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miss wonderstarr
07:12 / 28.02.06
I felt sure that we were going to see either a) Gene shooting Vic to save Sam,

I thought Vic was going to shoot Sam and by killing his 1973 self, force him back to 2006.

Anyway, Glenister and Simm are currently reading bedtime stories on CBeebies website (available from the official Life on Mars site). Oddly creepy to hear Simm begin, in serious, calming-the-suspect mode, "Hello... I'm John. Are you any good at making things?"
 
 
Spatula Clarke
07:42 / 28.02.06
Two more things. Firstly, who the hell phoned Vic up at that phone box? Second thing is even less logical than the Cartwright at wedding business.

Vic was trying to take over the rackets that had previously been run by Warren, yeah? But they were only up for grabs because Sam had persuaded Gene to take Warren down. So the entire Vic thing is broken at a fundamental level. We know that we're not in a recurring timeline and that it's not that little Sammy's destined to go through it all over again, because grown-up Sam remembers chasing Vic into the woods as a kid.

It's astonishing just how little thought must have gone into that last ep.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
07:54 / 28.02.06
You're right that it isn't consistent, but to some extent I think it is meant to be a recurring time-loop: hence grown-up Sam tells his mother to tell little Sammy what Sam remembers hearing as a boy, and tells her to tell Sammy that he'll see his dad again (presumably because he assumes Sammy will grow up and go back in time?)

It's as though he has to fulfil the demands of what "happened" and make sure things pan out the way he remembered... which doesn't add up because on another level he's desperately trying to change his dad's decision to leave the family.

As you suggest, young Sammy will no longer grow up with the repressed memory of seeing his dad kick Cartwright in the forest. So young Sammy, if he grows up and is hit by a car, will have no "reason" to go back to 1973 and pursue the mystery of what happened in the forest -- he won't have those flashbacks.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
08:51 / 28.02.06
The thing is - none of what is happening is necessarily real. The idea that Sam could be changing his own past by his actions is another dimension to the show, but the whole setting can also be seen as Sam going through his own repressed feelings (didn't either Vic or his mother tell the young Sam to stuff all his pain down inside, or something like that...?), and sorting them out.
 
Not that that excuses last night's episode, which was quite unsatisfactory. Perhaps they had to do a quick rewrite after a second season had been comissioned, but still - the whole sequence in the woods - pointing the gun at Gene, letting Vic go - was quite out of character, I felt.
 
The Sunday Times TV section, in its review of last night's episode, mentioned something about Sam's situation being part of an experiment. This isn't something I'd thought of, and I don't remember it being mentioned in this thread, but it's an interesting idea. You could see the test-card girl as being the personification of the mad scientist running the experiment, the hints of the woods and so forth guiding Sam to the conclusion, and then letting Vic go as him being broken - he just couldn't arrest Vic, although he knew that, as a policeman, it was the right thing to do. And agreeing - "pub" - at the end - you could see that like Winston Smith loving Big Brother at the end of 1984. Well, it's just a theory...
 
 
Feverfew
15:55 / 28.02.06
Having slept on it, I would honestly love to file this under "Brave Failure". But I can't, because of the reasons above.

I also caught the Times referring to some kind of "Sinister Experiments", but failed to see how this applied other than the test card girl.

My main thought last night was, in fact, "Oh. They seem to have watched Lost ", but that was possibly unduly cynical...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:33 / 28.02.06
People on another board (I shan't paste in their comments of course) made me wonder something that perhaps someone on here with knowledge of TV production could answer.

At what stage would the writer and director have had to decide what happens in the final ten minutes?

Is it at all possible that this cop-out ending (ho ho! that would be the title of my review) could have been a revised, alternate finale that was only written, or shot, or re-edited, once it was clear the series was a ratings winner?

Or would the open-ended lead-in to a second series have been decided upon right from the start, before they even knew this was going to be a success?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:36 / 28.02.06
I seriously doubt it would have been an eleventh hour thing.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:15 / 28.02.06
Is it at all possible that it could have happened once episodes 1 and 2 were successful, though? Or would they have shot that ending and edited episode 8 before the first episode was ever broadcast? What I obviously mean is, was it always planned that way, or could it have been altered once a second series became a viable prospect.
 
