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My first DMT experience

  
  

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Coyote
11:57 / 13.03.02
Last night I sat down and smoked 50mg of organic DMT.

I'm still slightly stunned, trying to find the words/feelings/language to put it all together.

So let me start by putting some linear points down.

I had 200mg, four doses, had them for about 4 days now. Took me about 6 months to find. Now they were actually here I was .... well scared shitless of actually smoking the stuff.

I had decided I would wait for a baby sitter before doing it, then last night I just thought do it. Do it now.

So I sat down cut off one dose and piped it. The first big drag was like well, nice sharp colours a but trippy and I was thinking 'fuck I've been ripped off is this it.'

I lit up the pipe again and well that's where most of the hit must have still been. Within seconds I was vibrating, the whole room just dissapeared, replaced by this big orange and yellow flower each of the petals were a tall thin alien, I was at the centre of the circle, they surrounded me and it was just so intense so instant so overpowering.

I really freaked, thought I had killed myself, that this was forever, 'shit you've gone too far, no no I want this to stop.

I jumped up everything shifting around me ran out the room. Then it changed again, it was like this incredible calm. "Oh" I stood calm and just went "Oh".

From here it gets pretty strange. Everything at once/forever/no time. I was standing listening/seeing/talking, "look here, show me things, elves/idea's laughing playing games show me things. Shaped idea's, myself, everything.

I just crumpled to the floor in the hall and came round literally feeling like seconds had passed since I took the hit. Same time feeling like how long was that, have years passed what happened.

Moved about a bit with strong visual hallucinations and had to lie down again, just drifting.

Felt ........... I was shouting "everything and nothing", and I knew what it meant. Secret of <?>, then when I thought wait what does that mean, I forgot.

Love felt so loved, come home, returned, understood, didn't understand, knew it didn't matter.

Feel like I am ranting, please ask me questions, maybe will help me vocalise/understand myself more.

Happy, I am so happy. DogStar
 
 
gozer the destructor
12:16 / 13.03.02
Excuse my ignorance but what is DMT?
 
 
Coyote
12:26 / 13.03.02
Go to http://www.erowid.com, go into the plants & drugs section and select DMT.

All the information you need and more.

DogStar

[ 13-03-2002: Message edited by: Dog Star ]
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:41 / 13.03.02
Erowid has information here. Never tried it, myself. Anyone else?
 
 
Rev. Wright
12:42 / 13.03.02
You want questions you gottem.

From my mushroom experiences I found that I was overwhelmed by a meta-narrative that was at once specific to me but also universal. Did you have any experience of a meta-narrative and what was it?

Did the images contain any meaning or substance that relates to your perception of the world since?

just a couple, more to come..........
 
 
Naked Flame
12:46 / 13.03.02
Never done it myself, but I know it's excruciatingly hard to get hold of and has acquired a substantial mystique thereby.

I would love to know more, Dogstar, but I fear that 26 letters in the alphabet may not be enough... very interested in the 'aliens' though, as what you've describe in that paragraph is spookily similar to an experience of mine about 10 years ago on acid. Hmm.
 
 
Coyote
12:51 / 13.03.02
quote:From my mushroom experiences I found that I was overwhelmed by a meta-narrative that was at once specific to me but also universal. Did you have any experience of a meta-narrative and what was it?..........

In the timeless bit that I can't quite recall I felt like I was being shown the workings. Like in the Truman show when we see all the stuff going on behind the scenes that he is unaware of. How his reality is a fiction, what really lies behind the props.

Language and the speakers seemed to be the same things. "See how you we fit, this works like this, see this shape/colour"


quote:Did the images contain any meaning or substance that relates to your perception of the world since??

I feel calm, content, I have been walking round today smiling and ranting to, full of energetic wonder, both at once calm and energised.

Full of love "It's gonna be alright, everything is really ok." I don't understand any of the specific information of the trip, what was imparted, what it meant, was shown. I haven't felt this positive in a long, long time.

DogStar
 
 
Coyote
12:59 / 13.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Flame On:
very interested in the 'aliens' though, as what you've describe in that paragraph is spookily similar to an experience of mine about 10 years ago on acid. Hmm.

