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The Sopranos - Season Six (US and Canada only) (Spoilers!)

 
  

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Benny the Ball
18:42 / 12.04.07
Well that was great fun. I don't think the Bobby thing will come back - it would be too heavy handed - the DNA line and so on - it was just showing that Tony has a nastier way of getting revenge than other people think. It was interesting to see Phil's reaction when the other guy made the crack about Tony, wonder what that means? A lot of references to the past in this one (does the 4:04 on the clock relate to anything?).
 
 
Benny the Ball
06:09 / 18.04.07
A third of the way through 7/2, er, 6/14? - It seems to be taking the tone of a fantastic morality play, Johnny Sacs, all heart, full of love, finding his way - and perhaps a miracle - while Tony loses his? Tied in with the film, mob man made up of body parts - will we see more parts of Tony being lost as others take them?
 
 
Benny the Ball
18:37 / 19.04.07
Great episode - slow to build a sense of dread all the way through - and the ending was fantastic - anyone else seen it? What are your thoughts?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:20 / 24.04.07
I've really been enjoying this season, more than any other I've watched so far (I have a feeling I've missed a lot from the start, but have also probably seen more than I think albeit in a less concentrated way).

We've already had two (relatively obscure/forgotten) things from Tony's past threaten to really catch up with him, the latter causing such a fierce paranoia that he contemplates killing Paulie. Add that to lines like Carmela saying "This is what life is still like? At our age?" and the parallel story of Junior in this most recent episode, struggling to deal wtih reality and trying to act like he knows, far removed from all of that - and it all seems to be adding up to an incredibly tense finale. It's all looking to the past, but trying to escape to the future you want, everything folding back in on itself, catching up...

Whether anything "happens" or not remains to be seen, but I'm enjoying the journey so much it really doesn't matter. These few episodes have seemed masterful, and I really think that only a show that sticks with the same characters for so long could achieve the sort of depths that we have here now. At what point will Tony snap? Will the series end with it only hinting at what direction he'll go, on the brink of doing something terrible? I don't know. I feel like so far we've had in depth looks at individual characters, but filtered through Tony's eyes for the most part - Bobby, Chris and Paulie. It feels like it's almost a sequence to me, and Tony's resentment for most of the people, and the life, around him really might make him do something awful. Will far bigger, troubling things come back to haunt him? Maybe it doesn't have to. It's all moving in to place nicely...
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:53 / 24.04.07
Couldn't agree more. The first three have been masterful in balancing tension and release - the fight in 1 was hilariously played out, but dropped into a nasty tone with poor Bobby. Tony seems intent on tainting anything pure around him. The FBI mentioning terrorism again. AJ's girfriend turning a little catty. Last weeks ending was perfect - Phil's anger is palpable in everything he does at the moment. I'm only 2/3rds of the way through 3, but it's another excellent episode.
 
 
PatrickMM
19:02 / 26.04.07
I just finished rewatching the first chunk of the season, and was surprised at how well it played. I was pretty underwhelmed by the second half the first time through, but knowing where it was going, it felt a lot better. The stuff with Christopher and Julianna in 'Kaisha' in particular was so sad and beautiful, I couldn't appreciate the first time through when I was expecting something big for the season finale.

But, I would still agree that the first chunk of this closing season has been much stronger and more focused. The first two episodes were masterpieces, and the third was strong as well. It's tough having to wait the week, and watching each episode, I'm always left wanting just a little more.
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:28 / 10.05.07
4 and 5 have been and gone. 4 was perhaps a little weak, felt a little sluggish, and I can't even remember a great deal about it. 5 was excellent. The two Tony's meeting up in the drive way, jr being in, being his dad, being deseased with the same genes as Tony. It is coming along still as one of the tightest seasons to date still, and with more than half of it finished!
 
 
PatrickMM
19:44 / 10.05.07
Yeah, four was pretty off, probably the most poorly executed episode in the series. It just felt like something from a different show. However, five was a huge comeback, really tight and exciting. At this point in the series, it legitimately feels like anything could happen, and that's a good place to be. I'm pretty confident things will end in a satisfying way.
 
 
matthew.
17:55 / 11.05.07
I'm not sure how much I like this season. I'm not feeling any... ending coming. Christopher fighting with Paulie and then falling of the wagon has a kind of been there done that feel to it.

