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Solitaire Rose Knows Comics, just ask him!

 
  

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Tim Tempest
21:35 / 05.10.05
I get that Constantine can't go into DC mainstream character books, but why can't they come to him? Have a Vertigo published Batman/Constantine series. It'd be awesome. John would talk, and Bruce wouldn't.

But besides the "little kids can't read Constantine" problem, is there any actual continuity issue that prevents this?
 
 
Jack Fear
00:01 / 06.10.05
Time to grow up, son: Continuity bows before commerce. And lawsuits are bad for business.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
02:37 / 06.10.05
"I get that Constantine can't go into DC mainstream character books, but why can't they come to him?"

Same reason. They don't want kids going "Oh, look Batman!" and buying "Hellblazer/Batman: The Long Dark Kight of the Soul" and finding it full of tits, the f-bomb and people trying to be Neil Gaiman.

I'm not Solitaire Rose, but I've read a few of DiDio's interviews on the subject and talked to Paul Jenkins about it once at a con.

There's no continuity reason for it. There's historicaly been plenty of interplay... Hell, Constantine was at Hal Jordan's funeral... the JLA teamed up with several Sandmen, the fucking Scarab was in JSA ect... it's just DC's post 9/11 business model to not have the two brands interact.

(Which is a shame, cause I'd love to see an Elseworlds where the staggering drunk who got the last Green Lantern ring after Hal went crazy was not Kyle, but John Constantine. *grin*)
 
 
The Falcon
09:58 / 06.10.05
Aye, but you could have Conners in a DC book with those &#!$ bits. Or, you know, no swearing et breasts.

The Scarab was in JSA?! Really...?
 
 
Mario
12:38 / 06.10.05
Aye...he was involved in the first storyline, which brought back Doctor Fate.
 
 
penitentvandal
19:02 / 07.10.05
What is the correct way to refer to Scottish comix scribe Grant 'Grant Morrison' Morrison? I thought it was okay to just use his real name, but then all the cool kids in my school started calling him George, so I did too. Then people started using other names for him, so I decided that, to be cool, I would start calling him Gerontius Mabinogion, and now no-one will talk to me. Recently everyone seems to have gone back to calling him Grant. If I start doing that, do you think people will stop dragging me into the toilet and asking if I want to see the blue fish again?

Yours,
Worried in Washington
 
 
Aertho
19:07 / 07.10.05
Shouldn't this go to Von Mises?
 
 
John Octave
19:40 / 07.10.05
Good luck with that. I asked Von Mises a question weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response. I fear Von Mises, much like God, has abandoned us. Probably gone to some sort of capitalist Valhalla.
 
 
Tim Tempest
22:03 / 09.10.05
Solitaire Rose...I remember reading in Wizard a few years ago that early on in Morrison's New X-Men run, there was some little prank that the artists did where they secretly wrote the word "sex" on every page. I don't remember which issue of X-Men it was, nor the issue of Wizard in which I saw it, but, Solitaire Rose, could you please tell me which issue it was? It would save me minutes of exhaustive research.

And are you in any way related to the formerly-employed-by-Wizard comic advice columnist: 'The Collector'? You remind me of comics crotchety cosmic guru.

(And the word 'crotchety' isn't meant as offensive, it was a part of his esteemed title).
 
 
The Falcon
23:00 / 09.10.05
The by-now infamous 'sex' issue of NXM was #117.
 
 
Tim Tempest
00:58 / 10.10.05
Thanks dude.
 
 
Billuccho!
02:01 / 10.10.05
Huh, never heard about that NXM "sex" gag...
 
 
John Octave
04:31 / 10.10.05
And somewhere the ghost of Fredric Wertham cries "See? You SEE?"
 
 
The Falcon
06:47 / 10.10.05
Sorry, #118, actually.
 
 
Just Add Water
16:02 / 10.10.05
With all the adamantium in him, wouldn't Wolverine sink, or is buoyancy a secret mutant power of his?
 
 
Tim Tempest
17:06 / 10.10.05
#118! Phew...I was searching exhaustively in #117, and finally gave up thinking that all of the skills I developed from several years of "Where's Waldo?" must have worn off...But now my hope lives!

Thanks a ton for clarifying.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:13 / 15.10.05
1. Hypertime. In a nutshell. Does it matter, and why the hell should I care?

Hypertime is a nice way of saying "Continuity is what the writer wants it to be" and a very elegant solution to the problem of trying to have a consistant universe after 70 years of comics, at least 50 of which editors didn't care about previous issue continuity, let alone across different series. I don't think anyone should care, since it's been ignored since it came up, and will be moot after the current Crisis.

2. Vertigo. Constantine is a very cool character, and I want to see him hang out with Batman and the rest of the normal DCU. He chills with Doctor Fate, Doctor Fate hung out with Bats...Why can't Constantine just have an adventure with Batman and everybody else? I get that to put him into a DC book would be watering him down and making him not be able to swear as much...but other than that, is there any real reason that he can't? Some sort of continuity jumping problem? He's Vertigo, but he's not self-contained like The Invisibles or Preacher...So whats the deal?

The deal is that DC did not want to mix its adult line with its all ages line. Constantine started in Swamp Thing right as DC started having a "mature readers" line (which consisted of one book, Swamp Thing). Constantine actually came out of Swamp Thing's "Crisis" tie-in and was the first tiem DC tried to get rid of a lot of their magic based characters. When his book started, it was also a mature readers only comic, and because it was primarily a horror comic, they kept the super-hero elements out of it...pretty much after the JLA appearance in Gainman's "Sandman", the mainline DC heroes were kept out of the Vertigo books and vice versa. Rumors are that it was because Paul Levitz didn't want to have to explain the Vertigo stuff in case a younger reader picked up one of the books to get a "Hawk and Dove" tie-in or somesuch. It was a blurry line, to be sure, what with Animal Man in the JLE for a while, and a few isolated others, but for the most part, the lines were kept separate.

