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Wrecks City-Zen
18:12 / 20.02.02
Click on the rune name to view threads:

Freya's Aett
1.Fehu
2.Uruz
3.Thurisaz
4.Ansuz
5.Raidho
6.Kenaz
7.Gebo
8.Wunjo
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Heimdall's Aett
9.Hagalaz
10.Naudhiz
11.Isa
12.Jera
13.Eihwaz
14.Perthro
15.Algiz
16.Sowilu
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Tyr's Aett
17.Tiewaz
18.Berkana
19.Ehwaz
20.Mannaz
21.Laguz
22.Inguz
23.Othila
24.Dagaz


(Modded to add: This thread is for discussion of the Elder Futhark. For other runes, see here.)
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
22:33 / 24.02.02
Thanks for the indexing Rex!
 
 
Ground Zero
19:58 / 27.02.02
We missed you Lothar.

[ 27-02-2002: Message edited by: Ground Zero ]
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
20:42 / 27.02.02
Ah shucks! Here... Maple Walnut Fudge for everyone. Straight from Calgary, eh.
 
 
Ground Zero
18:15 / 05.03.02
Just pushing er back up to the top- no sense in an index if no one can see it...
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
19:54 / 08.03.02
You know what bothers me about Barbelith?
<<<taps on microphone...testing...testing>>>

Topics like this always start off strong and then for some reason, Lord knows why, each following thread receives less and less responses. Look @ the tarot threads... To start we had twenty or so responses but by the end, each card was receiving only a handful...

Does Barbelith suffer from ADD?

This place is about sharing our knowledge ( I can't say that word here anymore...LOL) Please try to participate more.

(erm...including myself...)

THANKS ALL!!
 
 
Rev. Wright
14:26 / 12.03.02
Personally I've set out to ingest each rune, one a week, on a cake. Then by living the rune during said period I have been posting by intuition. I know Lothar has sped up the runes to 3 a week, but I'm still holding my pace.
 
 
pacha perplexa
14:44 / 12.03.02
Thanks, Rex! </adjusts cozy blanket on shoulders, gets mug with blueberry tea and starts to read threads>
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:58 / 12.03.02
I hope I did not offend on my previous post... I feel that this is a collection of some of the best minds on this planet and that together, if we all participate, we can creat an total magic overview that has yet to have been achieved in history. We all hold pieces f information and these symbols move and speak to each of us in different ways...it would be nice to hold a compleat set of meanings for these mysteries(including the tarot..).
Anywayz...sorry if I came off as rude.
BTW Check this out, in case you missed it...The Runecaster Software

[ 13-03-2002: Message edited by: Civus Rex ]
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
19:54 / 14.03.02
Me again...this was posted in Policy regarding the tarot/rune threads... quote:Might there be a way to have some sort of library section for such project threads? It could be as simple as a read-only forum with similar index posts, or something more complex like an itty-bitty sidebar with a listing of those threads. The middle of the screen has a standard thread listing and then off to the left in teeny type, "Barbalith Tarot," "Chaos Magic FAQ," and so forth.

I have no idea how to go about making this happen other than to petition you lot...

Make your voices heard! This is a great project that deserves to continue indefinatley with access for all!!

If you agree, say so!
 
 
Gek
19:12 / 18.03.02
Lothar-
Have you stopped with the threads or are you just giving everyone a chance to catch up?
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
22:06 / 18.03.02
Just giving everyone a chance to catch up.

I'll post the Isa in the next few days.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
16:20 / 19.03.02
Excellent...
 
 
grant
13:32 / 28.03.02
Bumping this up and requesting an add (maybe in a separate post) of this thread and other rune-related subjects.
 
 
Papess
03:05 / 10.04.02
Just a thank you to Lothar and Rex for this library and also to those who contributed their vision. I have found this most helpful for refernce, all the various perspectives. I know nothing about runes and I am slowly learning about them to round out my practice. These threads have been a great help.

