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EmberLeo
16:46 / 23.01.07
Am I on crack or is augury the positive sign and an omen is the negative sign? I think I'm making that up really...

As far as I know Augury is using animal guts for divination. Omens are naturally occurring. Neither presumes negative connotations. "Bad Omen" is not supposed to be redundant.

--Ember--
 
 
Ticker
16:52 / 23.01.07
you can do augury with animal movements and lightening not just guts....

this is getting rotty so if it is a bigger topic maybe it needs it's own thread.
 
 
Quantum
18:57 / 23.01.07
An If You've Got The Guts... thread on animal divination?
I would like to bring up the word 'ominous' in relation to omens, which has negative connotations- I think of 'Omen' as a portent of doom, the Omen films are dark etc etc.
 
 
Ticker
19:07 / 23.01.07
right. I'm just in the habit of using auguries and omens as polarities.
thanks Mr. Q!
 
 
EmberLeo
19:35 / 23.01.07
Is it worth it's own thread?

"Omen" and "Doom" both have some negative connotations (especially "Doom") from common use that, AFAIK aren't part of the original definitions. I had no idea Augury could refer to the actions of live animals. That's nifty.

Mordant - using your point system (or not, I suppose) I don't require quite as much confirmation for most things as you do, but some kinds of confirmation don't count at all for me when something strikes me as drastic, extreme, potentially dangerous, or otherwise against my better judgement or resources. I think, to me, Synchronicity-based Divination (which I'd also call "omens") count for a bit more, especially from unrelated sources, but again, it depends on the scale.

It's an interesting question, though - when trying to determine what qualifies as confirmation that your work is good, how do you trust yourself to interpret?

--Ember--
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
01:21 / 24.01.07
Have you ever thought about an a.5 of having someone else confirm through uninformed divination? Meaning you ask a skilled source to do a general reading and see if it comes up with a journey mention/flag?

I sometimes get a friend or family member to do a general reading for me after a particularly heavy night Out. Sometimes something will show up, sometimes not. I guess including these flags as a .5 is a good idea.
 
 
Ticker
14:44 / 24.01.07
yeah the concensus I've heard from folks is a blind reading from a trusted source *before* the work really does help determine if it's bullshit or valid. for truly epic work mulitple readings from multiple sources is fine.

For really elaborate shite I also run it by someone who has an indepth personal experience in the general area. We might not have manuals, but usually we can learn from other people's experiences.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:24 / 27.01.07
I've been thinking about this a lot, and I think I've essentially decided what the best response is. I can't stop this from happening, but that doesn't mean I can't take control of the situation in a different way. Instead of trying to refuse, or going along with the work but being all bratty about it, I'm going to buckle down and get good at it. Learn new skills and techniques. Make it a regular part of my practice. Hopefully that way I'll become better able to sort out what's important and what's not, and will also be able to learn more from trips Out.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:39 / 07.09.07
And back again...

I've been working with this for the past few months, and I've done a lot of re-evaluating. I'm getting less involutary stuff these days, largely because I've learned to stop kicking against the work and permit myself to do it without stressing too much.

I still find myself Out There from time to time, but it seems now that I'll get a "flight plan" more often. Something else that's been happening is not faring-forth exactly (because I'm still quite conscious of being in my body, and can come out to respond to people if they speak to me), more a kind of bilocation. The input I get there is less... literal, I guess, less "I went here and talked to this guy" and more "I saw such.and-such a place, and seemed to communicate with so and so as if we were seperated by a transparent barrier."

One thing I've learned to do is to handle the experiences more gently, without feeling the need to embrace them utterly as really-reall-real or completely false. I find it more profitable to record what happened, honour the experience, without sticking it in one box or another unless I have recieved time-sensitive or urgent data requiring action.

As an aside, I'd say that one big problem I've encountered in learning about evaluating this kind of work and experience has been finding people I could discuss it with. There's a huge, huge resistance in many quarters to any kind of evaluation, to applying any kind of filter, or to recognising different varieties of experience. You're supposed to treat an account of a serious shamanic journey resulting in verifiable meatspace effects in precisely the same way as someone's astral dinner-date with Sephiroth off of Final Fantasy. I'm not saying that a person might not find such an encounter beneficial and worthwhile in some way, but having experienced both varieties myself I'm reluctant to put "...and then I woke up with a bruise where the dog bit me, to find the patients' fever had broken..." in the same category as "...and then he said I was really Aeris in a past life and he's a good guy now and we're gonna get married!..."
 
  

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