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Freedom of the Press versus Islamic Blasphemy

 
  

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Alex's Grandma
10:48 / 13.02.06
But the relativizing of ideologies of ideologies and religions belongs to the liberal theology, and would hardly be persuasive to a Muslim.

Really.

Admittedly, I'm inclined to distrust this character simply because he's a professor of law, but the idea that Islam and 'liberal theology' are, of necessity, mutually exclusive seems a bit much, to say the least. It's a slightly flawed analogy, bringing in as it does the race issue, but still, I wonder if he'd have been allowed to get away with that comment if the word 'Muslim' was replaced by, say, 'Jew.'

This weird obsession that certain right wing elements seem to have with demonising teh Muslims as somehow 'other,' as 'people' who basically can't be reasoned with, is on the hand explicable as a hangover from the war on teh communists, but on the other, really tiring, and destructive, and unnecessary.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
12:17 / 13.02.06
Sorry for misrepresenting your analogy, Legba; I think I kind-of read in an "and therefore these people are being unreasonable" that wasn't really there.

Incidentally, Giblets at Fafblog (the whole world's only source for Fafblog) puts my earlier point somewhat better than I could:

Look at these Muslim fanatics, which Giblets will henceforth refer to as “Muslinatics.” All it took was one insult to their lunatic religion to reduce them to bloodthirsty savages! Well, that and decades of being treated like second-class citizens. But that’s all it takes – just one insult and decades of second-class citizenship! And confinement to poverty-stricken ghettos. Just one insult, decades of second-class citizenship, and confinement to poverty-stricken ghettos! Oh, and the Iraq War. All it takes to get these people to resort to violence is one insult, decades of second-class citizenship, confinement to poverty-stricken ghettos, and a half-assed scheme to bomb them into democracy. Giblets’s point is, these are bloodthirsty savages who kill at the drop of a hat!

And to dispel any idea that might remain that those who attended the "behead the infidels!"-type protest a week or so back represent, well, pretty much anyone, the hundred or so that attended that event were somewhat dwarfed by thousands attending a Unity protest the other day which, according to the account on Lenin's Tomb, also went along "straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back" lines.

Alas, in what way do you think that Fish misrepresents liberalism? I know that in the US the term tends to be used as synonymous with "left" (since the latter became a dirty word?), but I can't see that it's misused in the classical no idea is worth fighting over to the death, "why can't we all just get along?" sense? I'm also not seeing the comparison to Hitchens' position - indeed, I would consider Hitchens to be an archetype of both modern liberalism and the "What's wrong with these people?" line of thought that Fish attacks.

I do see Alex's argument, and agree that Fish's phrasing does make his position appear to claim to represent all Muslims, but I'm inclined to agree with Fish that the free-speech arguments currently espoused by liberals in defence of the cartoons is indeed more than a little patronising and basically missing the point.
 
 
Simplist
20:37 / 15.02.06
Best response yet to Cartoon Apocalypse 2006:

Israeli Publisher Announces Anti-Semitic Cartoon Contest

A Danish paper publishes a cartoon that mocks Muslims. An Iranian paper responds with a Holocaust cartoons contest -- Now a group of Israelis announce their own anti-Semitic cartoons contest!

Eyal Zusman (30), actor and writer, and Amitai Sandy (29), graphic artist and publisher of Dimona Comix Publishing, both from Tel-Aviv, Israel, have followed the unfolding of the "Muhammad cartoon-gate" events in amazement, until finally Zusman came up with the right answer to all this insanity - and so they announced today the launch of a new anti-Semitic cartoons contest - this time drawn by Jews themselves!

"We'll show the world we can do the best, sharpest, most offensive Jew hating cartoons ever published!" said Zusman, and Sandy added: "No Iranian will beat us on our home turf!"

The contest has been announced today on the www.boomka.org website, and the initiators accept submissions of cartoons, caricatures and short comic strips from people all over the world. The deadline is Sunday March 5, and the best works will be displayed in an Exhibition in Tel-Aviv, Israel.

Sandy and Zusman are now in the process of arranging sponsorships of large organizations, and promise lucrative prizes for the winners, including of course the famous Matzo-bread baked with the blood of Christian children.
 
 
bjacques
07:24 / 16.02.06
It would count for more if their cartoons placed high in Ahmadinejad's contest. Punk'd!
 
 
Mistoffelees
13:01 / 17.02.06
Bounty offered on cartoonists

"A Pakistani Muslim cleric and his followers offered rewards amounting to over $1 million for anyone who killed Danish cartoonists who drew caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad that have enraged Muslims worldwide."

That cleric should be arrested on the spot. Anything else can only mean, the Pakistan regime agrees. Words just fail me here.
 
