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Paty Cockrum accuses Grant Morrison and others of anti-Semitism

 
  

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Tim Tempest
17:07 / 24.10.05
Ok, I made a picture of some prominent Jewish figures giving Paty Cockrum her what's what...but I need someone to host the bitch, so, any takers?
 
 
Ganesh
17:15 / 24.10.05
Mmm... helpful...
 
 
Jack Fear
17:16 / 24.10.05
Please. Don't.
 
 
Tim Tempest
17:18 / 24.10.05
It's okay man, I'm a fan of hanuchkakaka.

I just can't spell it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:16 / 24.10.05
He meant "Please. Don't. Continue posting to this board."

Punk.
 
 
Ganesh
18:23 / 24.10.05
In Maida Vale, Tom is twitching in his sleep. If he's asleep.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:36 / 24.10.05
Sleep tight, Tom.
 
 
bio k9
20:25 / 24.10.05
Isn't there also a picture out there of Cameron Stewart dressed up as Robin for Halloween?

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bio k9
20:26 / 24.10.05
I love you, man.
 
 
Ganesh
20:26 / 24.10.05
I suspect Cameron may have processed too much meataphor.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:31 / 24.10.05
Cameron's scared. He should be scared. I want him to scared. "Scared, Cameron?", I say.
 
 
Tim Tempest
22:49 / 24.10.05
Ok, I made a picture of some prominent Jewish figures giving Paty Cockrum her what's what...but I need someone to host the bitch, so, any takers?

Just to clarify for Ganesh, and Dr. Graves, the bitch I was referring to was the picture I made, and I was somewhat frustrated with my ineptitude of being able to launch it onto the internet.

I won't put it up, as someone could find it offensive and like me even less, so I'll just describe it to you:

It was simply a collage of the various superheroes that are a part of Judaism, (like The Thing, Ragman, Moon Knight, Adam Sandler, Kitty Pryde, Nite Owl II, Barry Allen, Doc Samson, and Arthur from The Tick). They are all surrounding Paty Cockrum's humorous get-up from the article, and were just giving her sour looks. And it was all put together with paint, a pint, and a little bit of love.

It was nothing to get upset about. It just looked kind of funny.

If I came off as an imbecile, rather than as a fellow fan of Hanukka, that was not my intention.
 
 
Ganesh
23:07 / 24.10.05
It wasn't the word "bitch" that was filling me with nameless cyclopean dread, dude.
 
 
Tim Tempest
23:20 / 24.10.05
It was the Hanukka typo, then?

And is nameless cylopean dread different than most types of dread? I have to write an essay on it.

What a weird coincidence.
 
 
John Octave
23:24 / 24.10.05
1.) Barry Allen is Jewish?
2.) Adam Sandler is a superhero?
 
 
Ganesh
23:32 / 24.10.05
It was the Hanukka typo, then?

No, it was the concept.
 
 
bio k9
23:39 / 24.10.05
 
 
Tim Tempest
23:54 / 24.10.05
1.) Barry Allen is Jewish?
2.) Adam Sandler is a superhero?


Yes to both. But then Sandler hung up his tights in pursuit of a career in film. I hope it works out for him.

No, it was the concept.

Oy. The concept was merely a satire of an already humorous predicament that Paty Cockrum created.

Seriously though, someone should make a comic about her, and the hilariously-zany antics she progresses through daily.

Heck, she could even draw it.
 
 
Jack Fear
00:02 / 25.10.05
Dude. Paty Cockrum is all fucked up from a thyroid disorder.

What's your excuse?
 
 
Aertho
00:12 / 25.10.05
Aged 17 years, Jack.

Odd, shush.

Have you the red issue of Promethea, wherein she meets with Asmoday: the spider demon? Give it a good read. The lesson to be learned is this: Instead of railing against the fury of your opposition, and the fury of your own confusion, extend an honest question without malice into the foray. You will be awarded with wisdom.

