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Seth: I agree totally with you, that I’d rather be there in the flesh than communicating with people over the net, even on a board with such (relatively) high standards as Barbelith. Barbelith has always been a IRL social jump off point for me, as much as a net work-timekiller (due to career changes it’s not been very much of the latter for me the last year, and may not be again come September).
I’m sure that that the limitations of the magick forum and the occasional mad spats (the last one being Transducer) are greatly exacerbated due to the limitations of an electronic medium. I’m not saying that real life magical orders never fell out, but that any initial disagreements or misunderstandings get amplified hugely.
Simply put, I wonder if they’re aren’t inherent limits to discussing this sort of stuff online. Eventually, it gets to the point where you amassed enough free PDFs and read enough good threads, and you either act on that information , or you lose interest and go and do something else. Fundamental to the “magick” I’m interested in is experience of life (if indeed we want to divide the two), and while the internet is great for many things, experiential learning and growth isn’t one of them. At the end of the day, you’re staring at a small screen, ignoring your body and your senses (and usually, other people). As I said, my earlier post began with an awareness of these limitations and the desire to see what other people make of them.
I think the forum might’ve run it’s course for me, in that I’ve asked a lot of the questions I want to ask of people, road tested some ideas. Off Barbelith, I’ve discovered a set of practices that I’m very happy with and consider myself lucky to have found. Most of the input into those practices is coming from friends who’ve got a lot of knowledge and experience in these areas, and the answers to the questions I have here aren’t going to come from anyone on Barbelith. (In fact, a lot of the answers aren’t going to come from anyone but me, but that’s another matter).
I put “magick” in scare quotes above as I share your dissatisfaction with it as a term and category, and agree that frequently it’s a label people (usually men – doom laden young men) give themselves to feel a bit special. I’ve got some really interesting insights into all this from the Reichian stuff which I’ll post later. Insofar as my interest in “the occult” goes, I’m interested in it in terms of it’s meaning as “hidden” – and to me the “hidden” stuff is the stuff that we don’t want to look at, the bits we don’t want to examine, this includes stuff like character armour, our neurosis, hang-ups and much more besides.
However, I don’t want to discount the immense excitement that getting turned onto “the occult”, these ideas and practices can bring, It’s just when you start identifying as a magician and using this as an excuse to continue your alienated wankerhood that it’s a problem. (Not saying that all self-identified magicians are like this. But a few are). Practises can open you up to all kinds of new and exciting experiences – the breaking down of “character armour” and conditioning in the broadest sense – but taking it to that next level beyond this “fuck this is a bit weird” stage is a lot more difficult and this is precisely where other people come into the equation. I don’t want to go all Reggie Perrin on anyone but “I wouldn’t have got where I am today” without a lot of lovely people indulging my curiosity. And mostly this had been IRL, not online
I don’t really know what I’m trying to say here, so I’ll leave it and see if I can come up with a conclusion by tomorrow morning. I think though we should meet and have a chat in the flesh |
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