 
■
18:36 / 28.02.06
Unlikely. By the lighting and foliage and stuff it looks as though it was filmed in the summer.
 
 
■
18:46 / 28.02.06
Having said that, there is a bit of a continuity jump between the end of his mum's speech and him walking towards Cartwright, almost as if it had been hurriedly edited, and the trees behind the car are noticeably more bare than those in earlier scenes....
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:52 / 28.02.06
What I obviously mean is, was it always planned that way, or could it have been altered once a second series became a viable prospect.

The could easily have filmed two endings and it probably wouldn't have cost much, that sort of thing is easily incorporated if you know that you want two possibilities at the beginning of the filming period.

Someone actually mentioned to me that they thought that two endings had been filmed at work today. There was definitely a rocky feeling to the last ten minutes of the programme. I thought it was very unfortunate that they chose not to move the story on from the stuck in the 70s feel. Had the ending been definitive I think they might have gone lighter on the coma heartbeat moments throughout the series. I felt cheated.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:55 / 28.02.06
It irritated me for exactly the same reason as Lost. Can something happen please...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:02 / 28.02.06
I entirely agree about Lost Nina, and because I felt so ripped off and disappointed by the final episode of that show's first season, I had no interest in the second. I wonder if they've shot themselves in the foot a little and won't get the same audience for series 2 of LoM -- which isn't even out until Spring 2007. You'd need a lot of recap to revive most people's interest in the "is he in a coma, and why" premise, though it could still work as a groovy timewarp 70s show.
 
 
DaveBCooper
11:46 / 06.03.06
Well, that was disappointing. The flashback-bits had suggested for some time that this was all relevant, but it turns out not to be after all.

As other have pointed out elsewhere, people acting out of character, and a definite look of an alternate ending to leave it open for series two, though without any proper reason for series two to exist, surely?

Unless, like that other time-travelling Sam, he gets a friend called Al to help him figure out what he’s meant to be doing each week. Because let’s face it, the novelty value and plot possibilities of ‘hey, it’s 1973!’ were showing their limitations by about episode 6.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:55 / 14.04.06
Haven't read this thread, although I feel fully justified in that I'm only just watching this now. I'm on the second episode and enjoying it a lot. Especially Tyler and Hunt fighting in the hospital.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:51 / 28.07.06
Bumped, for U.S. viewers:

BBC America has begun airing this in the States, on Monday nights, starting on the 24th.
 
 
sleazenation
15:56 / 28.07.06
Have you just been leafing through TV guide there Mr Fear?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
10:03 / 31.07.06
Being here in the US, I just saw the first episode. I liked the detectiver aspect of it, but the "is he in a coma or not" has already gotten on my nerves because it reminds me of so many TV shows where there is a plot thread where, if it is resolved, the series is over. That way, we know that main mystery won't be solved until the last episode...and almost makes it harder for the show to keep my interest.

All that being said, I liked the characters and thought it was a decent enough first epsiode...but I have been horridly spoiled around cop shows by Sleuth re-running "Homicide: Life On The Street", which I've never seen before, and it makes all cop shows seem pale in comparison.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
03:42 / 14.08.06
I am not reading too much of this thread to avoid spoilage.

I just wanted to say that after a great night at the bar I watched the first episode of this show with some good friends and it is fucking amazing.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:59 / 23.01.07
Still haven't seen the show (we don't get BBC America,alas) but was most amused by this trailer for the new series.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:45 / 24.01.07
Ah, you beat me to it, YouTube here if anyone wants it.

I'm a bit dubious about whether this is legit (it ends rather suddenly) but I suppose we'll soon see, thing of joy if it was. And the writers have guaranteed that the second series will be the last (in the UK at least) so it might all tie up nicely.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:15 / 25.01.07
Yeah, I'm looking forward to some more frame-by-frame logging, fanwank hypothesising and blockbuster arguments.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:17 / 25.01.07
The trailer is entirely legit, I believe; I saw it featured in a tabloid under the headline "MARS IS GREEN".
 
 
sleazenation
18:51 / 25.01.07
But surely it should be: "this is a box/a musical box/wound up and ready to play/ But this box can hide/a secret inside./Can you guess what is in it today ?"
 
 
Feverfew
18:52 / 26.01.07
Yeah, I'm looking forward to some more frame-by-frame logging, fanwank hypothesising and blockbuster arguments.

