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Life On Mars

 
  

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sleazenation
21:41 / 28.03.07
I'm still enjoying Life on Mars but am glad that it's now building towards a definite conclusion...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:50 / 28.03.07
Hum. I was getting some enjoyment out of this series, but then managed to forget it existed and only realised just now that I've not watched it for two weeks. The stupid scheduling games on BBC4 are partly to blame for that, but I'm still quite surprised that the whole thing erased itself from my brain in super-quick time.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:09 / 03.04.07
Just caught my two missing episodes (the wrong way around).

It's still good, but it's becoming increasingly clear that it's not a show that could have sustained a third series - not when the ideas are spread as thin as they have been. Another episode where Sam meets somebody directly related to either himself or a very close personal friend, and that person is either a suspect in, witness to or is questioned in relation to a serious, violent crime - in a city this size, that's stretching my suspension of disbelief to breaking point and demonstrates a serious lack of imagination on the part of the writing team.

With one episode to go and very little to go on beyond some... 'enigmatic' clues when trying to determine how they're going to wrap it up, the worry has to be for another painfully poor final fifty minutes. Toying with the idea of not sticking around for it all, but I can't pull myself away from the lure of a potential car crash.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:54 / 04.04.07
Have to say that I much preferred the "Is Gene Hunt a murderer?" episode to the one where Sam saves his unborn girlfriend from being aborted, or whatever the fuck that was all about.

And how come we have never seen or heard of this conveniently (for plot purposes) Asian girlfriend before, and Sam has never ever mentioned her? Surely she'd be the first person he missed when he realised he was in a coma? Maya was more than a little bit out of the blue.

("Maya, that's a pretty name ... I think if I have a girl I'll call her that!" ARG)
 
 
h1ppychick
09:58 / 04.04.07
She was in the very first episode - I recalled it since I like the actress (Archie Panjabi), from things like Bend It Like Beckham, and she wasn't bad in that otherwise-godawful Russell-Crowe-in-Provence movie. She wasn't invented fresh from whole cloth.
 
 
h1ppychick
10:00 / 04.04.07
IMDB-ing her reminds me that she was also in The Constant Gardener and East is East.
 
 
osymandus
10:07 / 04.04.07
Maya , Hindi/Sanskrit (nt sure) word for Illison, the world as we percieve it .. oh very good .
 
 
The Strobe
10:22 / 04.04.07
So: having watched last night's (penultimate episode)... does anybody feel the conclusion's going to be awfully rushed?

The throwaway line in the lift was a good setup, and the lack of "next week on" was ominous... but I didn't see anything obviously signifying a finale to come.

I agree that it couldn't have sustained a third series - and, to be honest, fun as it is, it's patchy from a dramatic perspective. The fish-out-of-water is fun, but the desperate links to the future are not always as well realised as they could be. (I enjoyed the drugs-overdose one from that standpoint).

Ah well. At least good to put a face to the voice from Hyde, but blimey, that's a lot of wrapping up they've got one episode to do.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
15:44 / 04.04.07
Oh ... I missed the start of the first ep. My bad.
 
 
Feverfew
16:35 / 04.04.07
does anybody feel the conclusion's going to be awfully rushed?


Really really do. Did anyone notice, however, that last night's episode actually had noticeable original background scoring? It's the first time I've genuinely noticed the background music...

I liked it, but the conlusion just seemed too pat for me - then again, with ten minutes to go it wasn't going to be a labyrinthine wander into the underground world of boxing, but, still...

Roll on next week. Unless you're Chris Moyles, who has already seen it. Bastard.
 
 
sleazenation
17:55 / 04.04.07
At the end of this week's episode it looked like Sam was being set up to make a decision - betray Hunt and wake up or chose to stay in 1973 (1974 etc.) for ever...
 
 
Feverfew
18:31 / 04.04.07
I got a really odd flash of intuition last night which will, undoubtedly, turn out to be complete and total bollocks; but I'm going to surround it in spoiler space anyway, out of sheer courtesy.
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What if Gene was driving the car that Sam was hit by in 2006, and is simply sitting by his bed telling him all these stories about how different being a copper was when he was in the force thirty-three years ago? And Sam's subconscious is just integrating them into an ongoing narrative, with the voices of the outside world only turning up when Gene goes outside for a fag or whatever?
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I have no idea why that occurred to me, and if I watched the first episode of season 1 again it probably shows the driver, but still; intuition is intuition, even if it's patently stupid intuition.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
11:32 / 05.04.07
I like the idea of them encountering one another in the modern day/real world, but I'm not sure I want Sam to wake up, to be honest.

I have a basic dread that the last episode (assuming there's not going to be another series) will inevitably disappoint - whether it will be balls-out crackpipe nonsense like the last episode of The Prisoner or just ill-thought-through, underwhelming chaff like the finale of Torchwood I don't know, but somehow I don't think it's going to be pretty.