Watching Tony tell Melfi about AJ is pretty much the most selfless I've ever seen him. For someone with so much anger and hatred of the world, it's nice to see him open himself up.

FYI, Melfi has been criminally underused in the past two seasons.
 
 
Red Concrete
00:06 / 15.05.07
I would have agreed, matt, but i definitely feel an ending coming now. Chris's issues in the recent episodes, and throughout, led to the context of the crash, and informed Tony's actions. Shocking but well placed at the start of the episode, and IMHO realistically portrayed.

I thought the peyote scenes were well handled. Even though, being European, I've no experience with that particular substance, I expect that it is going to lay bare some parts of Tony that he hasn't confronted or even recognised before. I found myself wondering hard how it will all end. Is Tony an average run-of-the-mill thug like all his flunkeys (except maybe Chris)? There are flashes of insight from him throughout the series that make me think he sometimes gets a twinge of "this isn't right" in his life (although it does feel a little like author intrusion when it happens). But even so, would that mean that he has to have a more noble or more dignified fate than what you might expect of a mobster? I'm entranced.

About Melfi, I'm beginning to suspect she might be part of Tony's downfall. When did she, somewhat unexpectedly, agree to take Tony back as a patient (many seasons ago I suspect)? This episode he came pretty close to outright admission of at least witnessing of crimes in front of her, and not just in the dream sequence.
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:36 / 15.05.07
I thought that was excellent - some great parralels (sorry can't spell this morning) both Tony and AJ just having enough of the world - the beautiful sunrise contrasted with the destruction of beauty - Phil looking more and more like an out of place and time old time gangster (even going back to the Frank Sinatra stories from earlier make him look dated) and just the sheer relaxed and matter of fact way that Tony 'disposed' of something that was causing him hassle in his life. Both Soprano boys are becoming self aware in a way that is beyond them and out of place with their worlds - which should make it interesting when they decide to go head to head with those above them or if they choose to vanish away into nothingness.
 
 
PatrickMM
18:10 / 16.05.07
That episode was really phenomenal, particularly the way Tony's trip to, and in, Vegas connects with the Kevin Finnerty dream he had earlier in the season. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what it is he gets at the end of the episode? Throughout the Finnerty sequence, the flashing light was connected with death, so is he made aware of his own mortality here? Or is it more that he cuts through to the true nature of reality, his own role as a murderer?

I think the critical thing here is that for the first time in the series, he doesn't seem to be having any internal conflict about what's going on. Since the beginning, it's been the stress of the job, of living up to his mother's expectations that sent him to therapy. In this moment, that's all gone, and maybe he's realized that it doesn't matter.
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:52 / 24.05.07
Superb - the tooth in the turn up, the rope being too long to do the job "Don't rule out stupidity!". I loved the ending from "you're standing at the precipice of a crossroads" all the way through to the voice coming from the window - I did grimace in the bite the curb moment, but mainly this was an excellent, strong, character episode.
 
 
matthew.
01:22 / 25.05.07
I think a lot of "mainstream" television critics are complaining about the ending, how the show is limping towards its conclusion. Anybody else agree?

I would disagree. I think the show is as strong as it ever was. Now that we've invested so much time and effort, the show begins to reward us with more complex symbols and "callbacks" to previous episodes. If you've forgotten a detail from Season two, you're screwed. Especially with the last episode there, with AJ's identification with the poem "The Second Coming" by Yeats. This isn't the first time AJ has had deep nihilistic and misanthropic feelings in connection with a poem. Previously, it was Robert Frost, whose oft-misinterpreted poem about death and paths not taken. AJ listens to a song about drowning on his stereo while he ponders the end, and later, he fucks up his own suicide. Did he really want to?

A superb example of how literary this show is that at the end of "The Second Coming", there's a beast slouching towards Bethlehem. I enjoyed at the end of the episode when Tony slouches into the hospital and awkwardly touches a son that he hates and is disappointed in. This isn't the first time that Tony has expressed hatred towards AJ (both times in therapy). But what kills me is that the reference to "beast slouching towards Bethlehem" has another meaning: the world's first psychiatric hospital was called Bethlehem. Wikipedia pointed out that neat little fact for me about the psychiatric hospital.