Thanks everyone!
 
 
cusm
14:44 / 10.04.02
Got it, I think. Looks like ultimatebb.cgi isn't mapping topic numbers right today.
 
 
Papess
14:52 / 10.04.02
Thank you cusm
 
 
cusm
14:29 / 24.09.02
Just 2 more to go... Come on, guys, put in your dibs on these. They're starting to get a little thin. I've got to catch up on them myself, for that matter.
 
 
cusm
16:40 / 17.10.02
Ok, this old debate again. Anyone have compelling arguments on which rune to end with, Othila or Dagaz? I'm indexing it as it comes keeping with Will's schedule for now, but this is a good place to mention any ideas on it.
 
 
Rev. Wright
20:36 / 23.10.02
I go with what I have learnt and experience, DAGAZ is last. You can always argue with Frya Aswynn if you like or the others that share her point.

Last one posted. Ingestion about to take place tomorrow.
 
 
Rev. Wright
20:43 / 23.10.02
J. M. Kimble in Anglo-Saxon Runes (by Anglo-Saxon Books (UK) uses the rune poem from Hickes' Thesaurus dated 1703-5, which lists DAEG (Dagaz) after EDEL (Othila).
 
 
cusm
20:47 / 23.10.02
Woo! Actual historic evidence! Thanks, Will. I haven't seen much myself to support it, though I tend to agree with dagaz being last on a purely instinctive level.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
20:50 / 14.07.03
I threw a version of this index into the wiki here... there's no real formatting, or introduction other than Rex's original call to action, so I welcome any changes or prettifying.
 
 
grant
18:10 / 28.04.05
OK, I'm starting looking into runes again, and I have to ask -- up top, we've got the third aett, Tyr's Aett starting with the B and not with the T -- it's starting with womanly Berkana and not manly Tyr, who the Aett is named for after all.

Why is that?

I'm getting info from this Rune of the Month series of articles, so if this writer's off target, I'd like to know. But it sounds reasonable to me.


Also, is there some specific theme to the third Aett? Like the first is "domestic influences," the second is "natural forces" -- what's the third? "Magic stuff"?
 
 
grant
18:22 / 28.04.05
I found This collection of the rune poems, all three versions -- Anglo-Saxon, Icelandic and Norse -- as well as some interesting side material.
 
 
Sekhmet
18:35 / 28.04.05
up top, we've got the third aett... starting with womanly Berkana... Why is that?

I always wondered about that too.

I'm also not entirely clear on why we placed Dagaz at the end rather than Othila. Isn't that a Freya Aswynn innovation? Why not go with the more traditional order?
 
 
grant
18:42 / 28.04.05
Oh, and is anyone up for doing the last "optional" five runes, only in the Anglo-Saxon alphabet?
 
 
grant
18:44 / 28.04.05
Actually the "Rune of the Month" guy puts Dagaz at the end, too. If I got his explanation remembered right, the oldest known Futhark inscription ends with Othila, but there are a lot more ancient inscriptions that end with Dagaz, and it seems to fit, 24 being the hours in the day.
I'm not sure if Vikings had "hours", but I suppose since *we* do, it does make some sense.
 
 
Sekhmet
19:04 / 28.04.05
Hm. My understanding was that all the ancient sources placed Othila last. Perhaps not.

I admit there is some aesthetic tidiness to having Dagaz at the end... I just don't much like the idea of jerking ancient systems around to suit modern aesthetics, if such were the case.

If not, then Bob's our uncle.
 
 
grant
20:04 / 28.04.05
Lemme double check to see if I read the guy right.

Oh, and I'm swapping Tyr and Berkana around on the wiki index. I can't find *that* order (B before T) in *any* listing.
 
 
grant
20:12 / 28.04.05
Oo -- I was a little off. He sticks Othila last, too, but says his teachers (who he sort of idolizes) put Dagaz last.

