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Getting Hallucinogenic Drugs

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:37 / 30.03.06

If you're not on them...um. Beware. They might get paranoid about you or worry that you're mocking them.

15:42 / 30.03.06

Well unless they're taking a huge dose they shouldn't really need one, but picture yourself as a child's entertainer (though not, crucially, Ronald McDonald or Barney the Dinosaur - this will terrify them,) and just keep them supplied with music, wine and other treats.

And if they get to be a bit of a handful, sit them down in front of Apocalypse Now or Fantasia, and there shouldn't be a problem.

All Acting Regiment

15:52 / 30.03.06

Aye, I'm going to have them listen to Funkadelic.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

16:35 / 30.03.06

Be prepared to make a LOT of tea.

Back when I was doing lots of acid, we kind of had it figured out so that most times we tripped, there'd be one person there who wasn't doing acid but was instead on pills or speed- we'd be too fucked to do anything complicated, while they'd be filled with energy and the desire to do nice things for their friends- making tea, skinning up, etc. It worked a treat.

unheimlich manoeuvre

17:09 / 30.03.06

Yeah lots of tea and water. Fruit juice is good too.

If their taking large doses and/or it's some peoples first time, might be an idea to designate a safe room.

"Right, we're going to the Woods. No matter what happens the living room is safe. We'll have a nice cup of tea when we get back."

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

17:10 / 30.03.06

Also, don't use a capital "W" for "woods". That'll REALLY freak them out.

17:13 / 30.03.06

You know, this wasn't an issue when I was in my phase, but cell phones -- you might consider either collecting these NIGHTMARE DEVICES or at least making sure they're off and they stay off. And either keeping close to the phone in your HQ or else leaving it off the hook altogether.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

17:16 / 30.03.06

And of course (apologies for the self-pimping) when taking psychoactive drugs, stay away from Norwegian black metal.

A fall of geckos

18:00 / 30.03.06

I would caution against using Apocalypse Now as it's a little intense and instead suggest The Fifth Element.

18:06 / 30.03.06

Stoat: You're not meant ingest animal tranquilsers after boozing heavily.

Not meant to sound bitchy but they don't mix. I know a man who may have done that once, and he may have suffered horribly.

18:22 / 30.03.06

It seems obvious but if it's an out-and-about type misadventure be very careful of them when crossing streets. The second to last time I did acid, while running across the street I stopped to ask "What's not the billboard?" and nearly got hit by a car.
So, er yes, treat them like children but importantly also like children who are fucked off their faces on hallucinogens.

18:36 / 30.03.06

You used to be able to get mushrooms across counter in alot of places in Ireland. They've been banned for about two months now. *sigh*

For those lamenting the idiocy of the UK government in deciding that mushrooms are as deadly as heroin (classifying them as hard drugs is rather like classfying lemonade shandy as hard liquor), a loophole still exists. Clause 21 does not cover the purchase or import of mushroom spore, since it contains none of the active chemicals mentioned in the clause.

So you can purchase ready made growbricks from here, along with an attractive propagator to keep them in, without fear of breaking any law. Of Just be careful should the conditions in the propagator accidentally result in an unexpected outbreak of mushrooms.

18:47 / 30.03.06

Legba, just prepare yourself in advance for the possibility that something might go terribly wrong tonight... and if it does, don't blame youself, man! It won't be your fault, no-one forced them to take those drugs.

Unless you've been forcing your friends to take drugs. Which would be an unexpectedly dark twist to this tale.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

22:13 / 30.03.06

Illmatic... yeah, I know that NOW...

Ignore Gecko. Apocalypse Now is the BEST movie for hallucinogens. Or beer. Or sobriety. (I am frightened by the amount of times I've watched that film tripping. It's literally in the hundreds).

Not Redux, though. The French plantation bit is shit, and the other scenes add depth to Willard as a character which you really don't need.

All Acting Regiment

23:26 / 30.03.06

Well well well. Nothing muc hwas happening, the guys and girls were just sitting around fiddling with instruments and stuff. I went out to get a drink, came back in, and...

"SNAAAKE! SNAAAAAKES! TWOO OFFF THEEEMM!"

...screamed one guy, looking at a toy wooden snake on the wall and at me. Then one of them ran past wrapped in a curtain.

"Me knees are hurting! They're playing the bass! Aaaoow, shaking like a fucking beetle..."

Then we got a phone call from some guys who'd been around before but who'd gone to Spar for more rizlas and a pizza. This group hadn't actually been on anything stronger than beer, but it seems after a piggy back and a fall one of them's in hospital with chipped teeth. Now that's obviously horrible for him, but when they rang up the shroomers to tell them...it made things worse.

They're all asleep now, though.

23:56 / 30.03.06

Ha, that seems, I don't know, so hilariously typical, somehow?

05:57 / 31.03.06

Legba: stories of various antics

Legba, I'm curious as to the strain and amount your friends took, given their reactions. Pretty much all of my shrooming has been very subdued physically, largely with me just sitting/lying in one position whilst my mind leaps about.

And another vote for Apocalypse Now when tripping; it's a great film. Starship Troopers is also an excellent movie to watch whilst under the influence.

12:06 / 31.03.06

stoatie - I totally agree, I first saw Apocalypse Now when tripping, and it was amazing. I started watching it by accident, just as the trip was getting heavy, and some bits, especially the bit at night in that fucked up camp with all the explosions... well, that was good. Dark films are pretty fun on halucinogens but one word of warning - don't watch the Day After Tommorow. That film was so bleak I was actually considering suicide half-way through it. I cheered myself up afterwards by watching My Neighbor Totorro. That was better.

