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Solitaire Rose Knows Comics, just ask him!

 
  

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Aertho
13:32 / 28.09.05
Solitaire:

What was the identity was the original Shadowhawk? Who were the other possibilities? How long did the mystery last?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:51 / 28.09.05
>> Odd fact, Power Pack had a live action pilot in the late 80's and nearly made it to a prime time series...and the parents were pased on Walt and Louise Simonson.

Weeeird. Did this pilot ever actually air anywhere? I've never heard of it.
 
 
buttergun
15:23 / 28.09.05
Okay, I have another early-comic memory, would appreciate if anyone knows the issue number...

This was when I was in grade school, around '80 - '82. I'm pretty sure it was a Blackhawk comic, published by DC. I've never read an issue of Blackhawk, so I can't give more details. But some kid brought this comic to class, and I recall it was about the BH team taking on some Nazi monster, which looked sort of like Solomon Grundy, only with sharklike teeth and, well, Nazi leanings. Does this ring any bells for any of you?
 
 
Shrug
18:25 / 28.09.05
It might be outside your range of expertise Solitaire but do you (or once again does anyone) know if the old 2000ad strip Night Zero was ever collected as a trade? Well either that or a good site detailing its, and other older 2000ad strips, plots and eventual outcomes.
 
 
doctorbeck
10:04 / 29.09.05
Oh Solitaire

does anyone ever make fun of superman for having had a mullet? doe the supermullet even exist in DC continuity? was it, like many things, john byrnes fault?
 
 
sleazenation
10:15 / 29.09.05
The superman that returned from the dead did have Lovejoy's hair...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:30 / 29.09.05
But this isn't a thread for that, so, ye olde founder of thread: Weirdest more showy-offy comic you can think of would be...?

I think it would have to be "Ed The Happy Clown" and Rick Vietch's "Dream" comics. I know it destroys my credibility, but in the 80's I felt that Chester Brown was just throwing in whatever he could to try and be weird and indy with shit dimentions...it didn't hold together for me at all. I loved his Autobiographical comics, and liked where he was going with Underwater, but Ed just seemed like "How weird can I get?" Then, when he stopped Underwater mid-story, I quit buying his work. He HE doesn't care enough about it to finish it, why should I?

And Vietch has done some good stuff, but he ventures into "weird for weird's sake" in his "Abraxas and the Earthmen", and his comic based on his dreams was pure weird wankery.

Let the hate commence (pause) now!
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:34 / 29.09.05
What was the identity was the original Shadowhawk? Who were the other possibilities? How long did the mystery last?

Dunno, because the series struck me as another "It's just like Batman, but he CRIPPLES PEOPLE!"...the secret was revealed at the end of the second mini-series and you have to buy a comic with a cardboard fold out cover that you TORE to get it to pop up and fold out.

Valentino has tried a few times to bring Shadowhawk back, first with Kurt Busiek writing it, and now with himself doing it, and no one seems to be at all interested, since it isn't even selling 10,000 copies at this point.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:35 / 29.09.05
Weeeird. Did this pilot ever actually air anywhere? I've never heard of it.

Never aired, but a bootleg might be floating around somewhere. I only know about it because Louise Simonson mentioned it in an interview, talking about how strange it was to see an actor playing a character she created that was based on herself.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:47 / 29.09.05
This was when I was in grade school, around '80 - '82. I'm pretty sure it was a Blackhawk comic, published by DC. I've never read an issue of Blackhawk, so I can't give more details. But some kid brought this comic to class, and I recall it was about the BH team taking on some Nazi monster, which looked sort of like Solomon Grundy, only with sharklike teeth and, well, Nazi leanings. Does this ring any bells for any of you?

The early 80's Blackhawk series was by Mark Evanier and Dan Speilgle, and ran from 1982 - 1984..and it was great and overlooked. Evanier went back to the original concept (when DC bought the rights, they turned the WWII pilots into a super-hero team with unintantionally hiarious reqults) and did straight WWII action stories, bringing in a few fantastic elements, but doing character based stories. Speigle, who did movie and TV adaptations for DELL and Gold Key through the 50's and 60's really shone in this book. DC did NOTHING to promote the book, and at the time, Evanier would write that he and Speigle were six months ahead on deadlines, yet DC would put "Information Unavailable At Press Time" in the solisitations, so he finally titled one of the stories Information Unavailable At Press Time.