The pertinent excerpt from his thang:

Other than the twenty-third and twenty-fourth runes, the order of the Futhark is fixed. In ONE inscription, Eihwaz and Perthro switch places, but this does not effect modern runework. In yet another inscription, Fehu has eroded away and from this unfortunate natural accident arose the runic “sect” of Utharkers, which are, alas, numerous in Sweden. Their viewpoints have no historical basis.

Here are the comments of my friend and linguistic consultant, Ingeborg S. Norden, on the ordering of the last two runes of the Elder Futhark, quoted as always by her gracious permission. She took them from writings of her own; I have only changed some capitalization to conform with my own usage:

“Many rune scholars have debated whether this rune or Dagaz should be counted as the twenty-fourth. Historical evidence exists for both versions, actually: the Anglo-Saxon rune poem places Dagaz there, but the oldest known Futhark inscription (the Kylver runestone in Sweden) has Othala last. With no way to know which ordering was originally right, the decision seems to be up to us. And I do personally favor placing Othala last, for several reasons.

First, the name of the rune literally means "inheritance" or "ancestral land": it makes good sense for the Futhark to end as it began, with another rune that symbolizes wealth and property. "Land and personal property" were often mentioned together -but still contrasted-in the old laws of Germanic countries; that would support the idea of Fehu and Othala standing at opposite ends of the rune row....

Second, placing a rune of the dead last (because death is the end of at least one lifetime) sounds logical: an inheritance can't change hands until someone dies....Third, Othala can be seen as a boundary marker or enclosure (think of property lines or a fence around someone's yard): beyond that line is unknown, unfamiliar territory....The very end of the Futhark seems like the most logical place for a rune with those aspects.”

Thanks Ingeborg! My own take on the matter is that Othala and Dagaz both work fine as the last rune, but I personally favor Othala, even though the Sheils favor Dagaz. I think it fitting that we wind up returning “home” in the end. Othala is that which is most truly “us.” However my friend Steve Wilson favors Dagaz last in that basically we go “through heritage into the light of day,” which for him is symbolic of enlightenment.


I absolutely love the idea of Utharkers.
 
 
Sekhmet
20:39 / 28.04.05
Utharkers! Yes. Thanks for that, grant!

I agree with some of the reasoning here for placing Othila last; it meets the end of the sequence up with the beginning. Wealth meets wealth, as though the dead are passing on their holdings to the living, accumulating successive generations of power and knowledge in the runes, like a self-charging battery.

Many people do seem to prefer Dagaz, though. No reason to move it in any case.
 
 
grant
21:38 / 28.04.05
So, rune scholar, what does "aett" mean?

And does every rune have a mythological correspondence? Like, Fehu (fire of the sea, path of the serpent) seems like it has something to do with hoardy dragons, and possibly the Midgard Serpent.

Is there something similar going on with each rune? Or am I reading stuff in here which ain't really there?
 
 
mixmage
22:39 / 28.04.05
which came first: Space or Time?

I know it's an oversimplification of both runes, but it resonates with my own feelings toward them. Personally, I prefer to end on Dagaz - daybreak... a sort of "enlightenment" at the end of the cycle.

Also, the shape of Inguz [family line/DNA/RNA] implies that it could continue repeating infinitely along the vertical axis, much like the double helix. Othila seems to be chopped down, static - much like the landmass/sacred enclosure it represents: It's just there, regardless of whether the family survives.

I put the final pair in this order because it reflects my own runic practises: I enter the sacred space and eternity almost simultaneously... but I have to cast the space first.
 
 
mixmage
22:44 / 28.04.05
grant: what you're dealing with are "poetic kennings", each of which make reference to some other associated theme: "Freya's Tears" is a kenning for gold, since she wept tears of gold while searching the nine worlds for her missing human husband. Ice is also known as "Bark of Rivers"... and don't get me started on Odin. More epithets than you could wave a stave at.
 
  

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