Oh, and Tez, thanks for the heads up on the spores! I'm going to have to get myself some of those, it's been ages since I've gotten really messy. Psilocybin as a class-A though, it makes me sick. What kind of world are we living in where the people in power can just lie and bullshit so much about things they, in all likelihood, have never even tried. Bah! BAH!!!

12:12 / 31.03.06

Tez - next time ytou're tripping, just stand up and try to dance. You may well boke all over your carpet, but it's usually very cool. I'm usually the same and I feel as sluggish as the eponymous invertebrate, but I find if I actually y'know, move about and stuff, it feels better than I could've imagined. I like walking around like Hunter in Fear and Loathing, all massive legs stepping over tiny villages, or trying to play 'Pat-a-cake' with my partner (very funny, I usually end up getting hit in the face). I usually eat Thai or Mexicana Cubensis btw.

Argh, I want to get mashed up so bad! Bloody laws...

All Acting Regiment

12:24 / 31.03.06

Tez- to be honest I think there was a bit of pretense going on with the guy running round in the curtain. The snake guy was saying "snaaake" really slowly.

12:41 / 31.03.06

Only time I ever did over the counter mushrooms I ended up going through several circles of hell and thinking I was growing huge muscular wings enveloping the whole room, which is a fun story to tell afterwards but truly horrible at the time.

Otherwise I've had great times on mushrooms, could only find them when they were still legal at any rate. Once me and my friends took them on the local castle mound, some overgrown ruins, then went down into Cambridge and found ourselves a punt. This was at the time of all the mayballs and we were lucky enough to be passing by a few on a river. Just after we came up we heard the drumming and found on the banks of the river a group of African drummers complete with two fire-eaters. There was a crowd on thye other side of the river watching them, but we could just sit in the boat right underneath their performance believing we'd been transported into a scene out of, you guessed it, Apocalypse Now.

I have never been so happy, which was only added to when my friends launched into a chorus of 'Hunting Tigers' by the Bonzos. I got my own theme song that night as well, but that's a whole nother thing entirely.

15:33 / 31.03.06

Argh, I want to get mashed up so bad! Bloody laws..

These guys sell the same sort of thing, but from the UK, meaning you could probably get stock quicker. I've no idea how much of an accidental harvest you might accidentally get from their products, though.

19:38 / 31.03.06

when they rang up the shroomers to tell them...it made things worse.

There's nothing good that comes from phones! Nothing!

Phex: Dorset Doom

22:43 / 31.03.06

Every time I've taken 'shrooms in a decent enough quantity they've given me a really bad stomach ache, which usually brings me down into a evil death-trip thingy (y'know, tunnels of eyes dissolving my soul, the usual). What's the best way to avoid this? Antacid tablets? Tea? Karma?

Phex: Dorset Doom

22:49 / 31.03.06

Every time I've taken 'shrooms in a decent enough quantity they've given me a really bad stomach ache, which usually brings me down into a evil death-trip thingy (y'know, tunnels of eyes dissolving my soul, the usual). What's the best way to avoid this? Antacid tablets? Tea? Karma?

All Acting Regiment

00:59 / 01.04.06

I've heard that smoking weed can ease the nausea. And, er, tic-tacs are good too.

All Acting Regiment

00:59 / 01.04.06

P.S.

They might make you poo.

09:20 / 01.04.06

What's the best way to avoid this?

Well, actually not taking them any more will probably help.

If you are set on taking shrooms, try lowering your dosage a little, or perhaps trying a different strain. B+ tend to be fairly mild, as do Koh Samui. Amount wise, you should be more than able to have fun on 1.5 - 2 grams (dryweight) without incapacitating yourself too badly.
Don't eat them on a full stomach, since having food in your belly really can make the nausea worse, and try not to have any alcohol in your system. Beer and mushrooms do not make you look cool, kids.
Other than that, I've found that closing your eyes can help, since part of the nausea is caused by the perceptual distortions when tripping.

19:21 / 04.04.06

Great programme on Radio 4 right now about therapeutic initatives involving LSD, mushrooms and ectasty.

19:25 / 04.04.06

... which has revealed to me that Albert Hoffman is still alive!! And was recently speaking at a conference on drugs in Sweden on his 100th birthday! Who says acid ain't good for ya!

19:32 / 04.04.06

Oh, it was All in the MindIt's repeated tomorrow, 4.30-5pm.

Very postive actually, surprising.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

19:48 / 04.04.06

I've heard that smoking weed can ease the nausea.

This has always been the case for me. I try to make sure I have at least a little bud whenever I trip. Keeps me mellow, makes my stomach feel much better. Very important these days, because for some reason Detroit acid always makes me vomit initially.

If you have no marijuana, no way of getting marijuana, or no desire to smoke marijuana, taking a bath helps. Something about being suspended in water eases the nausea. That's what I did when the mescalin trip went bad. Downside: five hours in a tub gives you wrinkly skin.

20:23 / 04.04.06

Illmatic, Hoffmann was speaking in Switzerland, not in Sweden. At his age, he doesn´t travel much anymore.

20:39 / 04.04.06

Whoops, my bad.

unheimlich manoeuvre

22:22 / 04.04.06

Phex - What's the best way to avoid this? Antacid tablets? Tea? Karma?

We used to make mushroom omelette to make them more palatable so not sure about Tez's advice to take them on an empty stomach. Definitely avoid lager and other fizzy drinks though. Yeah I got nausea but it always passed quickly.

Cheers Illmatic that Radio 4 programme was enlightening.
Cannot believe they'd prescribe people LSD in the 50 and 60's in the UK without telling it what it was. "Here drink this and sit in this white room on your own." Frightening

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