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Lost (THE UK THREAD)

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15:51 / 12.08.05

They do? I just figured that they didn't when that was posted....

Shows you how much I was paying attention, although I did notice that the pilot was Greg Grunberg (Eric from Alias)

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20:09 / 12.08.05

Personally, I'd prefer it if it was just the C4 episodes (I don't get E4).
But seeing as how Xoc's started a thread specifically to avoid discussion of later US-aired episodes, I'd imagine that's right out.

22:30 / 12.08.05

Ganesh: is Fox's account of his OR experience the result of bad writing, or exaggeration on his part?

Could be either, but I think it's probably bad writing. Nerves just don't "spill out" that way; they tend to be pretty well-tethered. It irritates me because a medical advisor's hardly going to cost them dear, but it's apparently an expense they've spared.

02:04 / 13.08.05

Lost slated by Castaway author for being "too unrealistic". She later went on to lambast Sonic the Hedgehog for being anatomically incorrect.

02:07 / 13.08.05

And everyone knows nerves are more like chitarra. Typical.

08:40 / 13.08.05

I agree - NO SPOILERS!!!! It seems to me that part of the fun of this show is the little bits that get revealed to you episode after episode. Let's not ruin it!

I have to say I find it interesting that the press reaction the first episodes are getting are rather similar to the Barbeloid reaction.

tea and biscuits

09:58 / 13.08.05

Interesting that everyone seems to have a problem with the stereotyping of every character but the hotheaded redneck.

If you want to find out what the Korean dialogue actually was then it's translated in the episode transcripts on Lost-TV. (Spoiler warning: If you consider episode titles a spoiler then don't click.)

It's pretty much vital that no matter how smug you might be feeling about knowing many of the future twists you don't mention anything to do with any episodes beyond what C4 is showing here. (Except commenting that Ep 4 is fantastic and should change your view about the show if you haven't liked it before then.) The show is pretty much built on the slow reveal of the characters so even something like "You won't think he's bad for long." could ruin the pacing of an episode.

There are plenty of other Lost threads, let's keep this one clean.

11:21 / 13.08.05

Okay, so this is going to be a little difficult for me because I have seen the whole series, and there are things I want to say that I don't consider spoilers but others mights. So I'm going to restrict myself to saying that yeah some of the characters are a little stereotypical, and that yeah sure they develop subsequently, but that I think it's a bit more interesting than 'bad people become good'. Seems more like it's apparently good and bad people get way more complicated and confused.

The thing I do want to say, which isn't a spoiler because it's in the first episode but which no one here has mentioned yet (and which I found out about much later) is that you guys should watch the bit where the guy gets sucked into the jet engine more closely. If you have Tivo or Sky+ that would be ideal. It might alleviate some of your concerns about that scene (or make them worse). If I find a video online, I'll post it here...

11:36 / 13.08.05

17:12 / 13.08.05

Is it a bird?

18:01 / 13.08.05

It's cool, isn't it. When I first saw the image around the internet I didn't believe it - it looked like it had been added on, but then I went back and looked at the episode in question. It's definitely there, although it's incredibly brief and almost impossible to notice when watching at normal speed. Pretty sure it's not a bird! But god knows what it is...

23:31 / 13.08.05

Having watched three seasons of Alias (and all four of Felicity, although it's such a different show that it's maybe not relevant here), I have to say I really don't trust Abrams. I'd like to be proved wrong. However, my big problem with Alias was a gradual but definite conviction that there was no long-term plan - that they were repeatedly painting themselves into ever smaller corners and struggling to get out - and the set-up of Lost suggests that the same problem could recur. That said, in my experience shows with fantastic pilots often fail to deliver in the long term, while many of my favourite programmes had fairly mediocre beginnings, so maybe there's reason to be hopeful...

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00:02 / 14.08.05

Y'see this is my fear (and all you with future knowledge, back off): that the makers of 'Lost' really don't have a definite idea where it's going. In which case you have the X-Files. In which case, no thank you. If they can't actually decide what the nature of the catastrophe is, then I can't be arsed. That said, as these things go, I kind of like it.

01:22 / 14.08.05

Not sure where Tom's video clip comes from but the version that I saw definitely had a guy being sucked into the engine...

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06:57 / 14.08.05

The Tom clip occurs shortly after the man sucked in the engine...

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06:58 / 14.08.05

The Tom clip occurs shortly after the man sucked in the engine...