I'm not sure how much of the images I saw were my own preconceptions, trying to fit them into a framwork I could understand. They arrived with the hit and the rush intensity just blew me away. I was so scared and they were all around me. The petals became them, long tall thin, makes me think of X-files greys, but without any eyes. and no necks.

When I got up the perception changed, they were in my head all around me but different. Like language, thoughts, forms, idea's. Yes definitly idea's. Solid thought forms.

I would like to here about your acid trip.

And thanks for all the questions this is really helping me pull out thoughts, piece it all together.

DogStar
 
 
Rev. Wright
13:13 / 13.03.02
Dog Star you making little sense here...

quote: Language and the speakers seemed to be the same things. "See how you we fit, this works like this, see this shape/colour"


..please go again.

Also with regards the meta-narrative, what was your relationship with the images and events that occured? How did you feel towards your self or identity? Did you have one?

Has anything, other than the sensation of peace and calm, grounded yet? any re-occuring feedback? Anything you have felt drawn to today, or noticed that is different to before?
 
 
Chuckling Duck
13:46 / 13.03.02
Lucky sod. I’ve come to regard DMT as the holy grail of psychedelics: transcendant, but impossible to find. Even Terrence McKenna reports problems finding the stuff.

McKenna on DMT:

...a troop of elves smashes down your front door, rotates and balances the wheels on the afterdeath vehicle, presents you with the bill and then departs. And it’s completely paradigm shattering. I mean, you know, union with the white light you could handle. An invasion of your apartment by jeweled self-dribbling basketballs from hyperspace that are speaking demotic Greek is not something that you anticipated and could handle. Sometimes people say, "Is DMT dangerous? It sounds so crazy. Is it dangerous?" The answer is, only if you fear death by astonishment...

Having effed the ineffable, do you feel inclined to eff it again? Would you use DMT on a regular basis if you could, or was once enough? If you would use it regularly, how often would be too much to handle, in your estimation? What advice do you have for grail seekers?
 
 
Chuckling Duck
13:48 / 13.03.02
Oh, and you say “organic” . . . bundleflower root bark, or what?
 
 
cusm
13:48 / 13.03.02
quote:Originally posted by will it work wright?:
Dog Star you making little sense here...

This probably says a lot for how I'm wired, but he's making a lot of sense to me. Sounds like you got all the answers all at once for a lot of the types of things I tend to pick away at myself on acid trips and otherwise. One time I understood how ideas (memes?) have a spiritual body, and have glimpsed a little as to how that all works. The math is just beyond me though, as are the words to properly describe it. "Solid thought forms". Yea, I'd like to hear more about that part.

Gods, I must try this stuff sometime. Though I fear I may well break something if I do
 
 
The Planet of Sound
13:51 / 13.03.02
McKenna's self-replicating machine elves ('tykes') are also easily contactable with large quantities of LSD, wine and marijooana, but DMT sure sounds interesting. Almost impossible to acquire in the UK.
 
 
Rev. Wright
14:01 / 13.03.02
quote: This probably says a lot for how I'm wired, but he's making a lot of sense to me
Lucky you.
No I understand, I am just attempting to ground Dog Star, in the sense that he has asked of these questions. I find that in my 'trip' state I have grown gills and process/ground alot of my experiences straight away, in a more lucid sense. It makes me sound rather dangerously mad when I tell people about it. Almost too luicd........

[threadrot]
Also Cusm have you checked your mail- I sent you something about Buddhafields, als we must get a line of coom. running with regards our research into traditione etc
[threadrot]

Keeping coming at it Dog Star, lets get you grounded.

[ 13-03-2002: Message edited by: will it work wright? ]
 
 
Re-Set
14:21 / 13.03.02
DogStar, have you read any Terrence McKenna? Some of his writing might help you shed some light on the alien encounter. He and a few other authors on the subject of entheogens describe "plateaus" with DMT, DXM, LSD and similar chemicals. One of the plateaus involves alien encounters, but it's not the highest plateau. If only he hadn't blown his brain out on nootropics.....

