it has had of the mystery it is to itself. The everything and nothing is the spectrum of your consciousness which includes its origin in the Orphic egg as an energy ORB, void of life experience,hence nothing. Everything because your life spark essence has participated in everything because it has been everything.
I am interested in cosmic framework models which try to explain our origins and also have a discussion dealing with; do a search on" real experience and frame works".
Good luck unraveling your DMT mystery.

15:52 / 30.06.04

h3r, it sounds like you're mostly just taking a stronger dose than I usually go on. The thing I like about smoking it is, I can slowly ramp up on it if I want to explore it a little. But its taking a big toke at once that knocks you out for awhile. I mean, don't get me wrong, its taken me to some deep places, but its mostly about what I feel more than what I see with that one. My head opens, my ego shuts off (dies, I suppose), and I experience a transcendental unity with the divine that goes well beyond words can express. Yet, the state is still one that differs from places I've reached in meditation only in the intensity of the experience.

In lower doses, where you don't completely loose touch with things, it heightens psychic senses immensely and can wash over you in waves and waves of sensual bliss. From there, I take the last few steps myself through meditation to reach some fascinating places, and sex can be an entirely mindblowing thing.

What I've learned from it is, if its frightening and overwhelming, you've just had a pinch too much. Find the right dose and its a ride of love and beauty and communion unlike anything I've ever experienced.

16:54 / 30.06.04

Say, has anyone tried use of Mimosa Hostilis to extract N,N-DMT? It appears easily available enough.

18:12 / 30.06.04

i have.
the first round went well (9 months ago), i yielded about 70mg, which i still havent tried. saving it for the right moment....

so i did another round, with way more to get a better yield, basically 6x the amount of the first experiment. when i was almost done my whole "lab" went up in flames, i was very lucky not to burn down my house and not get any serious burns. scary shit.
needless to say that theres no yield of that experiment # 2 ;(
i was pretty stupid: while heating one of the compounds engulfed in water on my gas stove i lacked care when adding some lightefluid into the compound. as i said, a very scary and traumatic experience. it truly was a life and death situation, so heed the advice that usually accompanies the extraction directions, this requires serious attention and focus.

the whole xperiment is quite an ordeal (4month process), but doable. if you are a bitmore careful than me that is....

so while we're at it, i know this is quite the stupid questions, but if anyone knows how/where to hook up larger quantities plz PM me, I'm working on a documentary where we are shooting and interviewing a bunch of psybernauts, and i would prefer the "brown" DMT to the readily available 5meO DMT for the test subjects.
interested psybernauts/participant in the California area inquire also plz. we will possbly travel to nearby states later this summer also.
anybody interested in phone interviews who has had experience?

14:37 / 06.07.04

Having finally gotten around to trying the 5-meo nasally (last batch having come ground so finely it practically begged for it), I'm sold on the delivery method. It burns like a hot coal, but you only need a tiny bit, and the effects lasted at peak inability to function in ordinary reality while experiencing deep communion with the divine for close to a full hour. Utterly amazing. Though I definitely recommend getting used to the experience via smoke first before trying it nasally, to be sure you are ready for so long a comittment.

20:51 / 09.07.04

nasally ?!?!?!!
are u for real?

how did it compare to smoking it? how much did you snort?
or are u just pulling our legs?

15:05 / 28.07.04

Fer real.

How much is hard to judge, a timy bit on the end of an eyeglass screwdriver. Probably about 5-10mg. It was pretty much just as the reports on Erowid. Slow smooth come on, long steady peak, gradual come down. Not abrupt like smoking. I got to take my time with it, explore and enjoy it. And not be able to do much more than lay and writhe a bit.

I suspect that you don't loose any to vaporization as with smoking had a lot to do with the added intensity. It takes about half as much as I might have smoked normally for the full effect. It also burns like the devil, but at least you don't need much and that really helps.

BrianFitzgerald

13:57 / 07.10.04

A little late, I know, but I just found out about this last night, and thought there might be some interested parties here at Barbelith:

DEA's Operation Web Tryp

17:56 / 11.10.04

Oh, yay.

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