Rods!

yawn - thing's buddy

10:41 / 14.08.05

so - I'll chuck in ma usual invisibles shtick . . .

it's a game, innit.

'palomar' crossed with 'warlock of firetop mountain'.

13:42 / 14.08.05

Oh yeah - it *is* in the copy i saw - just hadn't noticed it before...

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20:35 / 14.08.05

It would be interesting to check for any more of those dark, moving shapes appearing at any other point where part of the plane blows up: obviously the crash scene itself, but also the part where part of the fuselage collapses and the doctor saves that woman. Some sort of malevolent spirits?

21:28 / 14.08.05

Not to dampen the speculation too much, but watching the rest of that scene again there's an enormous amount of black material from the wreckage being whipped about by the jet engine. Could be the same thing here... Only bigger... And coincidentally timed...

Regrettable Juvenilia

22:57 / 14.08.05

What I really like about the concept of this show is that so much of what the characters tell us and each other about themselves could be lies - which in turn invites us to read potential significance into every little detail. So Jack starts off as our POV character, but I already have heaps of questions about him:

- what's that tattoo?
- does he really know about planes because he took a few flying lessons and then decided it wasn't for him, OR was he some kind of black ops military doctor/pilot type super soldier guy (in a unit where they all got the same tattoos, aha!)
- what was he really up to in between helping Charlie escape the invisible monster and running into Charlie and Kate later?
- he wakes up quite a distance from the crash site - did he just run at first and then collapse, or was he thrown all that way, in which case why is he not more injured?

Now at least one of these is probably meaningless, but knowing how barmy Alias is at times, I am expecting teh unexpected.

Baldie from X-Files/Millenium/Alias is ALWAYS PORTENTOUS.

11:44 / 15.08.05

what was he really up to in between helping Charlie escape the invisible monster and running into Charlie and Kate later?

After re-watching the episode on E4 (I'd nipped out for a fag during this bit last Wednesday) this is the bit that's really bothering me. No, I mean it. Really bothering me. To the point where I can't eat.

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11:56 / 15.08.05

The comic Walt finds in the pilot is Green Lantern/The Flash: Faster Friends, in which GL is attacked by a polar bear.

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12:04 / 15.08.05

On a moddy tip - I'd suggest that we make this a terrestrial thread, and start another thread for people who are watching on E4 to discuss the "next" episode for people who are watching E4 and want to discuss stuff that would otherwise spoil people who do not have E4. The E4 thread may be reasonably low-traffic, but wit means that someone w/ E4 can pop into both threads and discuss their viewing while keeping this thread "clean".

Any (worthwhile) objections?

13:17 / 15.08.05

I agree. I think we should keep this in line with the Channel 4 transmissions.

I’m enjoying this too. Much more than I expected. I have the same issues with the script that others do, although my biggest problem with the ‘her nerves just fell out like angelhair pasta’ anecdote wasn’t so much the physiological implausibility, but what a shit story it turned out to be. ‘…And then I sewed her up and it was fine’. Oh.
Sayid’s precision in dating the distress call also rankled. ‘The message is about 30 seconds long….’. The key word being ‘about’, I’d have thought. If it turns out that it *is* 16 years old (rather than the 14 or 18 it would have been if he was 2 or 3 seconds out on his guesstimation), then it’s going to irritate me. Or rather, it’s going to make me read things into his character which, if based on a red herring, is going to irritate me.
Also, I’m not mad keen on the Parkinsons camerawork in the interior scenes. That ruined the cockpit scene for me, and it just seemed so unnecessary given how great the set was and the tension that was already built in.

The stereotyping didn’t really bother me at all at the time given that I kinda thought that that was what the show was going to be all about. But if that’s not ultimately there for the subversion, I'm going to be disappointed.

Another thing that struck me when I caught some of the repeat of ep 1 was how many clues and references are littered about. Only then did I notice Kate rubbing her wrists as she first emerges from the jungle, the polar bear in the boy’s comic… I assume there are lots lots more.

I tend to agree with Nalvage on the engine explosion, but that gif is hypnotising none the less.

15:04 / 15.08.05

I watched the first three this weekend, and enjoyed it a lot.

Offhand, I can’t think of an opening twenty minutes or so of a TV drama which grabbed my attention and wouldn’t let it go so effectively. That was enjoyable in itself, and although I can see how it could quickly become a cliché, I’m fine about the flashback format so far.

The ‘things rumbling in the grass’ made me think of that Ambrose Bierce story – The Damned Thing, is it ?