I've been looking for DMT for nearly six months myself. At this point I am resigned to extract it myself next month when i move and have a more suitable "lab".

If Timothy Leary of all people describes DMT as being "shot from a cannon for 45 minutes" I'm interested.
 
 
Coyote
14:27 / 13.03.02
quote:Originally posted by will it work wright?:
Dog Star you making little sense here...


..please go again.?

Ok.... when the first rush hit me I could see these external shapes to me. Wow memory, what I felt was DMT was like a flashing alarm. When I took the DMT it set off an alarm call and these entities came to see me, see what the intrusion/entry was. That was why I got so scared, they were the (guardians), once they had checked me out they assumed other forms to interact with me or they let other entities have access to me.

The ones who came along in the vague bit were entertaining me/teaching me. They were the same thing as their words like they were what they communicated. Solid thought forms, self aware language, uhm best I can do.

quote:Also with regards the meta-narrative, what was your relationship with the images and events that occured? How did you feel towards your self or identity? Did you have one?.

I was them, they were me, we were us/I/all. No seperation, like talking yourself. I was seperate but like a room full of telepathic people all sharing the one thought.

quote:Has anything, other than the sensation of peace and calm, grounded yet? any re-occuring feedback? Anything you have felt drawn to today, or noticed that is different to before?

Yes very clearly. I was vaguely suicidal prior to the DMT trip, not like in a "I'm going to kill myself way" but more well let's get to the next stage, I want to know what happens next. During the vague bit of the experience, 'cool more recall' , I remember existing there in 'hyperspace', for want of a better word and being well having total recall of past and future, I saw myself coming from the room into the hall, going into the room I would go into next, as a teenager and well I just knew that I could access it all, from any point and being in one state was just the same as being in another, so now I am happy to just let life roll out as it does. Get to the next stage whenever it comes along.
 
 
Coyote
14:37 / 13.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Chuckling Duck:
[QBHaving effed the ineffable, do you feel inclined to eff it again? Would you use DMT on a regular basis if you could, or was once enough? If you would use it regularly, how often would be too much to handle, in your estimation? What advice do you have for grail seekers?[/QB]

I almost lit another a pipe straight away after coming down, glad I didn't as the effects are much reduced unless you wait at least an hour. I also got someSyrian Rueseed with it which is a Maoi inhibiter and can lengthen the trip up to 12 hours, quite a preparation for that tho' as Maoi's are quite dangerous and don't mix with a lot of other things, have to fast as well.

So I think next I will try for a 4hr experience, with someone there to prompt me for information at regular intervals and also video tape the whole thing.

I'm too knew to DMT to give advice really on dosage and usage. I know that the 50mg I took was quite a big dose.

I have three othe friends who want to try it, so we thought we might do a trip in pairs, so again two can take notes and prompt.
 
 
Coyote
14:41 / 13.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Chuckling Duck:
Oh, and you say “organic” . . . bundleflower root bark, or what?

No idea, it came from a reliable, very well connected source. He managed to get 4 doses total, with syrian rue to match. A nice brown crystal extract.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
14:45 / 13.03.02
How did you find it, and how much did it cost? I've been dying to find the stuff, and few people around here have heard of it, let alone have access to it.
 
 
KING FELIX
14:50 / 13.03.02
I know exactly where you have been, I have been experiencing Ayahuasca (which contains DMT, although that brew makes the trip last for at least three horurs).

I can relate to everything you write, particularly the homecoming, returned part, was also a lot of feeling like something telling me "always remember this ", similar to Toms barbelith experience in the Invisibles.

Something about it was a bit scary to me, the place in some ways was so alien, and it was a really strange feeling of having this time-space-related deja vu of something that you "know" you never experienced before.

it is beautiful though, and somehow it felt a bit sad at times for me.

And dogstar, feel free to PM me if you want to talk, I know I really wanted to do that after my experience, and I couldnt find anyone who experienced anything similar. I took the brew in Peru with a group of about 5 people, we all had strong experiences, but I think I had the by far weirdest one.
 