 
Slim
13:26 / 17.02.06
I agree. After the murder of Theo Van Gogh, it's clear that these threats should be taken seriously. If I was the cartoonist, I'd be hiding somewhere in the Ozarks.
 
 
sleazenation
18:03 / 17.02.06
"A Pakistani Muslim cleric and his followers offered rewards amounting to over $1 million for anyone who killed Danish cartoonists who drew caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad that have enraged Muslims worldwide."

That cleric should be arrested on the spot. Anything else can only mean, the Pakistan regime agrees. Words just fail me here.


While I can appreciate the sentiment, your post does leave me asking the question 'do you understand what has gone on in Pakistan in the in the past decade?'

Musharraf, not a completely unproblematic figure seing as he came to power in a coup as a military dictator and has now assumed a veneer of respectability after rewriting the constitution and the election rules to bar many opposition politicians from standing for parliment, is in a rather unenviable position. Quite aside from the recent catastrophic earthquake that has devestated the north of the country, much of the south of the country on the boarder with Afghanistan is not quite as under the control of Musharraf's military as you might expect.

Musharrif is attempting to clamp down on the Madrasses, religious schools that have been linked to radicalization of young impressionable Muslims, but is meeting with very limited success.

Quite simply, quite aside from having great misgivings about Pakistyan's current regime, I have serious doubts over how much Musharrif can do politically or practically about this situation...
 
 
Slim
19:52 / 17.02.06
Musharraf is in a bind, that's for sure. Still, something needs to be done. You can't have clerics calling for murder without any sort of repercussions, especially if it's a very credible threat. If an arrest is out of the question (which it probably is) then what are the chances of a government condemnation? Are there any groups in Pakistan that could safely criticize the clerics that are putting up the bounties?
 
 
Slim
20:00 / 17.02.06
Judging from stories on DAWN, an English language Pakistani paper, reactions seem to be mixed.



Statements like:
"Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal (MMA) chief Qazi Hussain Ahmed accused President General Pervez Musharraf of responding inadequately to the extremely outrageous act and warned that the ongoing protest would turn into an anti-Musharraf movement. He said the president was occupying the army chief’s office for the last nine years without any justification and added that Gen Musharraf too was target of public outrage along with US President Bush."

are a bit worrying, though.
 
 
Axolotl
08:19 / 18.02.06
From my limited knowledge it seems Musharraf has a bit of a balancing act to pull off: While he needs the support of the US and the wider international community, he also needs to maintain the support of the clerics and cannot risk the development of an islamist revolutionary movement in his country.
 
 
Mistoffelees
13:37 / 18.02.06
Now it´s not 1 million $ anymore. An Indian politician, a minister, offers a bounty of 11.5 million $ for killing one of the Danish cartoonists.

India is a democracy, and not a dictatorship like Pakistan. And there´s no balancing act to pull off, and I see no reason, why this minister should stay in office.

"Meanwhile, the state's Principal Home Secretary Alok Sinha said Saturday: "Mere announcement of this kind does not amount to a crime."" What? Offering money for a capital crime is legal?

""I am sure the minister has no intention of inciting communal passions and his statement is not intended to hurt the sentiments of any other community", Sinha said."
 
 
sleazenation
16:22 / 18.02.06
Certainly India has a greater claim to being a more functional democracy than Pakistan, but it's still a long way from a being a fully functioning and vibrant democracy...

While it has universal sufferage, India is also has massive overpopulation and only a 60% literacy rate (lower for women).

There are a lot of small local parties in India, and these smaller parties are increasingly having an impact on national politics through India's numerous coalition governments (IIRC there hasn't been a majority government since the 60s). However, the most prominent parties in recent years have been the INC (which usually led by a member of the Nehru-Gandhi family) and the BJP, a right-wing Hindu Nationalist party.

In addition to this India has an slightly different balencing act to pull off. In recent years there have been increasing ethno-religious tensions between elements of India's Hindu majority population and its large minority muslim population. These tensions have spilled over into violence on numerous occasions...

So, for some local politicians their is milage in playing up religious tensions. And while Indian governments have a vested interest on the country not falling into entho-religious civil war, they are also reliant on smaller parties to maintain their coalitions...

why this minister should stay in office?
Who would have the power to remove him from office?
 
 
Digital Hermes
16:41 / 22.02.06
Just to add a bit from the home front:

Here in Canada, Crown prosecutors have declined to press charges against those printing the cartoon, despite outcry from the muslim communities.

It makes me wonder if, respecting the religions of others as a given, if a general global reality is that sometimes people are going to do things that you don't like, and that you might not be able to keep them from doing it. I don't know. Defintely minimalizing the issue, but also maybe looking at it's core.
 
  

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