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Life On Mars

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
20:58 / 09.01.06
So this copper, right, he gets hit by a car in 2005, and when he wakes up, it's 1973, and he has ID on him and everything, and he goes to work at his own station to find it's now all fried egg sandwiches and dodgy sideburns and the living spit of Jack Flint (Life On Mars just might be genuinely influenced by The Invisibles - who knows!). Except maaaaybe he's just in a coma, because the Open University talks to him on the telly in a creepy, creepy way... But who cares, because there are doors to be kicked down and desks to be jumped over and a rather fetching WPC.

It's like that thought experiment: how do you know everything around you isn't just an illusion? And the correct answer: who cares, you might as well act like it's real, 'cos what else is there? SHUT IT.

Only the present day "whatever happened to trusting your instinct?" stuff seemed at all heavy-handed, and even then, it will be interesting to see whether the show comes out on side or another on the issue of "Was police work better when it was all about kicking down doors and shouting OI?" Well, okay, so we already know it looks more fun. CSI: SHUT IT.

Get the shooters, George, etc.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:15 / 09.01.06
Yeah. They jumped over desks in 1973! Woo!
 
 
The Strobe
21:19 / 09.01.06
Well, I liked it a great deal. The beginning was probably the weakest bit, but at the same time, I think it is trying to show just how earnest Sam is. He really is very, very earnest.

But then it hits '73, and it all kicks off. Lots of fun things - the bedsit, for instance. And the OU guy on the telly. I think my favourite, favourite, favourite moment was when Sam and Gene (I believe the Guv'nor was called Gene, yes?) come to the same conclusion... and jump over the table in slow-motion. That was just joycore - because in that split second, it wasn't taking the piss out of either of them - it was a genuine need to use that trope.

I quite like how straight it plays a lot of it; yes, there are the obvious gags, and there's also a little of "cor, look at how crap everything was!"... but it's fundamentally alright. Like it a lot.

Also like that they wrapped up that case in that show. I think lesser series would have had a six parter about it, but really, it wasn't all that complicated, was it? Next show: bring on the shooters!

(Also: it reminded me a lot of that episode of Black Books where all the coppers think Manny's a detective, even though he's just been up all night with his new coffee machine and a Sweeney box set).

(Also also: Philip Glenister was the copper in State of Play, also opposite Simm).
 
 
Axolotl
09:34 / 10.01.06
I enjoyed this, though I thought Sam's behaviour back in the past would have gotten him more than a few funny looks, and I found his complete lack of concern about the impression he was making a bit off, though I suppose understandable given his state of mind.
Now he's at least nominally accepted his fate I'm looking forward to him firstly embracing his inner Sweeney and later on standing up against the dominant cop culture of the 70s when he realises it's not all shouting "shut it" and drinking on the job.
 
 
Ninjas make great pets
12:00 / 10.01.06
I love john simms. I love fiction. I love dramas. I love the is it or isn't it.
It's got so much I love I think I could explode in a small *pooooof* of bliss.

Perhaps I exaggerate a little.

It was a might less believable how little concern they showed alright. Will they start to involve people who should know his character from whence he was transferred? etc. etc.

I'm hoping big hopes. But I'd just be happy with John Simms on screen so they shouldn't let me down.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
12:33 / 10.01.06
Paleface - Manny as The Sweeney was indeed great.
As to the show, I missed bits of it in between cooking dinner, but it did seem pretty interesting, engaging, etc., to the extent that I may have to just phone a take-away next monday.
Oh, and a quote from a friend - "I got sucked into the first episode of a cop show called "Life on Mars" last night. Suprisingly good - the premise is that a 2006 policeman wakes up in 1973, has to carry on finding the killer (tm). Or is he just in a coma? It was apparently all booze, sexism and heavy handed intimidation back in 1973. Oh, how much policing has changed since then. fnord."
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
12:34 / 10.01.06
Oh, and Petey - full marks for the thread summary!
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:16 / 10.01.06
Do you know if this is going to be repeated on BBC4, BBC5, BBC6 or BBC7? I only caught the last ten minutes.
 
 
pornotaxi
15:56 / 10.01.06
you could download it:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/195944
 
 
Ganesh
19:15 / 12.01.06
I had the occasional flashback myself, to the first episode of Clocking Off, where Simms, post-head injury, returns to familiar-yet-unfamiliar surroundings where everyone seems freaked to see him - and Philip Glenister's his boss.