 
Rev. Wright
15:48 / 13.03.02
Unlike my recent Shroom trips, it seem sthat rather than being intouch with your Nervous System and DNA, you were actually inside your DNA, communing with the other dimensions of the cosmos. Interesting.

With regards the suicide mind state, do please be careful. I know I have had some success at jumping out of depression with LSD, but still be aware of any recession back to a previous emotional state, after elation. It may seem worse because of the up then the back down. If you have any symptoms, just get posting. I'm sure we can help out. OK?

Good.

Now I wanna mushy brew, what am I to do?
 
 
Coyote
15:53 / 13.03.02
quote:Originally posted by cusm:
"Solid thought forms". Yea, I'd like to hear more about that part.

Well stumbling now, trying to explain this idea. There is an old legend Ameri-Indian or maybe Aboriginal, I think, about how Fox and Coyote sung the world into existence, imagine if those song words were the things they sung into being, the word wolf became the first wolf, the bible says god spoke the world into being genesis was it, the creation ?

Well it was like that the beings were their words. Uhm losing track of what I am trying to say.


quote:Gods, I must try this stuff sometime. Though I fear I may well break something if I do

I feel like I have broken or maybe mended something. All good.
 
 
Coyote
15:56 / 13.03.02
quote:Originally posted by The Planet of Sound:
McKenna's self-replicating machine elves ('tykes') are also easily contactable with large quantities of LSD, wine and marijooana.

I don't think so. I mean I have done huge doses of LSD, mushrooms and lots of other substances. None of them have even come close to this. Experienced entities on other drugs but not like this.
 
 
Coyote
16:05 / 13.03.02
quote:Originally posted by will it work wright?:
With regards the suicide mind state, do please be careful. I know I have had some success at jumping out of depression with LSD, but still be aware of any recession back to a previous emotional state, after elation.

I want to clarify this point. When I said suicidal. Well what I meant was bored, knowing there was more, further, different. Like a baby desperate to get out of the playpen. I never have and never will be into self harm and it wasn't a depression thing.

I just wondered if death would be that crossover point, impatient I guess. But that's gone now. I feel content to live in the 'now'. Knowing that there is access to 'all'.

DogStar
 
 
Rev. Wright
16:13 / 13.03.02
Break on through to the other side
Mr Jim Morrison
 
 
KING FELIX
16:29 / 13.03.02
I can also comment that the DMT experience is very different from other substances.

However, I have come across some other strange OBE:S and abduction accounts that do seem very similar, which is not all that farfetched when one considers there being theories about the endegenous DMT in the bloodstream and pineal gland might be one of the sources of those kind of experiences.

[ 13-03-2002: Message edited by: King Felix ]
 
 
ill tonic
23:19 / 13.03.02
Right on Dog Star -- welcome to the tribe.

I've done DMT close to a dozen times in the past three months and have loved every second of it. Like LSD it totally changes your perspective on things -- but instead of just pulling a mindfuck on you (the way most acid trips do) - it feels like DMT connects you to the universal essence (a part of me that I had lost or never realized) - it's an express elevator to inner space - and when you come back, you come back a changed man.

As you also report, after my first trip I felt like something broken inside of me had been mended ...

... the best way I could describe it is that by taking this trip to the other side (they say the only time the brain naturally releases DMT is at the moment of your death) it dispelled all fears and doubts I ever had about the after life ... and thusly, aything that could harm or kill me in this life ...

... it recharged me with truth and beauty - filled me with awe, revived my faith in self and in universal love. Just writing this (and reviving those experiences)charges me with wonder ...

... and the great thing about it Dogstar, is that now you have experienced it ... it is with you forever ... just close your eyes and feel that space ... it's there within you (and all of us) whenever we wish to revive it ...

(gawd, could I sound more like a flake or what?)

The best way I have been able to describe those "aliens" or McKenna's "space elves" is super intelligent (and loving) undulating geometries ... a living math ...

My last journey to DMT land can be boiled down to this one image -- being cradled in the arms of a gigantic living geometry like a newborn baby and being gently rocked for hours on end ... (even though the trip itself lasted only minutes - over there, time is a totally different animal)... it was like returning to the womb. Complete heaven.