The other example I'm really digging is Christopher's death. They're driving along, listening to The Departed soundtrack, playing a live version (with The Band) of Comfortably Numb. Fucking perfect. Here we have a multifaceted reference to Christopher, to Tony, to the cops-n-robbers genre. Christopher is trying to get as Comfortably numb as possible, to ease the constant pain and the constant struggling. Tony is looking for a way to make his life easier, to be that stoic hero with the square jaw and the resistance to "hysterics" or frightful emotion. Previously, Tony claimed that he wanted to be the cowboy icon, the Gary Cooper "strong silent type". He's disappointed in himself for being this blubbery emotional wreck, someone his father would have disapproved of. He wants to be numb and just go with it. Tony is so child-like: his fascination with animals (whether this be a father instinct or a wide-eyed fascination with nature), he plays with his food, his fear of terrorist groups.

I could go on and on and on. I'm digging these last 18 episodes so much. There's just so much intertextuality and denseness and the structure is so crystalline.

I wasn't engaging emotionally with the show in seasons 4 and 5, but that was because it was competing with Six Feet Under, a show that fights with your emotions still the bitter end. The Sopranos was more stimulating intellectually, but now I find I want to know where Tony is going. I said before that the most satisfying ending to this show will be Tony making a good decision and showing major character development. But I think the show is going to end with nothing happening. Life goes on (a sort of anti-Six Feet Under ending.). He'll walk to the end of the driveway and pick up the paper and that'll be the end. What do you Barbeloids think?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:00 / 25.05.07
It's a really annoying show. I get no sense of progression from it, for all that James Gandolfini is making sure to wheeze whenever the boom mic is near by. There's lots of character work, I did like the episode where the wedding of Jonnie Sack's daughter effectively destroys him in front of his capo's, but I was hoping for some evidence of mental ramifications for Tony of killing his cousin at the end of the last season but, like with Pussy, it's never mentioned at all. With the exception of Adriana being killed and Carmela taking Tony back you could skip from seasons four to six without missing anything out, and season six could be edited down to one episode in terms of stuff that matters.

This is not all the fault of the show. The 'next episode' bumpers at the end of each episode of season five made out that the next episode would have full scale mob warfare breaking out.

I haven't watched any of the episodes of the last season yet. But yes, I'm also expecting nothing much to happen, in the hopes of being pleasantly surprised.
 
 
Benny the Ball
06:14 / 25.05.07
It is character driven, for sure, but as said above there are moments that tie stuff back to early said and dones which really pay off for long term viewing. I do like the little touches -the fact that deaths or attempted murders tend to relate to characters and their roles together - Tony calling cousin Tony wierd looking and shooting him in the face, Tony complaining about Uncle Jr giving him ulcers, and then getting shot in the stomache, Chris, whose nose has always gotten mentions from everyone, getting pinched in the nose - it's not so much the progression as the little character tics that ring truer for me.
 
 
matthew.
09:03 / 25.05.07
but I was hoping for some evidence of mental ramifications for Tony of killing his cousin at the end of the last season but, like with Pussy, it's never mentioned at all

Big Pussy's death was a major "haunt" for Tony in two different seasons. His guilt was manifested in dreams about the pier, about fish heads (which relate to his first ever panic attack), and in how he deals with Angie, Pussy's wife. He takes out his anger and frustration on her, but relents and feels guilty about it. He'd never admit, as much, not even to Melfi. He almost boasts about it to Melfi, further proving Elliot's theory that talk therapy serves to encourage the sociopath.
 
 
matthew.
02:59 / 29.05.07
Apparently there's a major death in the next episode. Care to guess? I couldn't... well maybe... perhaps Phil Leotardo?
 
 
matthew.
02:51 / 04.06.07
Only one more to go.

Quick thought before I go to bed:

what a neat little character thing, with AJ watching military footage on PBS, but he's watching contemporary footage, while his father has his obsession with WW2-era footage.

If I had to sum up season six, part two, it'd be The Father and The Son.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:37 / 04.06.07
Bobby's death was sad. Sil's gunfight was very awkward, and kind of pissed me off, cause he "deserved" a little bit better than that, I think. Not like he is a hero, but he is marginally honorable...

Are we taking on bets on Tony's fate? My vote is: lose everything, go to jail for life, lives with death of his friends and loss of way of life.