To be even shorter: You are overreacting and over-acting. Instead jumping on the "versus battle" bandwagon, extend compassion to a woman who may not have the opportunity to grow out of her fixations. And the Jewish jokes are not that funny. Humor founded on casual racism and stereotypes are best left to paid comedians. In the hand of anyone else, it's undignified. Be a bright and shiny member of Barbelith.
 
 
SiliconDream
00:43 / 25.10.05
Yes to both.
What was the sum evidence for Barry being Jewish? I've heard that Hal wished him Happy Hannukah once, but wasn't he going to marry Iris at a Christian church?

The West family seems fairly Christian, so maybe Barry was just a very relaxed Reform Jew and didn't mind doing things Iris' way. Always seemed like a standard Midwestern Lutheran to me, though.
 
 
gridley
02:26 / 25.10.05
Pre-Crisis Barry Allen was definitely not Jewish, because the Jacob of Earth-1 was killed by Vandal Savage before he could wrestle the angel (Orion on a mission to save Earth from Darkseid) and become the patriarch of the Israelites.

Next time on Gridley's Bible Stories from the DC Universe, we'll be discussing the evil Jesus of Earth-3 (he had an eye patch!)...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
03:13 / 25.10.05
Oddman- you have to write an essay on nameless cyclopean dread? Dude, I wanna be on your course.
 
 
This Sunday
05:01 / 25.10.05
Is Earth-3 Evil-Jesus one-eyed because he represents the cyclopean dread? Does he have a little beard?
Wasn't he one of the Super Friends?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:37 / 25.10.05
Oh God. < Finger hovers by 'lock thread' request >
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:39 / 25.10.05
Oddman, when someone digs themselves into a hole a good response is not "Look, I've got a bigger spade and I bet I could dig faster too!"
 
 
doctorbeck
07:12 / 25.10.05
ben grimm is jewish?

oi vey
 
 
Axolotl
07:36 / 25.10.05
Yeah, I believe that as Kirby's alter-ego in the MU Ben Grimm was jewish. It was never stated in the early comics, but Kirby said as much in interviews & this was adopted as canon fairly recently (last ten years?). I fail to see that there's anything wrong with that.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:35 / 25.10.05
I don't know... there seems something "funny", ie. walking the line of acceptability, about listing Jewish superheroes (through what cultural signs?) as some kind of offended group, identifying yourself as a "fellow fan of Hanukka" and coming out with the "oy vey". It seems like Oddman's keeping it carefully above-board while having a little laugh at Jewishness.

It's hard to pin down exactly what seems subtly mocking and faux-naive about this: but I'd feel it was equally dubious if I said I was going to depict all the superheroes "involved in blackness" getting ticked off about racism, and had some weird, semi-satirical inclusions (Bill Cosby?), then classed myself as a "fellow fan of Kwanzaa" and interjected "tru dat my bredrin".
 
 
Spaniel
09:06 / 25.10.05
Thanks, kovacs, I think you just about summed it up.
 
 
doctorbeck
09:20 / 25.10.05
>I fail to see that there's anything wrong with that.

i'd be very worried if anyone did to be honest, just interested that another layer to a childhood favourite character has been relealed to me

did anyone catch that radio 4 programme a few months back called 'was superman jewish?', about that sense of exile from the destroyed home, fitting in, 'passing' for gentile. quite a bit better than it might sound.
 
 
Jack Fear
09:41 / 25.10.05
Dude, Superman isn't just Jewish—he's Moses fachrissakes.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:35 / 25.10.05
Although I myself am exaccerbating it by posting this, may i say;

SHIT THREAD! DIE SHIT THREAD!
 
 
Axolotl
10:44 / 25.10.05
DoctorBeck: Sorry, I thought your "Oy vey" was an exclamation of regret at Ben Grimm being jewish. Like yourself I thought it was interesting & nice little nod of the the head to the King to adopt it as canon.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:55 / 25.10.05
Just stumbled accross this little piece that seems somewhat relavent.
How Jews Invented The Comic book
by Jay Schwartz
    ...Most of the Jews who breathed life into the comics have origin stories worthy of a comic superhero: Depression-era teens dodging Yiddish hucksters and predatory gangsters, and displaying some superhuman chutzpah.