Basically, I'll be happy if it's at all a good episode in other ways, though - well-written, action-packed, has some sort of internal logic, etc. I don't ask for much, me.
 
 
Triplets
12:57 / 05.04.07
Feverfew, if the last ep turns out to be total puffins that's my unofficial Life On Mars ending right there.

Nice work, guv.
 
 
slagar
18:05 / 05.04.07
Just speculating also but i'll leave space in case:



















the wildest thing i could come up with as a way to end it would to have the last episode start in 1970, pre-meeting Gene (maybe have that crew expecting him to give the air time), with the case that Sam gets to put him in the place where the accident happens to cause him to think he wakes up in 1970.

they could make it circular. Sam in 1970 gets hit and wakes up, not in a hospital, in Present day, trying to figure out which reality he belongs to.
 
 
Feverfew
19:54 / 09.04.07
Triplets - thank you. Also, thank you for the phrase 'Total Puffins', which, to be fair, rocks.

According to a close friend, tiny clues have been planted throughout the series; the number Gene Hunt dials when he goes to call Hyde to send Sam back, The Sweeney apparently playing in the background in the hospital sound montages of the first episode of the second season...

The worry is, however, that the finale will be total bollocks. At least, this time round, they were aware of the possiblity of the further spin-off prior to filming the last episode, so hopefully no rushed re-writes and re-filming. I'm just concerned, though - and it is a silly, trivial concern, I acknowledge that - that a show I've followed for sixteen episodes will end on a bum/flat note.

The way I see it, there are two possible ways it can go; the down-beat, low-key ending where it all just fizzles out, or the Don't Stop Me Now ending where it all goes batshit insane in an hour's worth of great television; and somehow, I'm not sure exactly which I'd prefer...
 
 
Feverfew
17:30 / 10.04.07
Anyway, ninety minutes to go...
 
 
sleazenation
20:00 / 10.04.07
So, what did you think? Me? I liked it.
 
 
Internaut
20:02 / 10.04.07
i thought it was good. nice, even.
 
 
Feverfew
20:08 / 10.04.07
I liked it. My other thoughts on it aren't quite coherent yet; there are a few things that didn't quite gel, but still, it was a good ending.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:09 / 10.04.07


I hope they never find Sam Tyler's body.
 
 
sleazenation
20:16 / 10.04.07
Maybe it went to the same place that other time travelling Sam went...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:27 / 10.04.07
That was really very good, in the end. Cleverly allows them an out for all of the duff things that have happened in the show before - even the crappy stuff about Sam's dad. Surprisingly brave, too, to go out on an ending that leaves everything up to the viewer - somebody clearly had a major change of heart about the direction of the show after the last episode of series one.

Of course, having Gene return in a sequel show completely fucks it all up, but I'm going to pretend that the two have bugger all to do with each other.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:33 / 10.04.07
In case it wasn't clear, I thought this was great - or rather it got really great (the first fifteen to twenty minutes still suffered from some of the weaknesses the show's often portrayed, such as Sam's behaviour being a bad combination of unsubtle, unlikeable and plain thick). There have definitely been some clues: Gene calls Sam "Dorothy" in the opening few moments of this episode, for example. But for a moment I really did believe they were going to go for the whole "forget the first episode, he's just a guy from 1973 who's gone mad" angle, which would have been so ballsy I was rooting for it. Yet the way it actually went down was great as well - I'm particularly glad they didn't do something annoying like have Sam look in an archived newspaper in 200(7?) and see a story about Gene and the team being killed before deciding to go back - nope, he really does have to go and save his imaginary friends, pretty much. Here's where I start talking about fictionverses and that, but y'know that I only wheel this stuff out when I'm genuinely convinced it's there.

It had a huge amount in common with Grant Morrison's final issue of Doom Patrol, although I think the basic themes are resonant enough for that to not rely on any comics having been read by the writers etc. In both cases you could read the end as the protagonist choosing to buy into their self-created fantasy world rather than reality, and commit suicide. While ambiguity is always sexy, such a bleak reading would be contrary to Morrison's intentions in Doom Patrol, at least partly due to the writer's stated belief in different fictional realities and the ability to travel between them. I think there's something similar going on in Life On Mars. Gene Hunt isn't real: he's a character in a fantasy world heavily influenced by 1970s cop shows. But then, Sam Tyler (21st century version) isn't 'real' either: he's also a character in a cop show, in a fictional world albeit one that bears a little more resemblance to ours. And at the end, he walks (or rather leaps) between worlds. The fictionality of the whole thing is just confirmed by that ending, with the little girl who, if you're anything like me, makes a chill run down your spine, turning the show 'off'.

Yes, so Gene Hunt is an imaginary character. So how can they make Ashes To Ashes? Well, all the other characters in it will also be imaginary. [Neil Gaiman]Aren't they all?[/Neil Gaiman]

Great last ever episodes have a tendency to mask a lot of the flaws of the rest of the show, particular if the show was short. I think Life On Mars definitely falls into that category.
 