That slimeball Paulie will walk away, I'm guessing.
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:29 / 05.06.07
I do like the little touches -the fact that deaths or attempted murders tend to relate to characters and their roles together.

God help Paulie Walnuts, then.

Spec: Tony flips into Witness Protection (no way he can settle with the five nyc families) and becomes/takes the name of "Kevin Finnerty" from s6eps1+2.

Too obvious, isn't it?
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:33 / 05.06.07
but I was hoping for some evidence of mental ramifications for Tony of killing his cousin at the end of the last season but, like with Pussy, it's never mentioned at all

One of the great tricks of this show is that we keep getting suckered, again and again, into thinking of Tony as human.

He's not. He's bestial, evil, wily and unredeemable (and fascinating and sympathetic, sort of).

I don't think he cares about Tony B or Christopher. After he went through the motions of guilt with Big Pussey, he knew the terrain. I'm with Melfi: Tony is an opportunistic sociopath.
 
 
Benny the Ball
06:15 / 05.06.07
Tony isn't against the five families though - just Phil. Phil's proved to be stubbon, perhaps not a great earner? Plus the other families are tied up with their own stuff, no body earns when this sort of thing happens. Agree that Paulie is bullet proof as a character, he'll be pissed if he finds out that Phil was only interested in the top three and he wasn't there.
 
 
sleazenation
16:32 / 05.06.07
Paulie, bulletproof? I wonder, what if The series ends with Tony alone, with all his key friends dead around him...
 
 
matthew.
17:35 / 05.06.07
I don't think he cares about Tony B or Christopher. After he went through the motions of guilt with Big Pussey, he knew the terrain. I'm with Melfi: Tony is an opportunistic sociopath.

I sort of disagree on some points. Melfi's swayed by one study, but she's never liked Tony. She sees an opportunity to get rid of him. She's been looking for a study that tells her Tony is a sociopath. After one study, she dumps him?

I think the only place that Tony is honest is in Melfi's office, and even there, half of it is lies. Tony believes he wants to be the strong silent type. He's genuinely hurt and insulted with "Cleaver". He can't stop dreaming about Big Pussy.

Tony gets a little more of the "big picture" after Chris' death. He cares. But he's also really really really selfish. He cares after his birds, but they consistently disappoint him. One of Tony's major flaws is that he can't seem to recalibrate his expectations of what family means and what his family's actions will be. He conflates the strong silent type, Gary Cooper, with this stoic hero that everybody looks up to. The people that look up to Tony the most are the ones that disappoint him the most.

I think it's a major mistake to think that Tony is a sociopath, that he isn't human. He's opportunistic to a fault, but he still loves his family.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:11 / 05.06.07
I think it's a major mistake to think that Tony is a sociopath, that he isn't human. He's opportunistic to a fault, but he still loves his family.

Does he? There was a time where I felt like Tony was at some level honorable, but as time goes on, he is continually shown to be concerned only with his status, what people think of him, and his way of life. When he beat up the mobster for his lurid remarks to Meadow, wasn't it mostly because it was an insult towards Tony and not that his daughter was victimized? He doesn't want AJ to be a "man" because he feels for his son, but because he is ashamed. He seems concerned about being viewed as a failure or weak man through the actions of his family, and not particularly concerned about his family's various issues.

This is completely influenced by his mother's treatment of him, obviously. He's trying to be his father, like most sons, but had a lifetime of being told he wasn't by his mother.

I feel less and less pity for Tony as time goes on, I guess. Perhaps that was by design? Start the show by showing this flashy, intense, in control gangster, put him through some things where you start to feel pity. But then show how his man cannot bring himself to change and slowly deconstruct all of his pros until only the cons are left (no pun intended).
 
 
sleazenation
22:14 / 05.06.07
Hmmm - is it a coincidence that members of the Soprano organisation who have killed people in this miniseason have all ended up dead/in a coma?
 
 
Benny the Ball
05:35 / 06.06.07
Yeah, again with the morality of it.

It's interesting that Bobby, although obviously following a pattern, died because he wasn't doing what he usually does (it happens just after Tony says everyone must change their patterns) - in this season he has killed someone, which he never did before, and he was being incredibly ungangster at the moment of death.