I think it was smart of Vertigo to keep the line between the two lines. It let Vertigo be more than just "adult super-heroes", and could explore new genres.

As for a Batman "mature readers" bok...they've done a few, but they keep them in the high priced formats to keep them from being considered kids books. I don't know how well it works, but I haven't seen a story about parents angry about mature super-heroes in a long time, so it must be working.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:17 / 15.10.05
With all the adamantium in him, wouldn't Wolverine sink, or is buoyancy a secret mutant power of his?

They have played with this in some stories, including the famous "Wolverine vs the Hellfire club" story where his skeleton washed him down the sewers. I would imagine with his super-strength, he's able to swim if the writers need him too...and a LOT of writers in the 90's just didn't put that much thought into what they did with him.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:20 / 15.10.05
There's no continuity reason for it. There's historicaly been plenty of interplay... Hell, Constantine was at Hal Jordan's funeral... the JLA teamed up with several Sandmen, the fucking Scarab was in JSA ect... it's just DC's post 9/11 business model to not have the two brands interact.

It's more than just post 9/11...and was around at the beginning of Vertigo back in 1994. DC has also moved a number of comics from before Vertigo into the line if they were aimed at Mature Readers.

Did Vertigo do anything for the line's 10th anniversary? I don't remember them making a big deal out of it
 
 
Spaniel
21:55 / 15.10.05
Er, does Wolverine have super-strength?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
22:51 / 15.10.05
No, he's just hella-strong, which is a step down from super-strong.
 
 
Spaniel
23:03 / 15.10.05
'swhat I thought.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
00:09 / 16.10.05
Er, does Wolverine have super-strength?

He'd have to be in order to have a skeleton that weighs a few hundred pounds, or he'd just lay there on the floor...the best t what he does: Being a nice doorstop.
 
 
Just Add Water
00:14 / 16.10.05
With all the adamantium in him, wouldn't Wolverine sink, or is buoyancy a secret mutant power of his?

They have played with this in some stories, including the famous "Wolverine vs the Hellfire club" story where his skeleton washed him down the sewers. I would imagine with his super-strength, he's able to swim if the writers need him too...and a LOT of writers in the 90's just didn't put that much thought into what they did with him.


Thank you for your time and for your reply.

I take it you are referring to the sewer part in The Dark Phoenix Saga? Not to nitpick, but I just checked that in the tpb, and Wolverine was almost unconscious when he hit the water, because Leland had increased Wolverine's mass and sent him plunging through three floors. He was then washed away. No reference to Adamantium, I'm afraid.

I happily accept your explanation about his strength, though.

My wife was the one who originally asked me this, and my own explanation was that Adamantium isn't necessarily heavy because it's strong. Like carbon fibre, which is light yet extremely durable. Or... I dunno - diamonds?

Anyway, on to Jack Kirby if you wish. I once had an issue or two of Captain Victory, but I know pitifully little about it, so if you wish to expound?
 
 
PatrickMM
00:24 / 16.10.05
Vertigo did a sampler book for a bunch of its upcoming series called Vertigo X back on the tenth anniversary. It had teasers for the new books and a bunch of interviews with the old guard of writers. I think Endless Nights may have also been a ten year anniversary tie in.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
01:27 / 16.10.05
Wolverine's bones are hollow and filled with ephemrium, a gas which is lighter than helium, thus negating the extra mass and giving him a normal bodyweight for a person of his height and muscle mass, that is, hella-muscular.
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:01 / 16.10.05
Really? So When Magneto de-adamantiumed him, why wasn't he all flighty and bouncy, like that Mojoverse kid who became an x-man before running away with Dazzler (whatever his name was).

I'd always put it down to adamantium being light, like aluminium or something, but strong like titanium. Explained cap's shield flying through the air so well - although of course Cap's stronger than the average, sooooo...
 
 
Spaniel
09:54 / 16.10.05
Geek fanwank time.

Adamantium is supposed to be nigh on unbreakable, right? That being the case, Wolverine's bones would only need to be coated with a very, very thin layer.

Also, like all geeks I've read my fair share of fact files and I've never seen Wolverine described as super-strong.
 
 
sleazenation
10:35 / 16.10.05
I thought that Capt. A's shield was made out of an adamantium/vibrainium alloy...
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:05 / 16.10.05
Sleazenation, you're right, that's how they explained how he pulled off the jump out of a plane and cushion his fall on his shield. However, by this, shouldn't his shield also not hurt anyone when it hits them?
 
 
Just Add Water
14:19 / 16.10.05
that Mojoverse kid who became an x-man before running away with Dazzler (whatever his name was).

Longshot?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:34 / 16.10.05
Boboss- surely even a thin coating would add up when multiplied by the entire surface area of every bone in his body?

Maybe still not quite enough, but a fair bit...
 
 
Tim Tempest
14:34 / 16.10.05
The X-Babies.

Someone explain this to me please.
 
 
Aertho
14:35 / 16.10.05
What was Superman : Godfall all about?
 
 
Tim Tempest
14:44 / 16.10.05
In Godfall he went to Kandor, and changed his suit. I bought an issue of it because it looked cool when he started getting wailed on by Doomsday...but it all turned out to be some sort of mirage...but there's this little robot that I think hung out with Luthor...and I need that cleared up.
 
  

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