    Says San Francisco's Trina Robbins, a Jewish historian of women in the comics: "They either had to fight for themselves or be beaten up by the tough Irish kids. I don't know if it's in the genes, I don't know if it's the heritage, but there's a thing about Jews and communication."

    ...Robbins points out that Siegel and Shuster "didn't consciously think, 'Let's make Superman Jewish.' But they did like that 'Moses story.'"

    That's Moses as in Exodus and Leviticus.

    While the theory may not spark the heated controversy of evolution or quantum physics, the "Superman as Moses" hypothesis offers plenty to chew on.

    Superman's name on his home planet of Krypton, Kal-El, bares a strong resemblance to the Hebrew transliteration meaning "all that God is."

    Then, just before Superman's home planet blew up, his parents placed the infant Kal-El in a spaceship that sped towards an unknown destiny.

    Jones further draws the parallel, noting that Moses, too, is "sent down the river as a baby and raised by the others. But then his real self manifests later."

    ...Superman isn't the only closeted Jewish superhero. Poke a shade below the bright surfaces, and other lesser-known comic creations also appear to be colored by Judaism and Jewish culture.

    One of the most explicit is found in the ongoing saga of mutants in the Marvel Comics universe. A malevolent mutant named Magneto, associated with the ubiquitous X-Men, is a Holocaust survivor who helped found the nation of Genosha - intended to be a haven for mutants that have been persecuted all over the world.

    Magneto originally meets the founder of the X-Men, Charles Xavier, in Israel.

    Writers continue to mine the Jewish roots of Magneto and his mutant cohorts in recent issues. A spin-off from the X-Men called Excalibur chronicles how Charles Xavier collaborated with Magneto to help rebuild the war-ravaged Genosha (think "Hiroshima meets the Jewish state").

    ...Recently, Benjamin Grimm - the orange, rock-covered member of The Fantastic Four - returned to his roots as a Jew from the Lower East Side. Robbins speculates that Grimm, aka "The Thing," was the alter ego of creator Jack Kirby.

    "The Thing was Jack," she suggests.

    In the Green Lantern comic books, the beings known as "The Guardians of the Universe" were reportedly based on the physical appearance of Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion - though the Guardians never retired to a kibbutz.


now this next bit I find rather curious.
    ...The concept of secret identity is as much a part of the superhero formula as super powers. Wonder Woman, the Martian Manhunter and Thor have secret identities that are either average or less-than-average Joes. In Thor's case, the god of thunder dwelled among mortal men under the guise of a doctor with a lame leg.

    And who are Thor's creators? Jack Hertzberg and Stan Lieber.

    Lieber is the guy who changed his name to Stan Lee and went on to found Marvel Comics, perhaps the gold standard of the comic book industry. Why go from Lieber to Lee? Like countless other Jewish professionals, Lee wanted to give himself a more "mainstream"-sounding name.

    A secret identity of his own?

    "It's about passing," Robbins suggests. "All the heroes then had secret identities. And the writers had to pass as gentiles. Bruce Wayne isn't Jewish even if Bob Kane was."

    As Jones sees it, Jewish immigrants felt "superior, but had to put on this garb and behavior that was less threatening to the goy. You were going through this centuries-long test, for whatever reason, that could have broken down your sense of self-esteem, but you also had to remember that you had a special destiny."

    Says Robbins: "Let's face it: Jews, including me, tend to think they're a little superior. But they don't like to say it too much to non-Jews because that's why they get persecuted. So here's all these heroes and they really are superior. They all have fabulous powers but they have to keep them hidden, because if people find out they'll persecute them."


those are just coise bits, the whole article can be found in the above link.
 
  

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