I love all the imagery of the last two episodes though - the doors closing, Phil shouting from behind the curtain.

I'm not even trying to predict the ending anymore, just simply enjoying it as it runs.
 
 
PatrickMM
05:34 / 07.06.07
I feel less and less pity for Tony as time goes on, I guess. Perhaps that was by design?

I think a lot of it comes out of the fact that Chase always meant for him to be morally ambiguous, but people got so wrapped up in the fantasy aspects of the show: hurt the people you don't like, work out of a strip club, fuck any woman you want and still have a home life that they overlooked his morally treacherous actions. Look at the pilot, the scene where he pulls up to the office building and beats that guy up is basically wish fulfillment for the middle age viewer who is that guy going to the office.

Because people got so enraptured by this, he had to become particularly harsh on the character this season so people would see him for what he really is. The Adrianna thing was the tipping point for a lot of viewers, and Chase used that to his advantage, to show how morally corroded Tony really is. He was haunted by Pussy, but he just accepts Adrianna as someone who had to go. He's become so numb to it. I particularly love how his entire reaction to Christopher's death was trying to get someone to say that it was for the best. The only moment when he's shown real vulnerability is when AJ tried to kill himself, that prompted him to say that he would give anything to make AJ better, of course, his idea of better or normal isn't exactly traditional.

I still feel for Tony through a lot of these episodes and do find him relatable, even though he's clearly not someone I'd want to meet up with in real life. I think the genius of this season is showing that, contrary to Melfi's study, he can feel real sadness, and yet, that doesn't make him any less of a sociopath.
 
 
Benny the Ball
08:00 / 07.06.07
I think that's pretty spot on. He's a bully, but remains the hero of the show through the proxy of having antogonists that are just plain worse than him - every season has found someone that is either a nasty peice of work, or so annoying as to justify the wishfulfillment of being at some level like Tony. His mum was a pain, Janice was a pain (one of my favourite defining moments though was when Janice was going really well with her anger management, and Tony just couldn't take it, so he wound her up until she flipped, and then walked off grinning into the sunset - a bully!), Ralp was horrible - Phil is proving to be the most evil character in the show, just plain petty and nasty.

I know the programme has its flaws, but it's been consistently strong, excellently written and sublimly acted - I don't think (or hope not!) I hero worship Tony, but that hasn't stopped me from feeling for him on occasion too.

I loved the AJ scene this episode, where he tries the nice approach, but then just can't be bothered anymore and drags him out of bed.
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:53 / 08.06.07
Tony isn't against the five families though - just Phil. Phil's proved to be stubbon, perhaps not a great earner? Plus the other families are tied up with their own stuff, no body earns when this sort of thing happens.

Phil is the head of one of the five. The NJ operation is a small subsidary of that NY operation. Tony can't possibly just whack Phil - which I think is no longer possible - without permission from on high (on of the other four family heads).
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:56 / 08.06.07
I think that's pretty spot on. He's a bully, but remains the hero of the show through the proxy of having antogonists that are just plain worse than him - every season has found someone that is either a nasty peice of work, or so annoying as to justify the wishfulfillment of being at some level like Tony.

We are forced to see the others as worse because it's not their show, It's Tony's. His actions are just as abominable as any of the other murderous thugs on the show. Vitto seemed damned scary till we saw his personal side.

I would not call him the hero of the show, just the protagonist. His choices are finally catching up to him.
 
 
matthew.
11:27 / 10.06.07
Tonight's the night.

61 minutes.

Written and directed by David Chase.

"Made in America" is the title.

Fuck I hope it's awesome. As awesome (but different) as the Six Feet Under finale.
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:25 / 10.06.07
My computer has chosen this week to die - so will have to use someone elses machine to get a copy of the episode...

I have a friend that has never seen the show, so starting again from scratch straight away,
 
 
PatrickMM
17:28 / 10.06.07
I find it odd that a lot of articles are talking about the many loose ends that Chase has left across the series. I feel like this season has brought things pretty tight and resolved most things in a pretty satisfying way. While I'm sure there will be a lot of uncertain futures after this episode, it won't be that tough to provide a meaningful conclusion. Hell, with a few more minutes, last week's episode could have been a satisfying series finale, in the vein of the last episode of Angel.
 
  

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