Wow, I'm rambling ... King Felix's offer also stands with me Dogstar, if you want to share your experiences with some one who has been there just drop me a line ...

.... but for now, I've got to go, I feel an essay coming on.

[ 14-03-2002: Message edited by: nightguard ]
 
 
the Fool
00:56 / 14.03.02
I'd just like to warn people against taking LSD to get through depression or stress. I took half a trip the week before my thesis design was due for Architecture. I was stressed, tired and had a lot on my mind, a friend convinced me to have a trip and relax...

It was THE WORST MISTAKE of my life so far. Well, maybe that's a slight exageration, but it was VERY VERY BAD. A couple of hours of extreme paranoid terror, the end of the world, friends turning to satan and plotting to murder you, really fucked up clairvoyant visions of the world destroying itself. And every problem you have every had paraded in front of you as CONCLUSIVE PROOF that you should kill yourself immediately.

Bad trip are best avoided kids. Take chemicals when you're happy, it helps...
 
 
The Monkey
04:37 / 14.03.02
My money says the reason you're all having comparable experiences on these hallucinogens is because you share a common analytical background regarding the subject of psychoactives and the interpretation of the sensations rendered by them...your versimilitude of experience is as much as function of language and metaphor, mapped onto your brain [which is the site of functoin of the drug] as the "reality" of your comparable experiences.

Having grown up in non-Western polytheistic/shamanic contexts and having taken hallucinogens long before contact with reconstructivist interpretations of their functions by ha'ules such as McKenna and Leary, I tend to interpret the sensations provided by psychoactives radically differently. I fail to see the justifiation of claiming hallucinogens reveal some "higher" order of existence, but this is simply because I have been enculturated to view hallucinogenic experiences, like dreams, as a glimpse into a parallel aspect of the world. The concept of spiritual elevation is an entirely Western grafting.

In fact, I'd suggest you take the analyses of individuals such as the latter with a great deal of skepticism. I have always been suspicious of their claims because of the alteration within their ideology between the original (indigenous) use of hallucinogens and other psychoactives as medicines and facilitors of the healing process, as opposed to the Leary-esque Western-ized interpretation of hallucinogen-as-enlightenment. I fail to see the justification for the transition in theory, beyond the historical positioning of those figures in a time period where people were looking for fast explanations [and were perfectly willling to strip them from the intellectual systems of indigenous peoples and bend them to their will...a more subtle form of intellectual colonisation] and alter them as desried.
 
 
—| x |—
05:02 / 14.03.02
[thread rottish, sorry but reading this made me smile so big it had ta' be said]

quote:Originally posted by Flame On:
I would love to know more, Dogstar, but I fear that 26 letters in the alphabet may not be enough...

Fookin' brilliant! WIZARD!

[please, carry on]

m3
 
 
—| x |—
05:07 / 14.03.02
quote:Originally posted by cusm:
This probably says a lot for how I'm wired, but he's making a lot of sense to me.

Ditto. But I've never touched the stuff I swear!
 
 
—| x |—
05:22 / 14.03.02
[thread rottish, again]

quote:Originally posted by [monkey - greatest sage of all]:
I fail to see the justifiation of claiming hallucinogens reveal some "higher" order of existence, but this is simply because I...view hallucinogenic experiences, like dreams, as a glimpse into a parallel aspect of the world. The concept of spiritual elevation is an entirely Western grafting.

Moi aussi mon frere! More and more I feel that our need/tendency to cut out reality into "levels" and "higher/lower" and etc. is misguided and leads to a skewed perception of one's own being, identity, place, and function within this structure we call LIFE.

{0, 1, 2}
 
 
Coyote
06:24 / 14.03.02
quote:Originally posted by [monkey - greatest sage of all]:
My money says the reason you're all having comparable experiences on these hallucinogens is because you share a common analytical background regarding the subject of psychoactives and the interpretation of the sensations rendered by them

I really disagree with this, my first trips were as a teenager before any access to literature or other user's idea's, as were my main body of dreamtime experiences.
I've never read any Leary, although I have read a fair bit of McKenna now. I take other information and use it when it integrates with my own experience, not the other way round.