Xoc's descriptor for that '70s machismo: "scarring".
 
 
e-n
21:00 / 12.01.06
Just finished watching this.
Fan-bloody-tastic.

A quick digression. I watched my copy after watching battlstar galatctica 2x11. The last time I watched a BBC "drama" after BSG it was the dalek episode of Doctor Who and after the high budget provided by US TV channels the doctor came off as looking a little cheap and a lot less "stylish"

Not so here. Now I know that they are all different types of shows but life on mars looked ...classy , stylish.
Like a lot of work went into achieving that look. (which I'm sure it did on doctor who, just maybe not as successfully. I love the Doctor honest!)

There were a lot of nice camera angles and the old style office set looked a treat.Smoke hanging in the air, lots of shafts of light punctuating the gloom.

Like I said I really feel that the show has a very defeine "feel" to it amd its one I'm digging.
As for the plot? Loved it loads.
Totally agree that it was great this case was solved and also loved the Neil bit near the end along with Simms constantly trying to psychoanalyse his surroundings.

As for Phoxs point about:
"I thought Sam's behaviour back in the past would have gotten him more than a few funny looks, and I found his complete lack of concern about the impression he was making a bit off, though I suppose understandable given his state of mind."

Remember that this is the time when (allegedly) some coppers thought nothing of looking the other way when a colleague acted a bit "off" (is it "off" to throw away evidence?"Off" to think you come from 2006?)

Finally doesn't WPC Cartwright(am I right?) look a lot like Zooey Deschanel from Hitchkikers guide?

 
 
Axolotl
10:36 / 17.01.06
Anyone see the second episode last night? I enjoyed it, once again it struck a suitable balance between drama (the shooting of the young woman, Leonard standing up to the bad guys) and comedy (the swimming trunks chase scene, Hunt and Tyler fighting in the hospital). This is rapidly becoming one of my must-see TV shows.
 
 
The Strobe
11:22 / 17.01.06
Yep, loved it again. It's getting even more joycore, to be honest; the fight in the hospital; Simm's "lifeguard" vest; "Careful, you nearly brought down Gary Cooper". Thought they handled the plot well, followed a few old-style cop show tropes (the waterworks chase, for instance), and great to see proper British crims with nail-studded cricket bats. Also, Jude's body in the car was a nicely handled surprise - I genuinely thought the car was empty.

Gliding test card girl, too! Really hilariously creepy. "Don't you like my clown?", she asks, even when the answer is quite obviously "fuck no!". Very entertaining, nice and solid. Only downside: shitty credits sequence.

I like that Chris is developing a bit and becoming marginally less useless.
 
 
Ninjas make great pets
11:59 / 17.01.06
I was on the edge of my seat last night. I enjoyed that ENOrmously! it's been a while since I've seen such a lovely mix; comedy, drama and a smidgeon of darkness.

The direction, the interplay, the unexpected events. Nice. nice indeed.
 
 
Michelle Gale
14:20 / 17.01.06
I may be making this up, but im sure i heard the girl with the rag doll make reference to " the white hot room" when she was taliking babble. did anyone else notice this or am I mental...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:22 / 17.01.06
I thought she was talking about the room with the chalkboard in it that she usually sits in on TV.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:24 / 17.01.06
She did say 'White Hot Room'. I think someone might be a fan.
 
 
e-n
20:55 / 17.01.06
Was it "the white hot room" or just "THE white room". Either way its the other option for the place he'll have to "wait" until he gets better and didn't she say that he was better off "busy" here?

I'm beginning to wonder at the longevity of this show.

Despite the so called reality of the people around him and the 1973 he's living in, the contstant reminders that Sam is in fact in a coma, and that there is no real way of denying this may grate after a while.

He knows he's in a coma, We know he's in a coma so where next?
Is this planned as a single series show?

I really hope that it comes up with some great answers for this by the way, although a friend has pointed out that they could do a number of seasons, with different years from 1973 to 2006 representing his long slow recovery from the depths of his unconcious?

Or he wakes next week.