Something to look forward to, eh?

The trailer has, in fact, made my day, in a fairly twisted sort of way.
 
 
adamswish
14:02 / 31.01.07
Yes it should sleaze, but having first seen it on one of the beeb channels and nearly spitting my drink all over the cat I can confirm it's legit.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:36 / 31.01.07
Great promotional poster in a tube station yesterday: a nicely, subtly dated pin-up of the two leads leaning against, I presume, a Cortina (very subtly dated... but the colour photography reminded me of an old Blue Peter annual cover), with an ancient BBC logo at the bottom, and in, again, a retro but not overdone font, BACK IN THE NICK OF TIME.
 
 
Feverfew
18:41 / 07.02.07
They're now trailing this really heavily on BBC1, in anticipation of next Tuesday's first episode.

Also, is Marc Warren on some sort of bet with someone as to how many BBC things he can be in over a period of time?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:45 / 10.02.07
Has anyone mentioned an apparently-definite spin-off, "Ashes to Ashes" ~ about Gene in 83, I think?
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
17:10 / 10.02.07
Apparently Sam Tyler was named as a deliberate homage to Rose Tyler. Dr Who crossover in the next series?
 
 
DavidXBrunt
18:02 / 10.02.07
Doubtfull but it'd be fun for Comic Relief or Children in Need.

According to an interview in Doctor Who Magazine Matthew Doodah was struggling for a surname and asked his kid. Who's a big Rose Tyler fan. Bish, bash, bosh.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:58 / 11.02.07
Has anyone mentioned an apparently-definite spin-off, "Ashes to Ashes" ~ about Gene in 83, I think?

I'm not sure about this, but it does sound good.

According to the grapevine, it's going to be followed by 'Freaky Dancin'' which will be about Gene getting to grips with Manchester culture in the early nineties, as an older man.

To begin with, he arrests all the wrong people, but then he adjusts, like the city has, arguably. And then everything's all right, for a while.

But Gene's enjoying himself too much to worry ...
 
 
Feverfew
14:42 / 11.02.07
Manchester Evening News.

"That hasn't stopped BBC1 controller Peter Fincham getting rather excited about the whole idea. “We’re thrilled to have this spin-off in development,” he said at a TV industry lunch."

“It will be more Miami Vice than The Sweeney. Hopefully, we’ll have several main characters rolling their sleeves up for us.”
.

There are also a few other sources knocking around.
 
 
Feverfew
18:53 / 13.02.07
Right. New series starts in seven minutes.

Any last thoughts or reflections? Does a new series necessitate a new thread?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:38 / 13.02.07
If we haven't got a new thread for this... I think my expectations were perhaps too high. It seemed a little too much of the same-old, considering that last series' arc should have made some major changes somehow. Sam still seemed to be wandering around acting "mad" and being tolerated for it ~ I'm not sure if either is plausible. After all that emotional journey last series, would you still be blurting out "I'm gonna meet you... I mean, erm, I feel like we might have already met." Surely you would have become used to blending in, keeping your trap shut and not acting the time traveller?

The "stinger" bit was cute, if a little bit inevitable, but I really wouldn't want this to turn into "Sam Tyler invents modern policing in 1973", and there were a few examples of that even in this one episode. Again, how long is that "I'm from Hyde" thing going to fly, when he keeps mentioning squads that don't exist yet and abbreviations that were introduced some time in the 80s? (And why does he keep saying the time-gap is 30 years? Was the present day really 2003?)

After the father-son arc ended with a bit of a whimper, obviously we needed another major strand to see through the series, and I'm not sure whether that's convincingly been threaded into this episode. There's no apparent visual puzzle, equivalent to Sam's flashbacks last time, and the idea that he's there to do a secret mission, but also can't return until he's let go of whatever's keeping him there (surely Annie?) manage to be both banal and kind of contradictory.

Finally, the ambiguity about his coma vs time-travel seems to have been resolved ~ disappointingly. He's obviously in a coma, and now the communication with the future is becoming rather flatly literal. The title sequence still suggests it's in question whether he's really back in time, or just imagining it. I'm not sure how the detailed, rich world of 1973 really tallies as something in Sam's imagination.
 
  

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