The experiences as a teenager very much gel with what I am experiencing now.

And this is the only drug where I have found the trip details to be so incredibly similar. Yeh common threads of effect among drugs like acid and mushrooms but this is something else.

I read an interesting McKenna piece where he and his brother went to South America and Australia with DMT and tripped with local Shaman. The response was generally the same, for the south Americans it was 'yeh this is the ancestors, for the Aboriginia it was 'yeh this is dreamtime'.

They all experienced the same thing but fitted it into their own context, which is what we all seem to be doing, including you.

Also your comments about higher reality being a western graft is way off base. What I and I believe the other folk here who have experienced this type of trip are saying is that we connected to a more profound understanding of ourselves and our connection with reality, not a higher reality but this/all reality. A perceptual difference.

[Grumpy early morning bit edited out, I should never reply to anything before having coffee and a cigarette]

I'm not trying to be harsh here, I just don't think your post contributed to the original purpose of the thread. Maybe you should start a secondry thread for us to discuss cultural based drug perceptions in.

DogStar

[ 14-03-2002: Message edited by: Dog Star ]
 
 
Mystery Gypt
06:39 / 14.03.02
when i did dmt, the concept of "incomprehensible" was at the forefront of my consciousness. the information seemed to come at speeds and intensities that i just couldn't deal with. i felt this sense almost of loss or of sadness that i would never ever be able to explain what happened to anyone else, and only be able to describe the most mundane aspects, the thinnest edges of what happened.

but at the same time, after the initial trip, my language centers were unbelievable lit up -- as i'm guessing they are with you. i smoked it with two friends -- simultaneously -- in a chapel, and part of the importance of the trip was the hours afterwards during which we spoke. the structural similarity between a DMT trip and a religious experience -- "seeing god" etc -- is obvious; or i think of pkdick's blast of living information; and the sense of incredible contentment and wisdom afterwards -- and it lasts for days and days -- is amazing. it does something really RIGHT to your head, in a way that other drugs do not. it's almost as though it makes a trade: yes, you will not be able to take away most of what actually happened, but you will be equipped afterwards to deal with it at maximum ability.

there is this amazing sense afterwards that you have DONE something.

it is certainly one of the most amazing substances on the planet, i get so happy whenever i even think about it.
 
 
Naked Flame
08:48 / 14.03.02
quote: I have always been suspicious of their claims because of the alteration within their ideology between the original (indigenous) use of hallucinogens and other psychoactives as medicines and facilitors of the healing process, as opposed to the Leary-esque Western-ized interpretation of hallucinogen-as-enlightenment. I fail to see the justification for the transition in theory, beyond the historical positioning of those figures in a time period where people were looking for fast explanations

I guess the nature of monkey really is irrepresible.

Your assertion that hallucinogens are a dreaming-analogue or dreamtime gateway is, of course, entirely correct. But one shouldn't belittle the importance of finding ways to access those states. Indigenous cultures that use(d) hallucinogens also appreciate their potency and magickal nature- just look at the ritual spaces created around mushrooms or peyote. These mercurial chemicals are never taken lightly.

While I'd broadly agree with your interpretation of the ontological gap in the perception of hallucinogens within different cultures, it's fallacious to assume that either ontology is 'correct'- surely we've established by now that there is no absolute answer to any of this and never will be so long as consciousness and language remains fragmented across so many million minds. Leary's psychedelic messianism comes about because within mainstream Western experience hallucinogens are 'new'. We're in the middle of a process in which spiritual authority is being transferred from the state to the individual. Experiences like Leary's, or like Dogstar's, are part of an ongoing process of illumination- enlightenment is not an innapropriate word to use if these drugs make it possible to see what was once hidden to you. Of course, if you knew the score all along, it's just a ride, or a lightshow, or a doorway into a known space rather than the unknown of Beyond/Within. It's not a transition in theory per se, but theory reforming itself in response to a radically new context.

Your post is salutory, however: a reminder to us all that all this is also Maya and that it doesn't do to get bogged down in it. It's just as important to transcend the psychedelic experience as it is the everyday...

(Edit for minor linguistic gadzookery.)

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