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Return of the New Universe

 
  

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FinderWolf
20:48 / 01.01.06
There's a thread somewhere for Ellis' new NextWave ongoing series, but I couldn't find it - so this is just a reminder that the first issue comes out this upcoming week, I think.
 
 
matsya
23:16 / 10.01.06
Hector, that thing that newsarama was on about was a revisiting of the OLD New Universe before Ellis does his thing with it. Just to refresh memories/introduce concepts before the fun starts.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
23:50 / 10.01.06
ohhhh
 
 
Captain Zoom
17:00 / 11.01.06
"What does make a Marvel character work?"

There, he's fucked up already by saying that the NU characters will be Marvel characters when they're supposed to be something different.

I have all but about 10 issues of everything that came out of the New Universe. DP7 was definitely the best, but Nightmask and Justice were pretty good too. Kickers Inc was embarassing, but Mike Mignola did some nice covers for it.

Ellis' proposal sounds good. Sounds interesting, even. But he'll never be able to pull it off without resorting to his typical style of comics writing (which I guess just about everyone else has already said). Does Ellis strike you as the sort of writer who'd be great if there wasn't so much of his stuff on the shelves? Imagine that you only had Planetary and Transmet coming from him. The characters wouldn't be stale and his voice would sound different. But since there's so much Ellis to buy, the characters and situations seem like they're overused and overdone. How many different comic universes has "The Last Shot" bar popped up in? I started reading his JLA Classified arc, but when Batman started to sound like Pete Wisdom, I gave up.

I suppose if Ellis stopped with the writing, we'd have to find another writer to beat up on, so that's one good thing. I'll check out the new New Universe title, but I'd be willing to bet I won't stick with it. I'm not big on revamps of things I have a soft spot for (Byrne's godawful Doom Patrol), and by the end of The War series, the New Universe had pretty much become a superhero 'verse. I'm really not sure what new territory he could take it into from there without pulling it all down.
 
 
eddie thirteen
00:28 / 12.01.06
I agree about the familiarity breeding contempt. Mostly. I liked Transmet well enough when it started, if even then it seemed to me the writer wasn't half as clever as he thought he was. A lot of what was supposed to be sharp political satire was this kind of "damn the man" stuff that anyone (of any political affiliation) could comfortably view through the veil of his/her own prejudices; a lot of what was supposed to be funny was just abrasive and juvenile; moments that were supposed to be emotionally affecting felt insincere; captions read as though lifted from a better writer (Hunter S. Thompson); the science fiction elements didn't add up to a world that seemed prescient or even likely. That said, it was...enjoyable? For about two years. It doesn't read as well to me now as it did in the mid-'90s, when I was ten years younger, but whether that has to do with Ellis's style seeming very, very old to me at this far remove, or whether it's just that I read a lot more critically now, I can't say. Still -- until it ran out of gas, a good book, for what it was.

Like you're saying, though, it doesn't seem that Ellis has grown at all as a writer since then, and it does seem he's mostly content to just recycle attitude and bombast and wonky science. I realize that all writers have their pet themes and obsessions, but unless readers are equally obsessed with those themes (as it would appear some of Ellis's readers are), it starts to feel like leftovers.
 
 
matsya
03:38 / 12.01.06
Zoom, Ellis IS pulling it all down and starting from scratch. I think he's going to start with the basic concept of the White Event and go from there, maybe take things in a slightly familiar direction, but apart from that there won't be many similarities.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
13:55 / 12.01.06
Zoom, when he says "Marvel character" read "character published by Marvel". in any case, [most of] the New Universe inhabitants were ignited by the White Event AND tragedy anyway.
 
 
Dead Megatron
17:48 / 12.01.06
Sometimes it's worth sitting down and thinking, how does Warren Ellis keep getting work?

I think he's part of a secret organization of British writers who use black magick and brainwashing to control the minds of comic book readers and editors of the world. Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Grant Morrison, they're all into it
 
 
eddie thirteen
22:20 / 12.01.06
That's preposterous. Warren Ellis doesn't believe in your silly "magic." Warren Ellis is a SCIENTIST!
 
 
Dead Megatron
23:33 / 12.01.06
so says he, but, man, can we really trust a comic book writer???
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:47 / 13.01.06
What the hell is wrong with Moebius, Jodorowsky, Jason Lutes, Kazuo Koike, Brian Azzarello, Neil Gaiman, Brian Wood, Chyna Clugston-Major, Seth, or Harvey Pekar?

They're all gay.
 
  

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