Anyone know if the technology to do a signal and count the iterations was around and in use 16 (ish) years ago?

Oh, and I gather that the people working on the programme have stated that the people on the island DID survive the crash, so that’s one theory dismissed. Thankfully.

Be interested to see how this pans out, and if it continues to look as if they know what they’re doing story-wise, or if it’ll outstay its welcome (like, say, the X-Files). Hope it’s the former, as I’m watching precious little TV at the moment, and it’s nice to get my licence-fee’s worth every now and then.

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15:12 / 15.08.05

tend to agree with Nalvage on the engine explosion, but that gif is hypnotising none the less.

Way-ull...If you get to the passenger list on the website and move your cursor about a bit, lots of too-rapid-for-the-eye black widgets start flying around...

...hmmmmm....

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15:20 / 15.08.05

here is the oceanic-air website...the passenger seating list for the flight, if you click on 35 H (Jack's seat) leads to Charlie's seat (29 C) and a graphic of Drive Shaft backstage pass...then this wyrd little diary comes up that looks like the irritating spoilt girl, but may not be...quite a big site to delve around in....

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15:32 / 15.08.05

Ooh! This is moist intriguement...

Passenger Rutherford, Shannon in seat 9F has two results on a click : one is a flickering black/transparent 'face' which never appears, and the other is a map, with lots of scientific formulae on it, and a cross section picture of hills, with the following pencil writing:

'Face au vent'

'A des reflets d'argent...la mer des
reflects changeant
au bord de la tang
une interiute (???)
regret bleus'

'cote sauvage
vents d'ouest'

'la mer gu'on (???) votre
danser le long des
golfes clairs...
a des reflets d'argent'

WTF? The question marks are mine, and some gwave (however you spell that) accents missing from 'e's, and a few words hard to make out / smudged.

It's French I take it, or pidgin French, any translations?

Highly intriguing.

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15:37 / 15.08.05

Ooh! Ooh! Guess what?

Can we include website investigation here? It's not really spoiler is it?

Newspaper clipping on the website of what seems to be our Golden Boy Jack :

"Chief surgeon loses job after Death of Patient"

and a dead looking patient, plus a drawer filled with booze and pills and stuff I rather pathetically failed to click on...but, navigate round a bit on the 'desk' with the clipping on it, and there's a phone with ansaphone messages...

Some very spooky and muffled and dark sounding.

One from 'James' for 'Jack', saying 'Just callling to see how your doing, I know you went to Australia, lets hook up when you get back...' BEEP

I like this Private Eye bizniz.

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15:43 / 15.08.05

I had the most surreal and irritating experience at work last night of having to write a summary of a tabloid article about stuff that happens in Lost in several episodes' time, while trying not to read the thing for fear of spoilage.

O'Quinn is THE MAN. Although he'll always be Peter Watts to me (and, on occasion, Santiago). As Flyboy says, he's always portentous. He seems to be the latterday casting equivalent of that guy who played Bobby's dad in Twin Peaks and was in a bunch of other stuff.

So this 25-episode season is a Season One, rather than a complete story in itself, then, yes?

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15:43 / 15.08.05

Thickening plot...Have now read the newspaper clipping about the doctor, and it is our Dr. Shepherd...

Skipped the country.

Shall I shut up? Is this spoiler? It's all right there in the site, so I'm either depriving you of fun or saving you precious time (I have some to waste).

Pray tell.

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15:49 / 15.08.05

OK, from good ol' Babelfish, the french stuff is:

vis-a-vis the wind

With money reflections... sea of the reflections changing at the edge of the tang a interiute (???) regret blue

dimension wild winds of west

the sea gu' one (???) your to dance along the clear gulfs... has money reflections

OK, some of it is a bit knackered, but holding out high hopes for some trans-dimensional weird freaky science and, er, money reflections.

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15:58 / 15.08.05

The patient killed by 'Dr Shephard' (could be his father??) was called Samatha (sic) Boone...isn't Boone the evil-looking dude with the prissy sister???

Also found a photograph with a woman (not a passenger, I don't think) and a small boy, with 'Will You Save Me?' very faintly inscribed into the top of the photo (quite hard to read)...got here through an unidentified old dude sitting in a chair drinking spirits, addressing a young boy (Jack, I think) and saying 'When you fail - You just don;t have what it takes.'

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15:59 / 15.08.05

Oh, and a womans voice saying - 'You have to go get your father, Jack'.

And Jack saying 'Where is he?'

to which the answer is 'Australia'.

Great website!

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