Either weay as long as the two leads keep punching each other (right in the ...hospital!) then I'll be watching!

ps I wasn't too freaked out by the gilr and her clown but Jesus Christ John Simms' reaction to her made my catheter fall right out!!!!
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
08:23 / 24.01.06
The coma stuff does grate a bit alright, though I think it was a little more subtle in last night's episode. Plus - they drove through a stack of cardboard boxes! And Sam and Gene's double punch! That was sweet.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:36 / 24.01.06
I reckon he'll eventually wake up from his coma at the end of the series, but the unexpected twist will be that he discovers Gene and the other coppers were real people, tracks down a disgraced alcoholic Gene who has thrown out of the force, and discovers that Gene remembers him and it was all real...
 
 
The Strobe
08:57 / 24.01.06
It's all getting absurdly joycore. Gene with the bacon sarnie in his mouth; "Wasn't ninjas, sir; not ninja style"; Party Sevens; the double punch.

He knows he's in a coma, We know he's in a coma so where next?

The point, as GL rightly points out, is whether or not he's gone back in time, or if this is all an internal experience during his coma. The former is what will make it freaky - he'll wake up in the present, and find that everyone else from his "past" experience is now there with him.

Only he's in charge, and they've got to learn to deal with the 21st century. Cue... Series Two.

The writing is so tight, though; I'm really, really enjoying this. Also quite interested that they're still coming up with involving plots - I thought it was Derek who killed the guy - that aren't just about the solution, but the implications - the end of the mills, for instance, the hell that would be the the eighties for the industrial workers, etc. And the idea that factories could be attractive - even the people who worked in them thought they were ugly and functional - not worth turning into flats.

Enjoyed the shots of Sam's flat, actually - thought that was an effective bit of editing.

Still great, and looking forward to next week as ever.
 
 
Ganesh
10:26 / 24.01.06
Not sure if it was intentional or not (probably not) but the combination of Simms and Glenister in a textile mill added to the deja vu, for me anyway.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:38 / 24.01.06
Have read interviews with the creators which suggest that the idea is that people will assume that he's in a coma for the first few episodes, only to have that rug pulled from under them. Haven't watched it, don't care, just thought I'd mention.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:02 / 24.01.06
The twist I want to see is that he's really a guy from 1973 who, as a result of a car accident, has visions/false memories of the future.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:08 / 24.01.06
That'd be a bit Jacob's Ladder, wouldn't it?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
11:16 / 24.01.06
In the last episode he gets hit by another car and wakes up in 1940.
Working for Foyle.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:27 / 24.01.06
Biz, I like the way you think. This will run for fifteen series, each one set in an earlier historical period. In the final episode of the final series, he gets run down by an ox-cart in the Babylonian city of Ur and wakes up as the angel with the flaming sword, policing the gates of Eden.
 
 
e-n
20:11 / 30.01.06
ok epidode.Didn't really move stuff on much though, apart from him remaining true to his 2006 self and not getting completely caught up in the 70's "fantasy".

Really liked the slo-mo in Warrens club and the shot under the bridge with Hunt and Sam on the way to the canal.
This show just looks classy.
Oh and who can forget Sock-puppet-mom.

Right then, now thats out of the way, what about these flashes that seem to happen every episode, eh sunshine?

The seem to be getting a little bit longer each time too eh?
So far the ones that stick in my head are the sun shining through some tress and the weird POV flash of someone looking at their leprechaun-style big buckle shoes, although I've been watching the latest episodes on the telly and not downloading them for further forensic examination.

These flashes seemed to contain more scenes this week but I think there was a lot of the LSD trip worked in there as well.
I presume these are going somewhere but no idea where.
Anyone had a chance to have a gander at the flashes?
Are they flashbacks?

Flash forwards?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
21:19 / 30.01.06
I'm sorry. I can believe the time travel, the coma hallucinations, even the little girl from the test card coming out of the TV.
But the idea that policemen in 2006 are entirely free of corruption?... Energise!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:04 / 30.01.06
he'll wake up in the present, and find that everyone else from his "past" experience is now there with him.

OMG Wizard of Oz!11!!
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:06 / 31.01.06
I really enjoyed last night's episode. Soundtrack's excellent. There was a little too much "future knowledge" in it last night, though, for my liking - Red Rum, Marc Bolan and TV in the pub... hopefully they just put that all in one episode, and won't bother with it too much again, unless it's pertinent.
 