The team went on to work on the Eclipse comic "Crossfire" which STARTED as a super-hero book and slowly became a detective book set in LA. It's in 50 cent bins around the world and is one fo the best series of the 80's.

The issue YOU are talking about sounds like #250, which was from 1977, and was almost as bad as the super-hero version of the team, and the last issue before Evanier revived the book in 1982.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
17:13 / 29.09.05
SR, how dare you disrespect Veitch's Rarebit Fiends?!? I will shank you.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
20:59 / 29.09.05
SR, how dare you disrespect Veitch's Rarebit Fiends?!? I will shank you.

Knife fight!

I'm sorry, but having been married at one point, I have to assert that there is nothing less interesting in the world than listening to someone explain their dreams in exhaustive detail.

I'm at the point where if the girl I am dating starts going on and on about her dreams, I'm looking for either the exits of the building, or the nearest charp object to pluge deep into my ears.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
00:32 / 30.09.05
No, there's nothing inherently interesting about other people's dreams, unless that other person is capable of drawing absolutely anything.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
00:33 / 30.09.05
That said, Veitch does definitely make things weird just to show off.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:31 / 30.09.05
does anyone ever make fun of superman for having had a mullet?

I'm ashamed to know this, but during the Zero Hour crossover, there's an incident very, very similar to Planetary/Batman, in which Superman runs into Batmans from various eras. This was just after Superman had come back from the dead sporting lovely long locks. Anyway, one of the Batmen sneers:

"What's with the hair? Turned 'hippy'?"
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
11:31 / 30.09.05
Also, in one of the Hitman storylines, there's a petition in the bar which I can't remmeber the name of for Superman to have his old haircut back...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
17:43 / 30.09.05
does anyone ever make fun of superman for having had a mullet? doe the supermullet even exist in DC continuity? was it, like many things, john byrnes fault?

After Superman "died" he came back with long hair...and he had it for a while and then got rid of it with little to no explanation. I think it was that the people working on Superman thought it made him look more modern than the "Spit curl" hairstyle he had in the 50's onward.

And Byrne had nothing to do with it...

...unless you want to blame him for the fact that Superman COULD get his hair cut now, since he is no longer invulnerable but instead projects a psychic force feild VERY close to his body so that he couldn't be hurt, but his cape could get all ripped up in cool ways.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
17:53 / 30.09.05
It might be outside your range of expertise Solitaire but do you (or once again does anyone) know if the old 2000ad strip Night Zero was ever collected as a trade? Well either that or a good site detailing its, and other older 2000ad strips, plots and eventual outcomes.

I'm a dopey American, so the ONLY 2000 AD stuff I know is the stuff that Eagle reprinted in the US in the early 80's...and I quit reading it when "Quality" took over, and the look of the reprints turned to complete and utter shit, with distorted art, and such bad reproduction that you couldn't make out the lettering. I know that 2000 AD is printed at a different ratio than 8 by 11 1/2 like American comics, but somehow Eagle was able to do it well...
 
 
Aertho
18:17 / 30.09.05
...unless you want to blame him for the fact that Superman COULD get his hair cut now, since he is no longer invulnerable but instead projects a psychic force feild VERY close to his body so that he couldn't be hurt, but his cape could get all ripped up in cool ways.

WTF?

So he's got tactile telekinesis now too?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
00:13 / 01.10.05
WTF?

So he's got tactile telekinesis now too?


Not really...he just constantly projects a force field that extends a fraction of an inch so that he can be invulnerable, yet still have a torn cape and look all cool and such.

It was a case of Byrne wanted to explain Superman's powers with pseudo science, which was a HORRIBLE trend in comics in the 80's when everything needed a scientific explanation. Superman is psychic but doesn't know it. Cyclops's eye blasts come from another dimention. Red Tornado is a wind elemental.

What's wrong with "They have super-powers. Either you buy the gimmick or you don't. Now, let's tell a decent story."
 
 
This Sunday
03:19 / 01.10.05
Byrne invented his Super-psychic-Man theory back in the days when he was at Marvel, applying them to Gladiator. It does explain things better in some regards, like how he can lift huge things and not have them crumble under their own weight, or do the Lois-in-deaddrop-catch without her going all pulpy impacting with his unbreakable arms.
Then again, is anyone ever really bothered by Supes doing that sort of thing? He's Superman for Crom's sake, just pretend he has magic plot-forwarding metatextual powers. Discovered right after the Superamnesiakiss. Super Hypertime Power!
 