 
Feverfew
20:41 / 10.04.07
I think I need to see it again.

Which is handy, as the DVD's released next Monday. (Am I the only one impressed by the turnaround there?)

I do agree with a lot of what's been said here, but I'm around 95% - i.e. not totally - convinced by that last episode, and it mostly centres around Morgan's character. Then again, at least it's TV that can be questioned, rather than neatly-resolving everything in the final five minutes, and it did have a genuine you-don't-know-what's-going-to-happen feel to it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:43 / 10.04.07
The fictionality of the whole thing is just confirmed by that ending, with the little girl who, if you're anything like me, makes a chill run down your spine, turning the show 'off'.

And that when he returns to his fiction, Sam overwrites the previous script so that the conversations about him working undercover to investigate Hunt never took place.

Well, either that or the writers conveniently forgot about that part. As ever with this kind of thing, I'm not entirely convinced that not we're reading into it things which weren't intended to be there. But hey.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:55 / 10.04.07
That's not really necessary, Randy: Chris acknowledges that the conversations happened, for one. But Morgan said he needed Sam to testify on the stand in order to have a credible case, and Morgan's own credibility will be shot to pieces, so to speak, if it's discovered he set up a bunch of coppers to die just to make an example of someone.
 
 
sleazenation
20:57 / 10.04.07
I think the swift turn-around on the DVD release is just an attempt to maxmise marketing potential and minimise piracy.


On the imaginary stories front

isn't the whole "This is an imaginary story.... aren't they all" thing Alan Moore rather than Neil Gaiman?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:00 / 10.04.07
I always feel 50/50 on that one. You're probably right.
 
 
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11:54 / 11.04.07
Oh, crap, can we get a petition to kill this before it ruins a brilliantly tidied up ending (warning, spoileryness). Not many series jump the shark before they are even filmed.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:57 / 11.04.07
Um, no. It sounds great (and has been mentioned multiple times in this thread). If you don't want to watch it, don't: it can't retrospectively 'ruin' the ending of Life On Mars, especially as that was arguably Sam Tyler's story, and tied it up nicely.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:00 / 11.04.07
The new details are interesting, it has to be said (if other people can visit Gene's world, it really is like Narnia or something). And oh my god, please tell me they are going where I think they are going with Ray. But this is probably worth discussing in a new thread.
 
 
bjacques
12:12 / 11.04.07
SPOILERS (but I gather the consensus is that any posts following the final episode are fair game)
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I figured Sam's return to the present was also fictional. A couple of past details--the door to his hospital room says Hyde Wing (I think) and the room number is the same as the Gene's car's number plate--turn up in the "present."

The big hint is when the barman says the test is whether Sam can feel anything. In the present, Sam can't feel himself cutting his finger (even allowing for the dullness of the meeting). Therefore, this present isn't real. By leaping off the roof, Sam breaks with it as dramatically as he came to believe shutting down Gene's unit would release him from the fake past (and as the staticky radio precipitating the shoot-out did).

Morgan, not Gene, was the cancer that needed cutting out. Morgan was the germ of a new fantasy of escape to the present, to which Sam would cling tightly, believing it to be real. If he recovered from the coma, he'd be incurably insane and broken from having deserted his friends, unreal as they were.

So he's back to a fantasy he's getting used to (anyway, Maya's given up on him in the present), and it's still an open question whether he'll recover from the coma.

Most likely not. The test card girl got him. "He's mine. You can stop watching now." (A bit like the girl in Fellini's "Never Bet The Devil Your Head," from the Spirits of the Dead trilogy, but at least ultimately more benign than Morgan.)

"We're losing him."


GREAT ending!
 
 
bjacques
12:17 / 11.04.07
Re "Ashes To Ashes," I'd watch it. But they'd better keep it to one season and show they've learned from their mistakes on "Life on Mars."

"Human language isn't built for time travel" - Robert A. Heinlein
 
 
Saveloy
13:01 / 11.04.07
Brilliant last two episodes. I especially liked the Morgan character, both in the way he was played and the way he looked - I could stare at him for hours. He was perfect, like a well drawn character in a comic.

One thing: did anyone interpret the ending as "modern day = nice but dull (no feeling), pre-pc '70s = nasty but fun (feeling)"? I'm thinking of the scene in the grey, corporate-looking office where they're discussing the ethical dimensions of some matter or other, which seemed to be the point at which sam made his decision to return.

And I can't bloody wait for Ashes to Ashes.

Flyboy:

"if other people can visit Gene's world, it really is like Narnia or something"

True, though I guess this bit (from the previously posted link) is what they'll be using to make it seem feasible, for those who are concerned about that sort of thing:

"Alex suddenly finds herself in 1981 interacting with familiar characters, not just from her own life-time, but also from the detailed reports logged by none other than Sam Tyler, which Alex has previously spent months pouring over."
 
  

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