I love the way Gene seems to be slowly siding with Sam more, especially the almost paternal chat over whisky they had before locking Warren's goon in the meat fridge.
 
So, what happened to Sam's mum at the end of the episode? Is there a mundane reason - like, with Warren off the scene, the area isn't safe anymore, and so they moved? Or is there something at work to prevent Sam from meeting his past self...?
 
 
The Strobe
11:26 / 31.01.06
It's all about Gene's hat, though, isn't it?

Enjoyable - as one critic pointed out, a necessary "filler" episode to advance the overall plot and build some emotional investment - where's Sam's family gone? - at the expense of some of the knockabout comedy and time travel gags.

I like the way the echoes Sam hears from the "future" are creepy, though; test-card girl, the sock-puppet. And Dave and Chris becoming the doctors.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:04 / 31.01.06
So, what happened to Sam's mum at the end of the episode? Is there a mundane reason - like, with Warren off the scene, the area isn't safe anymore, and so they moved?

Warren owned those houses. Not sure how his arrest would have affected tenants in the short-term, but I presumed that was the reason why the family had moved on.

Which'd mean, of course, that Sam had changed his own past, as he seemed to have no recollection of their moving in his original timeline. Really not expecting the show to start dwelling on that sort of thing, though - that's not what it's about.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:50 / 03.02.06
I presume these are going somewhere but no idea where.
Anyone had a chance to have a gander at the flashes?
Are they flashbacks?

Flash forwards?


I'm only on episode 3 of this fantastic show, but I did examine the images after Derek was shot in the neck.

Basically: POV of, presumably 4 year-old Sam's big-buckled shoes, chasing a red-coated girl (presumably... overtones of Don't Look Now, Red Riding Hood, Singing Detective's Forest of Dean flashbacks, and also echoes of the Test Card Girl) through sunlit woods... then the Test Card Girl, Sam's flat with the cooker and kitchen table spattered with blood, and I think Sam's pale, apparently dead or comatose face (could have been someone else -- I couldn't quite freeze that frame). Gene snapping his fingers at the end.

The obvious implication is that his past as a four year-old hides some secret that must be dealt with.

NB. the Test Card Girl doesn't look much like the real thing -- her dress often seems to be pink.



Such a clever, detailed, deep but also innocently joyful show.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:19 / 04.02.06
So, what happened to Sam's mum at the end of the episode? Is there a mundane reason - like, with Warren off the scene, the area isn't safe anymore, and so they moved?

"I'm really surprised about the burglaries. We move around a lot and this is the safest place we've ever been."

Perhaps because Mr Tyler's a salesman.

The ease with which Warren was captured, and the lack of repercussions, did grate with me a little in episode 4. It's as though all they had to do was get up the courage to snap the cuffs on him, and they'd all walk a little more proudly, with that guilty animal quiet in their guts.

However, it's still mixing pleasurable little in-jokes and genuinely moving character development.

Nelson's role still perplexes me. In episode 1, Sam asked himself what corner of his subconscious Nelson sprang from, and he does seem to play the part of prophet or sage, with some inside knowledge of Sam's coma... either that or he's just making vague philosophical pronouncements (about sticking it out, picking your fights, staying true to yourself) that chime with our, and Sam's, belief about his situation.

A little surprising, and implausible, that while Annie and other women are derided (even by sympathetic characters like Gene) as fanny and slags, and Warren's sexuality earned him a variety-box of homophobic insults -- immigrant workers in episode 3 weren't called anything more abusive than "coloureds", and Nelson hasn't once been subject to any kind of insulting or mocking comment about his ethnicity. On first meeting, Gene assured Sam that Nelson was "alright": but it seems a bit of a get-out that none of these retro cops with their 1970s prejudices ever make a racist joke. I expect that might be going too far for us now, and distance us from finding them remotely likeable, but it would be accurate in terms of period and character, I think.

There is something about Annie I'm really crushing on. She has an amazingly vibrant, glowing quality -- eager, fresh, trusting. She seems to embody (and perhaps in a way, prompt) everything Sam says about it being a beautiful thing to be alive.
 
  

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