 
LDones
04:08 / 01.10.05
They seemed for awhile to be pushing the idea that Superman was actually an energy being at base, in a very slowed state, which I think they imagined would account for much of his metatextual power-swapping.

From that whole Electric Superman business, and then through many of the plot developments in the Loeb/Kelly/Schultz/Casey years of the Superman titles, which I still feel are hugely underrated. They're also where Ed McGuinness and Doug Mahnke really broke into DC, along with Kano and Duncan Rouleau and a few other interesting artists.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
14:20 / 01.10.05
I thought the Cyclops thing was pretty cool, actually.
 
 
John Octave
22:16 / 01.10.05
In the original X-Men #1, Magneto shows up and Xavier's like "Woah, some Evil Mutant is on the loose!" No mention is made that he and Magneto have a past (sounds sordid) because obviously that plot point hadn't been invented yet.

So my questions that spring from this are:
1.) At what point in the comic did the whole "Xavier and Magneto were mates" come about? Issue number or basic ballpark figure. It was a Claremont idea, yes?
2.) Why did Xavier hide this info from his students? Too many embarassing questions arising from him having been good friends with a now-genocidal maniac?
3.) When the X-Men finally found out about the Xavier-Magneto connection, were they pissed at having had the secret kept from them? Or was it retconned that the X-Men ALWAYS knew, and just never made reference to this on-panel in a Stan Lee comic?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
22:38 / 01.10.05
1.) At what point in the comic did the whole "Xavier and Magneto were mates" come about? Issue number or basic ballpark figure. It was a Claremont idea, yes?

Yes. He hinted at it when he brought back Magneto from being turned into a baby in an old issue of the Defenders, but it wasn't completely laid bare until later in the run. I think it makes the character more interesting, myself. When done properly, it makes both characters more interesting, and plays on the "MLK/Malcolm X" dichotomy.

2.) Why did Xavier hide this info from his students? Too many embarassing questions arising from him having been good friends with a now-genocidal maniac?

It wasn't really hidden in storyline...the X-Men just kind of seemed to have always known about it. I would imagine that if Byrne's (there he is again) X-Men, The Hidden Years would have continued, as the only thing that series did was fix continuity errors between the First X-Men series and the Current X-Men series.

3.) When the X-Men finally found out about the Xavier-Magneto connection, were they pissed at having had the secret kept from them? Or was it retconned that the X-Men ALWAYS knew, and just never made reference to this on-panel in a Stan Lee comic?

See above...although that would be a great story for the "X-Men Unlimited" series. The fanboy inside me would think that Cyke would have been furious when his found out...another fatherly betrayl.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
22:44 / 01.10.05
Then again, is anyone ever really bothered by Supes doing that sort of thing? He's Superman for Crom's sake, just pretend he has magic plot-forwarding metatextual powers. Discovered right after the Superamnesiakiss. Super Hypertime Power!

I agree. As long as his powers don't change from story to story, just say he's the last survior of the planet Krypton and move on with it.

I have NEVER read a story about EXPLAINING a character's power that was worth reading.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
23:30 / 01.10.05
Speaking of, I know a little about the risible feud between John Byrne and Jim Shooter, with the former detonating the latter's hometown of Pittsburgh in Starbrand when he took it's scripting duties - can you detail some of the more pathetic/amusing pro-battles over the years, preferably avoiding the aforementioned Johnny B?

There have been a lot of them over the years, most of which seemed to have shown up in Marvel comics storylines...for a while, there was almost a weird glee in a writer coming onto a book and undoing everything the previous writer had done. The best being when Peter David undid Byrne's "Lockjaw is a human" story by showing that the Inhumans did it as a joke on Ben Grimm.

Then again, John Ostrander killed off Grant Morrison in an issue of "Suicide Squad" by making him "The Writer" who had the power to change things by writing about them...and when he was attacked by a villian, he got writer's block.

There have been other fueds...but the two that I find most interesting are Kirby vs Lee, and Bill Gaines's family vs Al Feldstein.

Kirby was furious at Stan Lee for YEARS, and took all kinds of pot-shots at him. In Mister Miracle he used the character "Funky Flashman" as a thinly veiled attack on Lee. Then, at the height of the art controversy when Marvel wouldn't give Jack his art back, he did an interview with the Comics Journal where Gary Groth prodded him into unleashing on Lee, claiming that Lee did nothing, blaming Lee for his problems with Marvel and the like.

Stan was personally hurt by it, saying that when he and Jack spoke, Jack never brought any of it up...and that he always thought Jack was a friend until he left for DC in 1970. The two men never really spoke after that, and there was never a reconciliation, which is a shame, since both of them were at the mercy of their bad memories, people with axes to grind and the fact that they both felt they had done the lion's share of the work.

In the case of the Gaines family vs Al Feldstien, Al was the editor of most of the EC stuff, as well as MAD after Kurtzman left and took it from a cult humor mag to one of the best selling magazines of the 60's and early 70's. In 1984, Feldstien and Gaines had a falling out over the content of MAD (Feldstien thought it was time to completely redesign the magazine and update it and Gaines wanted to leave well enough alone). Since Gaines's death, Feldstien has tried to publish an autobiography, and Gaines's wife and daughter will not allow him to use any of his work from EC or MAD unless they have editorial control of the book.

This feud has resulted in Feldstein's being removed from pretty much any official MAD or EC information, and he's usually listed as an "artist", which he was also the main writer and editor for the EC books NOT done by Kurtzman, and the man who edited MAD for almost 30 years, during its peak period. Since Feldstien is on-line, he and Gaines's daughter have had blistering e-mail fights on the EC discussion lists, often drawing fans to choose sides.

It's beneath everyone's dignity, and is depriving us of a book about the early days of EC to MAD at it's peak from the man who was in charge of it all.
 
 
buttergun
15:09 / 05.10.05
Solitaire,

The image on this page might be the comic I read as a kid. Apparently this cover was used twice, once for the book under review (Amazing World of DC), and before that for (apparently) a DC Giant. Do you know what Giant issue this cover was used for? It's sparking a lot of memories...if I'm remembering right, that comic I read as a kid had a bunch of supervillains, and the Flash story might just have been the first in the book, with other heroes' stories following:

Amazing World of DC
 
 
grant
17:42 / 05.10.05
Where is Apokolips?


And how does Aquaman informally address Superman?
 
 
Triplets
18:09 / 05.10.05
A fat beard in work keeps going on abou Death's Head. Who is he? Once I know I can go back to pretending not to know anything about comics or how to speak English at all...
 
 
Tim Tempest
18:14 / 05.10.05
>>>Odd<<< fact, Power Pack had a live action pilot in...yaddayadda.....

This might sound slightly conceeded, but I think someone summoned me.

Now, Mr. Rose, I have to ask...can you please explain to me 2 things?

1. Hypertime. In a nutshell. Does it matter, and why the hell should I care?

2. Vertigo. Constantine is a very cool character, and I want to see him hang out with Batman and the rest of the normal DCU. He chills with Doctor Fate, Doctor Fate hung out with Bats...Why can't Constantine just have an adventure with Batman and everybody else? I get that to put him into a DC book would be watering him down and making him not be able to swear as much...but other than that, is there any real reason that he can't? Some sort of continuity jumping problem? He's Vertigo, but he's not self-contained like The Invisibles or Preacher...So whats the deal?
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:12 / 05.10.05
Deaths Head was a Marvel UK character - a kind of giant robot terminator that bothered the Transformers for a while, before being shrunk and sent about in time, bumping into Dr Who and some others before getting his own series - he had a funny way of talking that ended in him asking questions all the time or something, yes? Was quite fun, but not sure what happened to him after body destroyed, redesign and shrinkage.

bbc info
 
 
sleazenation
19:38 / 05.10.05
Death's Head's creators weren't involved in the revamp to turn him into Death's Head II - they got their revenge tho in What If 54, where they got to save the original death's head (and kill the fantastic four and a load of other characters along the way)...
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:48 / 05.10.05
"Why can't Constantine just have an adventure with Batman and everybody else?"

The fear on DC's part is that younger readers will then follow Vertigo characters back to their Vertigo Mature Readers titles leading to some Mom in Dogshit, OK to prolapse that her daughter is learning the dark arts from her Superman comics. The Vertigo/DCU barrier really hasn't run both ways since Grant Morrison's JLA. They even edited a Constantine reference out of Seven Soldiers: Zatanna #1
 
 
X-Himy
19:59 / 05.10.05
Other than the Sandman/Daniel reference in JLA, what other references have there been? There was a Zatanna one shot a couple years back called Everyday Magic, it involved her trying to rescue Constantine after he had sex with a demon or something. Books of Magic and Sandman had references for sure, and Swamp Thing post Moore occupies a very strange terrain.
 
  

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